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July 12

Changed terminology of paragraph

In the page for The Porcelain Fat Lady, I changed the following paragraph from:

"The story might be a story about the regime in Chile (with Pinochet as dictator). And at the same time, the story is written when Isabel Allende got a divorce from her first husband in 1973, and because of that it's understandable, that she writes a story about the main character Don Cornelio, who lives a monotonous life (just like she did while she was married)."

to:

"The story might be an allegory of the Pinochet regime in Chile. At the same time, the story was written when Isabel Allende got a divorce from her first husband in 1973, which may have inspired the monotonous life of protagonist Don Cornelio (like that of Allende while she was married)."

Could anyone please tell me if this was a good execution, and if "might" should be replaced with "may"?--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

You've definitely improved those two sentences (I've no opinion on whether "might" or "may" is better there). But there is a problem. Those two sentences, indeed the whole section which they constitute, are unreferenced. They are the opinion (no doubt an entirely reasonable opinion) of the editor who wrote them. That makes them "original research", which policy says has no place in Wikipedia. There is a risk that someone will some day delete them as unreferenced. This could be avoided by finding and citing a reliable independent source which expresses that opinion about the motivation for the story. Maproom (talk) 07:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, and thanks. I'll add "citation needed".--Thylacine24 (talk) 14:40, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit: I fixed the italics around The Porcelain Fat Lady.--Thylacine24 (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Was this preposition change correct?

In the article "Religion in Rome", I changed the following sentence in the Christianity section from:

"Papal authority has been exercised over the centuries with varying degrees of success, at times triggering divisions among Christians, until the present."

to:

"Papal authority has been exercised over the centuries with varying degrees of success, at times triggering divisions among Christians, to the present."

Could anyone please tell me if this was correct? Also, I split the paragraph this was in (right after this sentence, in fact), but since it was already single-spaced on the edit page, I think was okay. (Still, if anyone here thinks I was wrong to do so, then could you please tell me?)--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:46, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I think your change of preposition, and splitting of the paragraph, were both improvements. ("until" may be understood as implying that this changed very recently; "to" implies no change.) Maproom (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, I left out a "citation needed" which was at the end of this sentence, though I didn't remove it from the article itself.--Thylacine24 (talk) 14:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Z Suby

Sreehari Subhash known professionally as Z suby is an professional music producer and an inspiring musician he was born in bangalore,india and had moved to australia when he was 12. his music career begin when he was twelve. distrokid a record label or a music platform had supported sreehari to come up. he released his first album "zelectronic" which wasn't successful but after a few months he released his first single short beat which made it to spotify, aplle music and other musical sites his sings made to the 20'th position in BB2 ember nivel's a music producers playlist which includes micheal jakson, jennifer lopez and other successful artist his age currently is 12 and has a lot to be successful he is still working on his music now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suby2407 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

If your question is whether you can or should create an article about yourself in Wikipedia, {{|U|Suby2407}}, then I'm afraid the answer is a resounding No! Many people have an entirely mistaken idea that Wikipedia has anything whatever to do with promoting themselves or their concerns. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which contains neutrally-written articles about notable subjects, based almost entirely on what people unconnected with a subject have chosen to publish about that subject. If at some point we have an article about you, it will not be your article, you will have no control over its contents (though you will be encouraged to suggest improvements to it) and little of it should derive from what you say or publish, but only from what people write about you. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:PROUD for more. --ColinFine (talk) 11:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I think you meant to ping, Suby2407, but it looks like it did not work, so this reply should ping Suby2407. OkayKenji ^{(talk page)} 15:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

/* "The Australian Sensation" Craven */

Hi,

I am writing due to the fact that user Addicted4517 keeps deleting links I am providing as proof. I am trying to link to match footage videos as proof of the matches that are being referenced. I am the owner of the company that filmed them, as well as the owner of the footage itself This is irrefutable proof that Craven is a wrestler, and as the owner of the copyright to the footage I am legally allowed to use it as a source.

I think Addicted4517 has a vendetta against certain companies, due to their not being a fan of them. That is a personal feeling and belief, and is therefore not in keeping with the nature of wikipedia, which like all encyclopaedias is based on fact not personal emotions.

I request that this user be stopped from their crusade of trying to undermine the professional wrestlers they do not like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Generic (talk • contribs) 03:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@Adam Generic:, hi, your question has been answered over at your talk page. If you need further help please {{ping|OkayKenji}} me.OkayKenji ^{(talk page)} 22:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Page

I don’t think I have seen a more bullshit article in my life. Do you only let communist edit article? I served my people proud for 3 terms and some how that’s not important? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1014:B105:D4A1:D0DB:E0CA:FDA3:8F74 (talk) 03:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

This may be about Jake_Highfill which the IP editor edited recently. RudolfRed (talk) 05:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I have deleted the second paragraph from Jake_Highfill, as lacking context. Maproom (talk) 07:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

How to upload an actress image for her bio

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketki_Kadam

This is the actress Wikipedia page

https://i.imgur.com/fJ2oVVD.jpg And this is her picture that I want to upload — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anu1999 (talk • contribs) 08:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Please help so that this pic gets uploaded — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anu1999 (talk • contribs) 08:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello Anu1999! The answer is that you don't. Almost all images you randomly find on the net is copyrighted, and so can't be used. People, including you, can upload/"donate" their own work, more at [1] and Wikipedia:Image use policy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång But it's not from internet ,it's from Instagram and I have uploaded it myself and even the actress won't have a problem because she is a friend of mine and I am doing this to improve her page ! If I can't upload a image of hers then you find a image that will abide the rules and upload it .

https://instagram.com/me_ketki_kadam?igshid=22dszelt49me

Select from here any picture that will suit her profile.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anu1999 (talk • contribs) 08:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC) 

(edit conflict) @Anu1999: The copyright lies with whoever took the picture. If this was not yourself then you will have to obtain the photographer's permission and provide evidence of this. See WP:UPIMG for more information. Wikipedia takes copyright seriously and any violations will likely quickly be removed. Please do not make demands for edits. If you want an image then it is up to you to do the work necessary to include one. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@Anu1999: To make sure we have not all confused each other, I'll summarize. Instagram is on the Internet. If you took the picture, then you are the copyright holder of the picture, otherwise not. If you are the copyright holder, then you may upload it and license it to us according to copyright law. We do no want and do not need permission from the subject. Start by getting the picture onto your own computer. Then, click on the "upload file" link in the left-hand column on any page (such as the page you are on now) and follow the instructions. When you get to the part about copyright, claim it as your own work. At the end of those instructions, you will have uploaded the image, and the instructions then tell you (tersely) how to add the image to the Wikipedia file. If you get confused, please come back here. -Arch dude (talk) 16:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

To restore information

In course of editing Dr. Shamsheer's article I wiped off major part of the article. Please! anyone restore that. Thanks. (223.230.132.12 (talk) 10:59, 12 July 2019 (UTC))

 Fixed Several edits over the last two days disrupted the article: all have been reverted, the latest by Dbfirs. Eagleash (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I added a vandalism warning on the talk page of 223.230.132.12 because a repeated edit summary of "added content" when in fact content and references were removed certainly looks like vandalism. If it was not deliberate, then please be more careful with edits, and perhaps put an explanation on your talk page so that others do not think that you are a vandal. Dbfirs 11:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@Dbfirs: Thanks. This seems very likely to be the same editor who has made multiple requests for edits at Shamsheer Vayalil over the past few weeks. (Same IP range; geolocates same area). Eagleash (talk) 11:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I've just done the same research and come to the same conclusion. I left a further note on the talk page. Dbfirs 11:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

See also the section above here about reliability of Wikipedia. Eagleash (talk) 11:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd missed that connection. Interesting in view of valuable time. Dbfirs 11:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Editing help

I need to edit my company's wikipedia page to edit the title of the company name as we have recently rebranded and dropped the second half of our old name. So far i cannot find anywhere that gives me advice on how to resolve this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KonditorIntern (talk • contribs) 11:14, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, KonditorIntern. The information you need is on WP:COI and WP:PAID. In short: first read those pages, and make the declarations required, then post a request on the talk page of the article about the company (note, that it is Wikipedia's article about the company, it is not "the company's Wikipedia page"). Please include a reference to a published source that documents that change. If you attach the template {{edit request}} (including the double curly brackets) to your request, then somebody will be along to make the change to the article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:31, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I've moved the article for you, but please do not try to erase all trace of the "Cook" part which was retained for 25 years. Please make the necessary declarations about your WP:PAID status as an intern. Are you the only intern at the company? If there are others, then you should change your username to a personal one. Dbfirs 11:51, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

You might also like to update the website at 30stmaryaxe.info], though this has no connection with Wikipedia. Dbfirs 16:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata and Google search engine

(Sorry for my bad English!) Please search to "Duhok" on Google and read below to understand me.

Hello everyone, Does Google search engine take data from Wikidata? Let me explain! Someone search (on Google) to "Duhok" and see "Azadi panorama" in the side box instead of the name article on enwiki! And i noticed the same name (Azadi panorama) on wikidata. However, i am fixed the label text to "Duhok" (the name of the article) 15 days ago, but it didn't updated to Duhok from google result yet! Do Wikidata and Google search engine related to each other? Thanks ⇒ AramTalk 13:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aram (talk • contribs)

@Aram:Yes, we have noticed that Google uses the "short description" from Wikidata, although we have no control over Google. You can edit Wikidata. I have no opinion of what the correct short description would be, as I have not researched it. -Arch dude (talk) 17:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Arch dude, Duhok is correct! However, can you give me a link or a smart username link on wikidata to ask them (Wikidata project)? Thanks! ⇒ AramTalk 17:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Arch dude, I'm fairly sure Google use wikidata to some extent, they may use something completely different. Consider using the "feedback" link on the google search-page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, meant to ping @Aram:. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Arch dude and Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Wow! I am searched to "Duhok" on Google again and saw! It is updated to my edit (the above link) on Wikidata. I'm understood that Google texts related to Wikidata updated every edits on Wikidata after two weeks (about 15 days). Just i have one question... Are you edit anything to update it? Now try to search Duhok to see the update. Thank you both! ⇒ AramTalk 10:14, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

RevisionDelete

Hi Guys looking to delete the below or make it invisible , please help?

Chukyo University: Revision history

curprev 12:21, 12 July 2019‎ 80.169.172.178 talk‎ 2,849 bytes -33‎ →‎Notable students undo curprev 12:20, 12 July 2019‎ 80.169.172.178 talk‎ 2,882 bytes +33‎ →‎Notable students undo — Preceding unsigned comment added by The hiddenlee (talk • contribs)

Conv. link: Chukyo University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Please explain more fully. It just looks like a standard bit of 'test-editing' which was immediately removed. It is visible in the page history but not in the article itself. There seems little harm done and just because it is a bit disruptive that is not a reason to 'revdel' it. Not defamatory not a copyright violation. Eagleash (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

there is a name present in the initially editing which all users can view in the page history, that name is affiliated with Chukyo University and the party hasn't given consent for their name to be published. the thrid party is a freind of mine and feels very uncomfortable with her name visible in the page history — Preceding unsigned comment added by The hiddenlee (talk • contribs) 15:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Revision deletion

need help with Revision deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by The hiddenlee (talk • contribs) 15:16, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

See above. General Ization ^Talk 15:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Without your intervention, it's unlikely that anyone would ever have noticed your friend's name in the article history. You're not doing your friend any favours by drawing attention to it here. Maproom (talk) 22:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Turning a draft into an article

Hello. I need help to turn the following draft to an article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tal_Svoray

This is a translation of the article about the same guy from the hebrew wikipedia, as you can see Here.

132.72.152.176 (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, the biggest drawback is that the page seemingly contains no references. Please see WP:BLP; unreferenced biographies of living persons will not be considered for inclusion in the encyclopedia. If you do not know how to do this, please see WP:REFB for a guide on adding references. In the meantime I have unlinked dates (see WP:OLINK) and added ndashes to year ranges. When you consider the page to be ready for mainspace I.e. it is sufficiently well-sourced, you can add {{subst:submit}} (incl. the brackets) to the top of the mark-up, which will submit the page for review. Eagleash (talk) 18:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

shick razors

How can you advertise this product and have little girls see it and think its ok to take scissors to their private parts. Its disgusting and needs to be taken off.2601:82:C201:2DC0:D026:1526:EC03:4BDE (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not advertise any products; Wikipedia is not censored for any reason, see WP:NOTCENSORED. If you object to certain article or text, you should avoid reading it. The internet use of children should be supervised by their parents or guardians. 331dot (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

This is not the Web page to give feedback to the company that produces Schick razors. Try https://www.schick.com/us/en/help?uniqueCode=contactUs . General Ization ^Talk 15:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Our article on Schick (razors) has no advertising and no images. I think you must have seen something on Google and been misled by what Google puts together. Google often shows images from elsewhere together with text from Wikipedia. Dbfirs 16:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles Not Indexed After 90 Days?

3 months ago, I wrote 5 Wikipedia articles. One was reviewed in less than a month, the other 4 (as far as I can tell) were never reviewed so weren't indexed by Google or other search engines. I read all the Wikipedia content on this issue that I could find, and it appeared to say that unreviewed articles will automatically have the 'no index' tag removed after 90 days, but now that 90 days has gone by, the articles are still not being indexed.

Is there something I need to add (or remove) from articles I have written in order for them to be available for indexing? I can't figure out what's wrong. Here is the first one I wrote: Nicholas Hogg. Thank you for your help. Lilipo25 (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Even after being patrolled, articles can take some time to get indexed on google. I've reviewed the one you liked to. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!Lilipo25 (talk) 16:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@Lilipo25: You created Matthew Parker (author) and The Day That Went Missing: A Family's Story 20 April, 83 days ago. They still have the noindex html tag telling external search engines to not index them. It should be removed automatically in a week. We don't control how long after that they will be indexed by Google and other search engines. The three other articles allow indexing and are already indexed by Google. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you - Nicholas Hogg and Thomas Penn (historian) actually weren't indexed by Google until about two hours ago. Google indexed them within minutes after Lee Vilenski reviewed them. I know Wikipedia doesn't control search engine indexing; I just thought maybe I had done something wrong with the articles that was keeping them from being indexed because the 90 days had passed on the first few and they weren't picked up, but it must just have more to do with whether or not they've been reviewed than with the removal of the noindex tag. Lilipo25 (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I think Google monitors our recent changes. Lee Vilenski also edited the pages. This may have caused Google to revisit the pages and discover they no longer had noindex. An automatic removal of noindex after 90 days does not create a log entry Google can notice. It's also possible Google monitors our logs. A review does create a log entry. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

The logs could be it - I hadn't thought of that. Maybe Google and other search engines access articles once a log is posted saying it's been reviewed. Which leaves me wondering: do all new articles eventually get reviewed? Or is it possible for an article to just stay on Wikipedia indefinitely without ever being reviewed by anyone? Thank you for your help. Lilipo25 (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

I need help creating an account.

Because I tried creating one, but I can't really read the captcha because of my bad eyesight and now the site is preventing me from making one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.134.158 (talk) 18:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

See help here: CAPTCHA help. You can request an account to be created here: Wikipedia:Request an account – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

About that, I really don't feel like waiting for 4 months. Mainly because nearly every other website that I've been on does this automatically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.134.158 (talk) 19:40, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

The Foundation have been aware of the problems creating accounts faced by people with sight loss for 13 years. They have recently said they hope to have a solution in the next 3 to 5 years. DuncanHill (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Wow, that is some backlog. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

You can request an account be created for you here. Be aware there is a backlog, so it will be some time before you receive your credentials. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

resolved problems with "Encounter Point" Wikipedia page - please update

Hello,

I'm writing because I've just edited the wikipedia page for "Encounter Point" (here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_Point). There were several problems with the page, including that the page did not cite sources, and also that it sounded like an argumentative essay. These have been resolved. I would like for Wikipedia editors to verify that these have been resolved and then, if possible, to remove the warning "this article has multiple issues" at the top of the Encounter Point film Wikipedia page. Please let me know if this is possible.

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.254.50 (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

The referencing is much improved and the tag could probably be removed. I have added a refs section. However, the external links throughout the page need to be removed and you link to other Wikipedia pages as follows [[Page name]] with a pipe where necessary. E.g. you would pipe thus: [[Davy Jones (musician)|Davy Jones]] to render just the name on the page but have the link go to the correct Wiki page. Also only link once to the same page after the lead... lists and tables usually have an additional link.

I think there are still some POV issues that need to be addressed though. This is often a contentious area and not one I'm involved with, so (for me) I would not recommend removing the tag just yet. Would welcome other opinions though. Eagleash (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Also see WP:EL. I've hatnoted it accordingly. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:51, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Should "indigenous" be capitalized?

The template for "International Indigenous and minority rights" has, as I have written here, the word "Indigenous" with its first letter capitalized. Could anyone please tell me if this is correct?--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: According to this, in Canada you want to capitalize the term Indigenous Peoples as a sign of respect. [[2]]. Same for Australia [[3]]. To err on the side of caution, you're better off capitalizing it than not. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:46, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Is it all right to edit a help desk post?

Sometimes I screw up the phrasing, grammar, or punctuation* in these things, or forget to sign. Could anyone please tell me if it's it all right if I edit them without adding something to the effect of "Note: I edited this"?

• I'm not sure if I've ever screwed up on spelling in the help desk posts (though I certainly have elsewhere), though I probably will one day or another. Sorry if this footnote comes off as boastful.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: You can certainly correct or otherwise alter your own posts. Not really necessary to state the fact. It is seen as less than good practice to alter another editor's though. Eagleash (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for telling me.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:23, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thylacine24 see WP:REDACT, basically avoid it after someone has replied. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thylacine2 The codes <del>...</del> or more simply <s>...</s> placed around your original text works if you want to change your comment after someone has replied, but keep the original, so they don't look like they missed the point. I do this on AfD where I voted one way, and someone else convinced my I was wrong, and then I struck and voted differently, just to be totally transparent. You also see this a lot in RfA requests for adminship. 23:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)}

​If the issue is only about correcting straightforward "phrasing, grammar, or punctuation", then you can go ahead and edit them without adding something; however, if your edit affects the context or character of the conversation, better do what Tim suggests above. Lourdes 05:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)