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February 5

Language representing Iranian Kurd

I've been doing quite a lot of updating on Behrouz Boochani, and along the way various editors have been changing the way his name is represented in other languages. I started a discussion on the talk page, and one of the editors said that he's from the Southern Kurdish speaking area, so we have that, but since then others have added Kurdish and (recently, although it was deleted previously), Persian/Farsi. I'm trying to get consensus on the talk page as to what is best, and I wonder if anyone here has any suggestions on how to rule on this if people keep changing it without comment? Keep all three to cover all bases and hopefully not offend any sensibilities? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:02, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@Laterthanyouthink: The guideline MOS:FORLANG recommends keeping it to a single non-English name if possible. More detail is given at MOS:NICKCRUFT. Also, and this is just my suggestion, but if you can't reach a consensus with all editors on what should be in the lead sentence, maybe it should be removed altogether. After all, if someone wants to find his name in another script, both the Farsi and Sorani Wikipedia projects have articles on him. Ibadibam (talk) 04:52, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Ibadibam: Thank you - that is very helpful. I think that I'll just remove the other names altogether for now and refer to MOS:FORLANG on the talk page. As he's a Kurd, but his book was transmitted to the translator in Persian/Iranian, but we have no other guidance as to first choice, best left out altogether. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:01, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Help with article expansion

I asked the following question at the Teahouse, but felt it was more directed at new users, so I figured I could try the help desk.

I recently created an article (MarbleLympics) about a popular marble racing sport. I had no trouble finding reliable citations, but before the many I found can be relevant to the content of the article, I need help with expanding the article, so I came here. Lafayette Baguette ^talk 01:06, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, what kind of help do you want? Formatting your writing and your citations? Knowing what belongs and what doesn't? Identifying reliable sources? You've asked a question so broad that there can be tons of accurate but not particularly useful answers :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

This is only my third article, so generally just help with formatting and what's needed and what isn't in the state of my article now. Lafayette Baguette ^talk 13:23, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Peer review

I have listed Mullum Malarum for PR, but I do not know how to attract users to make comments. Is there a way? Simply asking them on their talkpages is excruciating. --Kailash29792 (talk) 05:20, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Kailash29792, what is the final objective of the peer review? Try Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force if you want a soft review. If you've just landed a million dollar jackpot at the local casino and feel that you can take on the world now, list it directly as a Featured article candidate for a brutal reality check. Lourdes 16:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Yvette Dudley-Neuman

Hello I have discovered a page about myself on the French version of Wikipedia and it’s a little out of date.

1) can it be translated and the transferred to the English Wikipedia?

2) can it be linked directly to my IMDb page https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1014726/

Thanks

Yvette Dudley-Neuman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.63.60.239 (talk) 05:40, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

108.63.60.239 Welcome to Help desk. I believe this is the FR Wikipedia article you are referencing to - see

HERE. See below

1. WP:AUTOBIO - Since you are the subject of the article, to write the article yourself is not advisable - see WP:AUTOBIO; however, you could request the article to be written by other editors - see here Wikipedia:Requested article.
2. WP:PATT - The article would be translated but you need to pay proper attribution to the original editor in FR Wikipedia - see WP:PATT. However, it is better to write the article in the article editor's own words.
3. Independent, reliable sources - Wikipedia sister sites (different languages) operate independent from each other. Thus an article has been accepted by in FR Wikipedia might not be accepted in EN (English) Wikipedia as each site has different guidelines and policies. The article "Yvette Dudley-Neuman" in FR Wikipedia does not provide any sources (inline citation) and if this is in EN Wikipedia, the article will be declined in main space. An article in EN Wikipedia needs to be supported by at least 3 independent, reliable sources of the contained claimed where by the sources talk about the subject in length and in depth and not merely passing mentioned. Sources from major newspaper will suffice and sources can be in any languages.
4. IMBD - IMBD is an user generated site, for such it can NOT be contribute to the notability of the subject.

Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 06:27, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Which ref desk?

Suppose I have a question regarding the particular cinematic techniques used in the filming of a particular movie -- does it belong on the Science desk, the Entertainment desk, or somewhere else? 2601:646:8A00:A0B3:70AE:764:63A1:67AC (talk) 07:01, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Entertainment. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:02, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Question

Hello! I am Bilal190023. Please tell me what the symbols (like [[]], {{}}, |, >, <, etc.) stand for and for what they are used in Wikipedia. Please tell me functions of all these symbols. Bilal190023 (talk) 10:06, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

See the Cheatsheet. You might also find it useful to take the WP:Adventure. Rojomoke (talk) 10:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Bilal190023 (talk) 10:12, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Need Your help

Hi,

recently my article on wikipedia got deleted by reviewer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domenico_Vacca

I want to know what I would have to do to make it live? What improvements of changes that I am supposed to do. I am confused right now. Kindly guide

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamskinner608 (talk • contribs) 11:29, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

You need to read the answers which you received on your draft, at your user talk page, and at your question at #Why yy wikipedia page got deleted abovehere. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Plagiarism at enacademic/esacademic/deacademic.com etc sites?

I came on the site http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/2121599 [actualy only the cache as the site was down at the time]. It came up in a search for the painter Flora Lion who has a very brief biog at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_Lion, but the enacademic seems to be from Wikipedia, but is much fuller than the current one. From what I know about the painter it is accurate, I'd even say scholarly, but is unattributed. I'd like to trace the original, but pasting chunks of text just lead back to http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/2121599.

Interestingly the only blog about it I could find was on plagiarism, but had no text http://esacademic.blogspot.com/2013/09/blog-post.html, and I have a feeling that the whole site and its different language versions are plagiarised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C.cohen (talk • contribs) 13:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Every previous version of any Wikipedia article is stored and accessible, and this first version of the Flora Lion article from 2006 is closely similar to the current "Academic" one. Since the latter is headed "Wikipedia" it appears that Wikipedia had it first. The Wikipedia article was drastically shortened in 2010. The "Academic" site makes no secret that it draws on Wikipedia and a range of other publications. In regard to Wikipedia there is nothing wrong with that, as our content is freely licensed for reuse: Bhunacat10 (talk), 13:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that info, I must look for earlier versions in future. The 2010 cuts are a shame, some serious research must have gone into the original as it not only includes primary material which is inaccessible unless you happen to be near Southampton, but even the secondary sources are as rare as hens' teeth. It is far from clear what the Russian sites enacademic/esacademic/deacademic.com etc are for. C.cohen (talk) 14:29, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@Bhunacat10 and C.cohen: The use is not okay. It is a copyright violation and plagiarism by the external site, which is not giving credit proper credit to the source. We (the editors) of Wikipedia) personally (not Wikipedia), own the copyright to our edits. Every edit you make at Wikipedia (that meets the threshold of originality) is owned by you, personally. Reusers must give suitable credit to us by listing the authors from the page history, or linking to the article (or providing the url so it can be navigated to) where the list of authors is obtainable from the page history, which we all agree is suitable credit under the free licenses we agree our edits are made under. (There are other requirements of reuse they are violating, e.g. they must list the free license, and instead they are claiming non-free copyright ownership over our content). The shame is that providing such suitable credit to comply with copyright is far from a heavy lift, and the owners of sites like that are unethical, law breaking scumbags. (A DMCA takedown notice can be sent for such infringing use, but only by a significant contributor to an article; I've done that a number of times for content ripped from articles I was a majority contributor to; see Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks#Non-compliance process).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:09, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for that, it's as I thought

Contacting a Wiki user

Can you contact a specific Wiki user? If yes, how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Websusanamendoza (talk • contribs) 15:54, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@Websusanamendoza: You go to their user talk page and leave a message there. See this guide I wrote for more info. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:59, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

How can I insert a tab character in the source editor?

I've noticed some places where editors have used tab characters for formatting, for example when writing out JSON for TemplateData. In the source editor, if I press the "Tab" key on my keyboard, the browser just moves the cursor from the main editing area to the Edit summary field, rather than inserting a tab character at the location of the cursor. Is there a way to insert tabs in the editor that's more convenient than just copying a tab to my clipboard and pasting it? I checked Wikipedia:Keyboard shortcuts but couldn't find anything there. Colin M (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

On a windows keyboard, number pad:

Alt+009

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:56, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Trappist the monk On my windows keyboard, you can save a key by using Alt+09, but not Alt+9.