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February 6

Help needed

Can you help me please on this thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melaniebonfonti2134 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Melaniebonfonti2134: What do you need help with? Ian.thomson (talk) 02:12, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Is there a template for audio with an image?

Is there a template like {{listen}} that includes a thumbnail image? I'm thinking about use cases like an image of a music score with a corresponding recording, or a recording of a speech with an image of the speaker. Ibadibam (talk) 04:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

This template already supports images. Ruslik_Zero 08:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Ibadibam: Take a look in the infobox here. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Ruslik0: it supports images for a custom icon, but I've tried to use it with larger images and it gets wacky. @Timtempleton: thanks, that covers some use cases. Ibadibam (talk) 22:12, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Support for music scores with MIDI is covered at Help:Score. Ibadibam (talk) 21:53, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

New Section suggestion: wiki Medical

Is there any way to suggest new features or languages to Wikipedia? I was wondering if in an effort to disseminate in depth medical knowledge and treatment protocols freely, there can be a section or language feature in the sidebar of medical diseases and concepts that is more geared towards the medical professional, something like an UpToDate that is not behind an expensive paywall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaye18 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Shaye18: Thank you for asking. A good place to start a discussion on an idea or suggestion could be the "Village Pump" (Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)). Or post on the talk page of WikiProject Medicine.

If you're interested in a project to translate medical articles into many different languages, this may interest you: WikiProject Medicine/Translation task force: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:29, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Shaye18: Note Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer: "WIKIPEDIA DOES NOT GIVE MEDICAL ADVICE". Wikipedia is a project by the Wikimedia Foundation. I don't think they will support anything which gives the impression of medical advice. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: none of the paywall ones do either, they have a disclaimer like that on the bottom

That doesn't sound like a function of an encyclopaedia, Shaye18. The Wikimedia foundation has a number of other Wikis besides Wikipedia, for different purposes. I don't think it would fit in any of those, but it is possible (though I think unlikely) they would countenance the creation of a new one. Alternatively, you could set up your own Wiki for the purpose, using a host such as Wikia. --ColinFine (talk) 19:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

ColinFine I saw after following the link to Village Pump. Thank you all!

Thomas Michael Greenhow

Ref number 8 is in red and the publisher of ref number 9 is wrong - I THINK. Please help - I have tried really hard. Sorry. I always appreciate your help. 175.33.45.21 (talk) 06:35, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done by Fuhghettaboutit. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Michael Greenhow

PLEASE HELP - I added this file from commons - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Harriet_Martineau#/media/File:Harriet_Martineau_by_Richard_Evans.jpg

But it is way too large. Please add as the caption the following - Greenhow controversially published the gynecological details of his sister-in-law Harriet Martineau in 1847 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.33.45.21 (talk) 08:53, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Fixed, if you don't specify a size for the image then it comes out super large. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:01, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add to the very bottom of this page (Category) the link "English surgeons " - this is what the subject of this page was. Thanks again 175.33.45.21 (talk) 09:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Michael Greenhow

The first line in the "career" section should have a capital "U" for Edinburgh university. I cannot fix - please do it if you can. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

This has been fixed by another editor who corrected the link. Eagleash (talk) 01:47, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

How many more times do you need to be told not to keep generating new section headings with the same name as an existing section? I have moved your later sections into the previous section with the same name. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Yanet García

This article has been deleted in 2016 after discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yanet García) at it is only a gossip sheet which has only one link to a B-movie where she has a very small guest-role. In 2017, it was recreated without further justification and should be deleted again as this person has no place in an Encyclopedia.

How do I proceed as the discussion on the subject has been used in 2016?

Pierre cb (talk) 07:15, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Tag it with {{G4}}. Ruslik_Zero 07:59, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Pierre cb (talk) 17:35, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

PERANBU: Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Why is this appearing for Peranbu page?

There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by New indian express (talk • contribs) 09:45, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@New indian express: You have added a superfluous empty pair of 'ref' tags at the top of the article here: Special:Diff/882024270

Fixed: Special:Diff/882026346. --CiaPan (talk) 10:11, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Idiot has edited a page.

Samuel Wilson[2] (born 4 April 1953) is a gammon from Northern Ireland who is a Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) Member of Parliament (MP) for East Antrim.

Clearly "a gammon" is the work of an idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.43.186.92 (talk) 13:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Sammy Wilson (politician) was vandalized, but has now been repaired. Thank you for reporting the problem. Deli nk (talk) 13:25, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Unhelpful attitute of editors

Hello, I recently starting editing my first article ('Sherborne School') and have had one editor put COI and POV notices on it and another undo an image change, both without clear reasoning or explanation despite my polite requests on their talk pages.

I have made it clear that I have no connection with the school and am editing unpaid. I just read a book on the school and noticed that the article was tagged for missing citations so thought I would put those right, tidy it up and add a few other noteworthy facts.

In terms of the image, it seems the original image was made by the objecting editor so perhaps he feels attached to it, however it is in the incorrect colour.

As someone with a doctorate in History I understand the process of peer review and welcome the suggestions of others, particularly as I am a novice editor. However taking actions against my edits without providing clear reasons feels an awful lot like bullying to me.

I think that's it for my Wikipedia editing career; I had expected higher editorial standards. However I just thought someone should know. Fuseemusee (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Fuseemusee: I see your point with the image/logo - it does seem other sources using it have it in the colour you uploaded, rather than monochrome, although I am certainly not qualified to judge what is right/wrong. Perhaps you should express your desire to change it on the article talk page and allow anyone else to make a contribution/expression of opinion? If you don't get (m)any replies, you could take it to WP:RFC if you feel strongly enough about it. The COI tags are not too surprising for a new user account that makes nearly all of their initial edits on a specific article. I haven't looked through the edits in any great detail, but you could ask on the placing editor's talk page which parts they consider(ed) COI so you can remedy? Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:24, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Bungle: Thank you Bungle for your thoughtful reply. I note that you share my impression about the logo colour. Unfortunately that editor only issues threats and does not seem to engage in discussion. Frankly I am not that bothered and was just trying to do the right thing. I had not realised Wikipedia was such an adversarial and subjective editorial environment. I think my best course is to just stop editing. Fuseemusee (talk) 09:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@Fuseemusee: Not a problem. It'd be a shame if you were put off editing by what is a disheartening experience, although civil discussion on concerns with interested/involved parties can be fruitful when done respectfully. I don't think this is necessarily extreme enough to consider WP:DISPUTE, but rather consensus through WP:RFC from uninvolved parties would be perhaps a preferred approach to take. Give anyone involved the opportunity to express their own reasoning (on the talk page), and if you disagree or can't see reasonable weight in the argument then you can request comments from others. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@Fuseemusee: One of our basic methods for collaboration is called bold-revert-discuss: wee WP:BRD. It can seem like bullying to a new editor, but it is not intended that way. You correctly tried to open a discussion. give the other editors another day or two to respond, and if they do not, re-introduce your edits. You may have fallen victim to a snap judgement by a high-volume vandalism fighter. Those guys sometimes suffer combat fatigue and make mistakes. You might also wish to centralize your discussion by opening a new section on the article's talk page and "pinging" the other editors there, by adding {{ping|otheruser}} to that section. If you cannot resolve this by consensus, proceed to WP:DISPUTE -Arch dude (talk) 16:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thank you Arch dude for your kind reply. 'Combat fatigue' strikes me as a very telling phrase for what is clearly an adversarial environment in which threats and woolly objections have predominated my first editing experience. It is also my last; I am used to higher standards of debate in the search for objective truth.Fuseemusee (talk) 09:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

page cancellation

Hello, kindly you can delete the page of this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domenico_Morgante because the Italian version has already been deleted and keeping four lines of the English version does not make sense. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inutile74 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

The English article once had 34 references until most were deleted. I've not checked the quality of all those references. Possibly they were removed for a good reason? Deletion of an Italian article would not automatically cause an English article to be removed. Could you tell us the reason for wanting deletion? Dbfirs 15:39, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

The size of the article as short stub is no reason for deletion, as long as the topic is encyclopedic and available sources are sufficient to establish "notability" in Wikipedia's sense of the term (WP:GNG, WP:BIO). I have no opinion on the specific case, just noting the general handling of such short articles on en-Wiki (of course other Wikis may have differing guidelines). GermanJoe (talk) 15:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Reply - Why on January 27, 2019 the user Driante70 has deleted most of the contents of the page? What's the motivation? What sources for such cacellations? Can anyone cancel what he wants? How can I protect the contents of the page?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.233.133.211 (talk) 14:48, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

La voce https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domenico_Morgante è stata cancellata ripetutamente su Wikipedia italiana perché il soggetto in questione ha inventato di sana pianta il suo curriculum (nulla di quello che è scritto in biografia è vero, tranni rari casi). E' stato dimostrato che hai mai avuto un diploma di conservatorio né di organo né di clavicembalo, è stato un semplice uditore di lezioni di Tagliavini e altri. Su YouTube si vanta di aver suonato musiche di Insanguine ma che sono semplici MIDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsPJg_8Oi2o). Molti dei link riportano a quotidiani gratuiti di città che non sono enciclopedici.Driante70 (talk) 17:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Translation: The entry it:Domenico Morgante has been repeatedly deleted on Italian Wikipedia because the subject in question has invented his curriculum vitae (nothing of what is written in the biography is true, rare cases ). It has been shown that you have never had a conservatory or organ or harpsichord diploma, he was a simple auditor of Tagliavini and other lessons. On YouTube he prides himself on playing music by Insanguine but that are simple MIDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsPJg_8Oi2o). Many of the links report to free newspapers in cities that are not encyclopedic. —teb728 t c 20:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Reply - Dimostrato da chi? Proven by whom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inutile74 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@Driante70: @Inutile74: Please post responses in English, so other editors can contribute more easily to the discussion. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Mi piacerebbe scrivere in inglese ma non riuscirei a farmi spiegare meglio. La voce di Morgante in italiano è stata cancellata credo 6 o 7 volte in questi anni (e ripetutamente inserita senza criteri validi). Il suo sito riporta nel curriculum molte cose false poiché non egli ha nessun diploma di conservatorio né di Bari né di Monopoli e né di organo né di clavicembalo. Ha solamente ascoltato alcune lezioni come uditore di importanti interpreti, è come se io avessi seguito una lezione come uditore di Leonhardt e mi fregiassi di essere un suo allievo (è surreale). Non c'è un solo disco di Morgante, una sola registrazione online. Vi ho mandato un link su YouTube dove il brano dovrebbe essere suonato da Morgante al cembalo e invece è un MIDI synth creato con i programmi di trascrizione musicale (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsPJg_8Oi2o). Su quella pagina c'è scritto "Registrazione effettuata nel febbraio 1995 in occasione del Bicentenario della morte di Giacomo Insanguine (Monopoli, 1728 - Napoli, 1795)". Tutto ciò è ridicolo, una farsa, una presa in giro. Sfido chiunque ad ammettere il contrario, questa è una vera bufala maldestra. Ritornando alla questione primaria: le parti che avevo lasciato nella voce inglese erano le uniche con fonti accertate. Ha scritto alcune voci enciclopediche di Berchem (un compositore italo-fiammingo del Seicento attivo a Monopoli, città di Morgante). Nel calderone sono state inserite numerose fonti terze come L'Eco del Sud Est. E' un giornaletto a tiratura comunale gratis, non si sta parlando di una vera e propria testata. L'Organ Academy "Giacomo Insanguine" of Monopoli non esiste (io abito a Monopoli proprio come Morgante).Driante70 (talk) 08:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Reply - I respect the rules, and I reply in English, as requested by the administrators. I asked you who demonstrates what you say, not to repeat the same words. The entries of the corresponding italian page have been deleted by you, the request for a definitive cancellation of the page has been requested by you, therefore the only source (and I don't know how authoritative) is you. I think that, before deleting again all the content of this page, you must wait for the comments and the contributions of other users who perhaps have different (and more authoritative) information of you.

Io, rispetto il regolamento, e mi faccio capire in inglese, come richiesto dagli amministratori.Le ho chiesto da chi è dimostrato ciò che afferma, non di ripetermi le stesse sue affermazioni.Le voci della corrispondente pagina in italiano sono state cancellate da lei, la richiesta di cancellazione definitiva della pagina è stata richiesta da lei, quindi l'unica fonte (e non so quanto autorevole) è lei.Non le pare il caso, prima di cancellare nuovamente tutto il contenuto di questa pagina, di aspettare i commenti ed i contributi di altri utenti che forse hanno informazioni differenti (e più autorevoli) delle sue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inutile74 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Guarda che io non ho chiesto la cancellazione su Wikipedia inglese, un utente mi ha mandato un messaggio invitandomi a parlarne qui. La voce, così come è stata ripulita, potrebbe pure andare bene. Non è corretto dire che la voce è stata cancellata da me quando era stata più volte eliminata da Utente:Vituzzu per Contenuto palesemente non enciclopedico o promozionale, da Utente:Soprano71 e da Utente:Burgundo. Un motivo ci sarà? L'unica fonte, allo stato attuale, è il sito ufficiale di Morgante e le sto ripetendo che molte delle informazioni lì riportate sono false, è un curriculum pompato, autopromozionale e mendace. Non ha MAI insegnato al Conservatorio di Campobasso ma nemmeno a quello di Monopoli, tantomeno all'Università di Bari. Ho tentato invano di trovare dei riscontri nei siti istituzionali ma non c'è traccia. Uno potrebbe dire benissimo di aver studiato con Abbado, Harnoncourt, Muti in un sito privato ma se in giro non c'è un solo link o fonte terza che lo attesta, potrebbero essere inventate di sana piante e le sto dicendo pure che lui non è mai stato allievo di Leonhardt e nemmeno di Tagliavini. Qual è il problema, dobbiamo stabilire se sia un clavicembalista o un organista di fama mondiale? Non lo è il sig. Morgante, non c'è uno straccio di CD audio che lo conferma. Le ho mandato un link di YouTube dove, se lei ha la premura di ascoltarlo, potrà notare che è un file MIDI e non una registrazione al clavicembalo di Morgante. La sua attività, com'è anche confermata guardando su Google Libri, è unicamente quella di storico-musicologo (per lo più locale).Driante70 (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Translation: Look, I did not request cancellation on English Wikipedia, a user sent me a message inviting me to talk about it here. The entry, as it has been cleaned up, could well be fine. It is not correct to say that the item was deleted by me when it had been repeatedly deleted by User: Vituzzu for Content that is clearly not encyclopaedic or promotional, by User: Soprano71 and by User: Burgundo. There will be a reason? The only source, at present, is the official website of Morgante and I am repeating that many of the information reported here are false, it is a pumped, self-promotional and mendacious curriculum. He has NEVER taught at the Conservatory of Campobasso but not even that of Monopoly, much less at the University of Bari. I tried in vain to find some feedback on the institutional sites but there is no trace. One could say very well that he studied with Abbado, Harnoncourt, Muti in a private site but if there is not a single link or third source that attests it, they could be invented of healthy plants and I'm telling you that he is not never been a student of Leonhardt or of Tagliavini. What is the problem, do we have to determine whether it is a world-renowned harpsichordist or organist? Mr. is not Morgante, there is not a shred of audio CD that confirms it. I sent you a YouTube link where, if you are interested in listening to it, you will notice that it is a MIDI file and not a recording of Morgante's harpsichord. His activity, as also confirmed by looking on Google Books, is solely that of historian-musicologist (mostly local).79.49.0.149 (talk) 15:09, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Drafts

How do I save a draft without publishing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drken1 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Push the button that says "Publish changes". Be aware that drafts are visible to anyone who knows how to find them, but they aren't indexed by Google. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:48, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Sister project

As I was looking for the same thing with respect to the transclusion in that section, I would like to draw attention to this inquiry by Czar. Additionally, I wanted to ask why exactly it says "Do not place this template in a section containing columns." here.--Hildeoc (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

King 810

How do I insert the correct pronunciation for King 810, which I have added to the article? Please {{ping}} me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I see that you have now added the pronunciation, and I think the way you have done it is clear (better than trying to use IPA in this case). Dbfirs 07:55, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Reply - @Dbfirs:, you forgot to ping me when you responded. Avril Lavigne has a pronunciation in the lead of her article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Jax 0677, that's because she's French and not everyone knows how to pronounce the surname. I think all readers will know how to pronounce "king" and the numbers, so IPA would be a bit over the top. Many readers struggle to interpret IPA. Dbfirs 14:29, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Alma mater

Why can’t you use a normal phrase such as education instead of a pompous Latin phrase such as alma Mater. To the majority it makes no sense Kindest regards Julie Moody — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.6.134 (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

We have an article Alma mater, so the solution is to link to that article so that anyone who has not seen the term before can read about it. If you think it has been misused somewhere, please let us know in which article so that we can check. Dbfirs 07:52, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I think this is a valid point, and quite likely arose from seeing the term in an infobox. I made this link in the label in Infobox academic, but was unable to do the same in other widely used infoboxes such as person, scientist, artist, writer etc. because full-protection. Is there a way to request this minor edit on many infoboxes without having to place a separate edit request on many template talk pages?: Bhunacat10 (talk), 12:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Bhunacat10: Start a discussion (not an edit request) at {{Infobox person}}, since many templates (like {{Infobox scientist}}) are "wrapper" templates that use Infobox person inside them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:42, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Alternatively we could substitute "Alm mater" for a simpler phrase such as "Education" or "Studied at" — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

But only if we can reconcile such debates as those at Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 33 #Use of "Alma mater" and Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 30 #Education and Alma Mater. --RexxS (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:DYK talk

How come the link "Check views" in Template:DYK talk transclusions don't work?--Hildeoc (talk) 21:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Hildeoc: Template:DYK talk is transcluded in 86779 pages. The link works on some pages, is broken on some pages, and isn't present on some pages. Please always give an example when you report an issue. https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews has data starting July 2015. For dates since then there should be a working link to that tool. For some earlier dates there is a broken link to http://stats.grok.se, a tool which has often switched between working and failing but I haven't seen a working article link for a long time. I don't know a working tool with data before July 2015. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks a lot! Yes, those transclusions using http://stats.grok.se are exactly what I was referring to.--Hildeoc (talk) 22:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Wrong redirect

Hi, i just detected a completely wrong redirect. If you search for the "Wilhelm-Hack-Museum" - which is a quite wellknown museum in germany - you get redirected to the town of Ludwigshafen. The museum is situated there, but the redirect is wrong because the article is on the city and not on the museum. What to do? --Gyanda (talk) 21:56, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Gyanda: It's not wrong. If a subject does not have its own article then it often redirects to an article with some information about it. Wilhelm-Hack-Museum redirects to the section Ludwigshafen#Culture which has a paragraph about the museum. It's possible to change the redirect to an article. See Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or convert it into an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, now i get it :-). Kind regards! --Gyanda (talk) 22:18, 6 February 2019 (UTC)