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February 13

Pho Keene Great

Pho Keene Great is a French & Vietnamese Bar & Restaurant, located in Keene, New Hampshire, United States. They garnered international attention when the Keene City Manger requested that they remove their temporary, internal, window sign citing that their business name was offensive name and that there were possible violation of city code.

The issue became viral when the owners of Pho Keene Great,posted an informal survey on their Facebook page asking whether their business name was offensive or not. They had approximately 97 percent of the respondents or 3400 people voting that it was not an offensive name and 117 people 3 percent, citing that it was offensive and that the sign with their business name not be allowed.

The owners of the business initiated a social media campaign and won the battle with strong support in the United States and from several countries abroad. Keene City Managers succumbed to the public pressure and admonishment.

More information pending research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhoKeeneGreat (talk • contribs) 03:35, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

The OP has been blocked for promotional username. —teb728 t c 09:36, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Upload image

Hello, I do not want to make an account. Could someone please upload the logo mentioned [1] here for me? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.13.233.190 (talk) 08:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

The place for such requests is WP:Files for upload. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I searched but i didn't know where to look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.13.233.190 (talk) 08:54, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Assistance from native English speakers

In the Robin Williams image in the Aladdin article, which caption is grammatically correct, "Initially, Robin Williams voiced Genie under the condition that his voice is not used for excessive marketing or merchandising." or "Initially, Robin Williams voiced Genie under the condition that his voice not be used for excessive marketing or merchandising."? Musicfan122 (talk) 09:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Musicfan122 the second. —teb728 t c 09:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Musicfan122 (talk) 09:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Musicfan122; if you want a little background reading on this, see subjunctive mood and English subjunctive. Sentence #1 uses the indicative mood where the subjunctive is needed; it's like saying "If he was going to do X", since "If he were going to do X" is the correct way to say it. Nyttend (talk) 23:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

wikipedia search and download

Sir hum Wikipedia pe jo bhi search karti hai usse hame print nikalne ke liye text ko copy karna padta hai aap se request hai text ko copy karne ki baje us tax ki PDF file download kar sake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushantpremee (talk • contribs) 13:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. Writing in English will give you more responses. Britmax (talk) 13:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This is the help desk for the English language Wikipedia; questions should be asked in English. If you are looking for a Wikipedia in another language, they are listed at meta:List of Wikipedias. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Timelines

Hello, I recently got asked to comment on the topic of timelines after another user had one they'd created moved to the draft space on the argument that it was a fork, so I was wondering if there are any guidelines for creating timelines (such as this one? Are they regarded as forks, or do they compliment an existing article? When and where should they be created and when and where should they be avoided? Can anyone help? Cheers in advance, This is Paul (talk) 13:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd say your best bet is WP:LISTN. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

ok cheers. This is Paul (talk) 15:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I have a question to WP:SPLIT, but is this too soon?

When visiting a page/ article. One part was WP:SPLIT, but as you look at the total size. Is it too soon to split it? If the size was between 20 to 22? And it cuts about 5 on the main page to it's t.v. show's list? I don't know if it's too soon to do that yet? Or leave it be? Tainted-wingsz (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

20 or 22 kB rps is too small to split on size concerns alone per WP:SIZERULE. There may or may not be other reasons to split, but size isn't an issue. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh? O.k. At first, I thought not all episode summaries are written in. But if only one was, out of 13 episodes, etc. Then it splits away out to a different page/ article and it sticks out for a time. Then I started to think about it earlier ago. And soon the rest of the episode summaries are blank. Then do you put it back on the main page or wait and see if its written later on? Tainted-wingsz (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Tainted-wingsz: You could probably ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga. It's likely that they've had similar situations before. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

"Jewish-American" on calendar pages

I've been seeing "Jewish-American" on calendar pages. Is this new or have I just not noticed it before? --Stuartkau (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Stuartkau: Please give an example page of what you refer to. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

1881 – Eleanor Farjeon, Jewish-English author, poet, and playwright (d. 1965) on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_13#BirthsStuartkau (talk) 02:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Stuartkau: So you are referring to date pages where listed people are described as Jewish-American (or Jewish-English in your example). "Jewish-" was added to the example two years ago by Asarelah.[2] The search insource:/Jewish-/ incategory:"Days of the year" finds 26 date pages saying Jewish-something. I don't know whether it has become more common. WP:ETHNICITY says: "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". I would also have applied this to a one-line listing which is much shorter than a lead. It could be discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

If it goes against rules and you want to remove it, I have no objection. I just thought it was useful for things like ethnic studies. Asarelah (talk) 13:19, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Just looked at February 15th page and there are 6 Jewish-something listings.Stuartkau (talk) 16:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Coming to America Edit Needed

An edit is needed on the semi-protected page of "Coming to America." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_to_America.

A sequel title of "Coming 2 America" has been given and my source is IMDB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SugaCat (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

IMDb is not a reliable source in this situation, see Citing IMDb and WP:RS/IMDB. – Teratix ₵ 23:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

How to format a sortable Wiki table

I have a table. It looks like this:

Number	Ceremony	Year	Name	Film	Category	Status	Notes	Source ( ? )
1	3rd	1929–1930	Lawrence Tibbett	The Rogue Song	Best Actor	Nominee
2	14th	1941	Orson Welles	Citizen Kane	Best Actor	Nominee
3	21st	1948	Montgomery Clift	The Search	Best Actor	Nominee
4	39th	1966	Alan Arkin	The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming	Best Actor	Nominee

I wanted to add a "heading row". So, I looked at various other articles and examples.

When I edited the above table (to add the extra "heading row" at the top), I ended up with this:

Best Actor in a Leading Role
Number	Ceremony	Year	Name	Film	Category	Status	Notes	Source ( ? )
1	3rd	1929–1930	Lawrence Tibbett	The Rogue Song	Best Actor	Nominee
2	14th	1941	Orson Welles	Citizen Kane	Best Actor	Nominee
3	21st	1948	Montgomery Clift	The Search	Best Actor	Nominee
4	39th	1966	Alan Arkin	The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming	Best Actor	Nominee

So, two "unexpected" things happened for me. (1) The columns in the new table have all been reduced in their width. How and why did that happen? Can I fix that? And (2) -- more importantly -- the new table somehow lost the sorting ability, with the up/down arrows at the top. How and why did that happen? Can I fix that? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

A header row must start with ! and not |. Your example has no sorting arrows due to this so the columns may become more narrow depending on circumstances. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks so much! That was exactly the problem! Perfect solution! Thank you! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:00, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

University School name has been legally changed - need to change article page

Hi,

I am the digital communications manager for Washington University in St. Louis school of engineering.

I need to change the name of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_University_School_of_Engineering_and_Applied_Science

The new name needs to be "James McKelvey School of Engineering"

I tried to create a new blank page, then move the old page to the new blank page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests#Uncontroversial_technical_requests

The new blank page was not approved however.

What do I need to do to simply change the title of this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Washuengineers (talk • contribs) 19:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

You first need to change your username, you have been given instructions on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done Lourdes 18:25, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:R#PLA

Regarding my former inquiry here as for the above section, can anybody provide further assistance? It is still unclear to me what exactly is supposed to be referred to by "the old term". Hoping for support--Hildeoc (talk) 20:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I would agree with the answer which you were given. The old term is the title of the redirect page. If A redirects to B, then a link which begins as a link to A will subsequently become effectively a link to B, so in that context A is the old term and B would be the new term. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thank you for commenting! Does that mean they want us to place not just category links, but also hatnotes on redirect pages as such? I tought hatnotes are supposed to be placed on target pages ...--Hildeoc (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

If you have a question regarding WP:R, the place to ask it is WT:R. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:25, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: I have now placed a corresponding cross-reference there.--Hildeoc (talk) 19:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

The phrasing at WP:R#PLA is not great, but is says adding a hatnote and a category link to the old term will make related pages easier to locate (emphasis added). The hatnote to the old term is added on the target article. From the context, it is really unclear what is meant by a category link to the old term. older ≠ wiser 20:11, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@David Biddulph and Bkonrad: I have now removed that passage with reference to this thread.--Hildeoc (talk) 21:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Why am I failing to get my friend's death listed in WIKIPEDIA!!! ???

Eliyahu1008 (talk) 23:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)ש My friend is named John Welwood & he has a whole page in WIKIPEDIA.

But I cannot get Wikipedia to tell the world he is DEAD.

What must I do?

Below are two of his many obituaries!!!

He died on January 17th, 2019.

What is wrong with WIKIPEDIA in that this entire organization seems to be fighting me in refusing to mention that JOHN IS DEAD.

Are you at WIKIPEDIA opposed to death?

What to do???

This is from BOWDOIN COLLEGE where John graduated in 1964:

John Welwood ’64 died on January 17th, 2019, in California.

(The following appeared online at lionsroar.com on January 20, 2019:)

John Welwood, a pioneer in the field of East–West psychology, has died at age 75. Welwood was the former director of the East–West Psychology program at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco and the associate editor of the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology. He is known for coining the term “spiritual bypassing” to describe the use of spiritual ideas and practices to avoid unresolved emotional and psychological challenges.

Welwood was inspired at a young age by the works of D.T. Suzuki and Alan Watts. In an interview with Buddhist Geeks, Welwood said that when he read Watts’ Psychotherapy East and West, “it blew my mind completely, and I saw my destiny right there. I felt this intersection was the most important thing I could imagine.” Welwood spent the rest of his life pondering the relationship between Buddhist awakening and growth in psychotherapy.

After years of reading about Buddhism, Welwood encountered the famous Tibetan Buddhist teacher Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche. “His consciousness was like nothing else I’d ever encountered,” Welwood said in an interview with Richard Young. Welwood became a student of Trungpa Rinpoche, and, following his instruction, began practicing meditation.

Welwood received a PhD in clinical psychology from the University of Chicago in 1974. He authored eight books, including groundbreaking works like Perfect Love, Imperfect Relationships, and Toward a Psychology of Awakening. His main specializations focused on the psychology of awakening, relationships as contemplative practice, and embodied presence.

Welwood is survived by his wife, Jennifer, and his son, Bogar Nagaraj, both of whom also teach integrated psychospiritual work.

Another obituary from OMEGA -- where John taught workshops.

We are saddened by the loss of John Welwood, a special teacher and longtime friend to Omega, who passed away on January 17th, 2019.

John Welwood, PhD, was a clinical psychologist in San Francisco and associate editor of Transpersonal Psychology.

A leading figure in transpersonal psychology and in the field of integrating Western psychology and Eastern wisdom, Welwood wrote numerous books, including Perfect Love, Imperfect Relationships: Healing the Wound of the Heart; Toward a Psychology of Awakening: Buddhism, Psychotherapy, and the Path of Personal and Spiritual Transformation; Journey of the Heart: The Path of Conscious Love; Love and Awakening: Discovering the Sacred Path of Intimate Relationship; and Ordinary Magic: Everyday Life as Spiritual Path.

Welwood’s innovative work in transpersonal psychology also emphasized integrating psychological and spiritual work, focusing on intimate relationship as a spiritual path. His book Perfect Love, Imperfect Relationships was the 2007 winner of the prestigious Books for a Better Life Award, which since its inception has honored more than 300 titles and their authors, including Jimmy Carter, Deepak Chopra, the Dalai Lama, Stephen Levine, and Thomas Moore.

A Message from Elizabeth Lesser, cofounder of Omega Over Omega’s 42 years of offering retreats and workshops, I have had the honor and pleasure of meeting and working with many of the world’s pioneering voices in psychology, science, creativity, and spirituality. But rarely did I come across someone who combined all of the above into one brilliant body of work. John Welwood—who began teaching at Omega in the 1980s—was such a person.

The author of many groundbreaking books, John taught one of Omega’s most popular and long-standing trainings for psychotherapists. John died a few days ago at the age of 75 after an illness that might have stopped someone else, but he continued to teach at Omega as recently as last fall.

Besides being an author and therapist, John was the former director of the East–West Psychology program at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco and the associate editor of the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology.

He will be missed greatly by those of us at Omega—staff and students—who knew and loved him. We offer our condolences to his wife Jennifer and his family and his global community of students, friends, and colleagues. If there’s a place where the true teachers go—those who offer wisdom with grace and humility and passion—that’s where John is!

@Eliyahu1008: Your edit history has no edits to John Welwood. Once you know how to cite the obituaries (see WP:CITE) you are welcome to add the information. 331dot (talk) 23:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done Hello @Eliyahu1008: please accept our condolences of the death of your friend. I am sorry if the Wikipedia process is not as quick as you would like: it is not a news source, so material here often lags behind. This is because the material here should be based on what has already been published in reliable, independent sources. We certainly are not opposed to listing his death, and we don't dispute it, but only when it is based on a reliable source. I found a couple of obituaries that I think should be adequate, and I have updated the article accordingly. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Typos in edit summaries

Hi, if you (or I) make a spelling mistake in an edit summary and don't notice it until after the edit is published, is there a way to correct the typo in the edit summary? Or must one go down in Wikipedia history as a poor speller? - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 23:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

There's no way to fix edits AFAIK, so your infamy would last forever (and a day). Clarityfiend (talk) 23:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Epinoia: Edit summaries cannot be changed. You can make a new dummy edit to give an edit summary concerning a former edit but this should not be done for spelling corrections. Edit summaries can be hidden with revision deletion but this is for serious issues and not spelling. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

- Thnaks!

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