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November 27

Wikipedia validation review.

Hello,

Thank you to take the time to read my help. I would like to know how can I improve the timing review for my draft? I don't find the Help or request my review on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jaya_House_Hotels#Jaya_House_Hotel

Thank you, Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeoffroyFrancois (talk • contribs) 06:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Your draft is in the queue for review. It says: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,584 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Please create my user page for me.

Please create my userpage for me (User:71.201.47.203). I want it to say '''This is the user page for the IP 71.201.47.203.''' I will probably be the only constructive IP editor you know. :) Thanks!!!! 71.201.47.203 (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

You can do this yourself. Just click on the red link and start typing.

We have many constructive IP editors. Dbfirs 16:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) I have a few remarks, 71.201.47.203. First of all, I see that all edits under your IP address occured today, so it is not guaranteed that you will keep that address for future edits (your internet service provider may rotate an IP address pool among its customers - see DHCP for the technical details). That is one of the reason we encourage you to create an account.

Adding to the above, your sentence is not supported by my personal experience, nor by the data I am aware of (WP:IPDIS cites figures from 2007 showing that IP non-vandalism edits are ~30% of total edits and IP vandalism edits ~6% of total edits, so most edits are IP are good-faith and a significant fraction of good-faith edits are made by IP editors). I will not create that page for you. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Dbfirs: actually, I tried after logging out and could not, so I assume nobody can create userpages without logging in. (I assume a new account can, though, without restrictions on age/edit count.) I am not sure I have already seen userpages for IP editors, either, even though I do not find anywhere in the guidelines that says it is forbidden. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I forgot to log out when I tried it. I've created the user page now, just to see what happens. The heading at the top says "this page should be created and edited by User:71.201.47.203". It will be interesting to see if the IP can now edit their page. Dbfirs 06:30, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Since there are very few links to IPs' user pages and they're almost never used, you could just add this information to the top of your talk page. I've seen a handful of established IP editors do that. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:25, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

What causes Google Home to use out-of-context info from a Wikipedia page to answer a question?

My 11-year-old asked Google Home today how many people were killed in the second world war. Google Home answered "According to Wikipedia, over 6,000 American and Japanese troops died in the fighting." This is a TERRIBLE answer. The sentence is taken from the caption to the third image on the Wikipedia page World War II casualties, and is obviously taken out of context in a bad way. A friend tried asking the same question and gets this answer about 20% of the time, other times more or less correct answers from this article and elsewhere. I get it every time I ask. Could Google Home be using this phrase from the caption because of some metadata or formatting in the caption? How would Google Home be choosing that particular phrase for its answer rather than the correct answers, and is there a way to fix this? --Lijil (talk) 17:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

This is Wikpedia, not Google, and we have no way of controlling what Google does with our information. Indeed, we have no way of knowing how Google selects its snippets. I suggest you direct this question to Google because they are the only ones that can rectify the situation. The actual link in the text is [[File:Tarawa beach HD-SN-99-03001.JPEG|thumb|Bodies of U.S. Marines on the beach of [[Tarawa]]. The Marines secured the island after [[Battle of Tarawa|76 hours of intense fighting]]. Over 6,000 American and Japanese troops died in the fighting.]] which (1) links to a jpeg file, (2) specifies thumb-sized, (3) gives the caption (Bodies ... fighting). There is no clever hidden metadata. I have a horrible feeling that Google is scanning down the page and seeing "Soviet soldiers", "Jewish civilians" and "U.S. Marines", so reporting the latter; I hope I'm wrong on this. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

We get many complaints about errors in another Google feature Knowledge Graph so we made a stock reply for it: {{HD/GKG}}. This is the first post I see about Google Home which apparently uses Google Assistant. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Collaborative Edit - Marc J. Lane

Hello.

I'd like to draw your attention to an issue with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_J._Lane. First, I'll disclose that I'm an employee of Mr. Lane's. I've been assigned to try to restore his Wikipedia page to include a substantial amount of the text that has been cut by various Wikipedia editors. I began this process back in October, at that time simply restoring from the page's history approximately 14,000 characters that had been cut. The restoration did not last. The editors who keep watch over the page immediately reverted the page to its status quo ante and criticized me for even making the edits myself, pointing to the Wikipedia policy of encouraging anyone affiliated with the subject of the page to do no more than suggest edits on the talk page. Fair enough. I was unaware of the policy.

Thereafter (and still in early October), I posted the following to the Marc J. Lane article Talk Page:

"Hello all. I am affiliated with the Law Offices of Marc J. Lane. I recently attempted to restore a substantial amount of text that had been deleted by editors who believed it to be too self-promotional. The text had been previously deleted on the grounds that it was written by someone who inadvertently failed to disclose their affiliation with the Law Offices. So in restoring the text, I disclosed my affiliation. That apparently made no difference to the editors. I respectfully disagree with their assessment as to the self-promotional nature of the article, but as there is no higher power to appeal to, it seems the article will need to be rewritten.

I am willing to do that, but I don't have the time to do a complete rewrite only to have the article chopped down again. So I'm proposing to whomever might edit my work that we collaborate in advance of a re-write to identify what's acceptable and in line with Wikipedia's editorial standards, which I fully support. I just don't want to waste my time.

Can anyone who would be monitoring and/or editing my work please respond to discuss my proposed collaboration?

All the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutarchos21 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)"

As you'll see, no one has responded. I firmly believe the page is not nearly as biased as some of the editors seem to think it is. It is based largely on independent (i.e. non-Marc J. Lane) sources. And I don't think the language it uses is self-promotional, really. What is problematic about the following, for example: "By appointment of Governor Pat Quinn, Lane served as the State of Illinois' Task Force on Social Innovation, Entrepreneurship, and Enterprise..."? The authority cited to for that text is the Social Enterprise Alliance. This was among the 14,000 characters that have been cut.

So I'm in a tough spot. On the one hand, I have to respect Wikipedia's wishes and not edit the Marc J. Lane article myself. On the other hand, none of the editors who would call me out for making edits myself seem to be the least bit interested in collaborating on edits. That is why I'm reaching out for your help.

Can you kindly suggest a way to proceed past this impasse?

Best,

Plutarchos21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutarchos21 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

You could tell Lane that wikipedia articles are written according to policy, not his wishes. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 18:24, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Plutarchos21. As an editor with a COI you need to follow the guidance in that page: formally disclose your PAID status (this is mandatory); suggest specific edits, with citations as necessary, on the talk page, and attach the {{edit request}} template, so that they will get noticed. But, as Roxy says, neither you nor Lane have any ownership or control over Wikipedia's article about him. --ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Wells Fargo executive case and settlements not recieved

Barely comprehensible wall of text: a grievance irrelevant to Wikipedia

Hello this is Paul Hernandez jr also the US Treasury /Climate Change /at&t 5G /Apple inc/Google ownership /Bank of America national mortage settlements /world bank owner/union pacific rail road ownership and partnership with President Bush sr two days before his passing also never recieved the CIA sealed files sent to modesto public libary charging the accountent for data also partnership with Emperest of China at&t telecommunications ownership also in US treasury case against FBI DEA NSA due to premeditated life sentence against me and murder for hires against me due to assets owed from wells fargo Chase Bank Bank of America and citi bank but wells fargo settlement funds never recieved since it was from one account in my name since 2002 from 2nd appellate federal supreme court of New York civil rights humaneterian act with all court orders and judgements in my favor PHARMA stands for Paul Hernandez jr Armida Acosta malpractice resulting in death san jose hospital ca shut down and also state of ca comptroller office with betty yee missing hier of Armida Acosta is not missing but here in modesto ca tent city due to no settlement checks or account recieved Govenor Brown statement is no ex wifes our entitled to any assets or account info due to fraud and embezzlement holding board of directors accountable and CEO to criminal prosecution due to amount of funds accountable forcing me into homeless position with knowledge beyond a reasonable doubt of life threating situations as a American Citizen and royal bloodline from Moctezuma /Poncho Villa also exxon mobile lawsuit vs climate change in my favor

Gosh. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 19:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Paul Hernandez, you have come to the Wikipedia Help Desk, which is exclusively for questions about editing Wikipedia. Nobody here can help you. --ColinFine (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Joining an inactive WikiProject

What exactly is the policy for joining a WikiProject that is marked as inactive? At WP:INACTIVEWP it talks about reviving a WikiProject that is inactive, but I was wondering about joining an inactive WikiProject where the intention is not to actually revive it, but about editing articles relating to that WikiProject. Quahog (talk • contribs) 19:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@Quahog: You join a WikiProject by just adding your name to the list of participants. It's the same for active and inactive projects. No WikiProject "owns" any articles and you can just edit them without joining the project. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: So does that mean there is absolutely nothing stopping you from joining an inactive WikiProject? Quahog (talk • contribs) 20:43, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any issues with it. It's just a name on a list giving you no rights. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Language - How do I Crosslink Two Sister Articles, in Different Languages?

Let's use the article Brazing as the example.
On the left there is a list of languages, to view this article's counterpart in another language.
In Swedish (language code 'sv'), this translates to "hårdlödning".
That subject is a subsection of the article "lödning".

I've tried everything I could think of, tried following the guides, but I just can't get it to work. Could you help me?

How do I associate two existing articles?
Can I associate a specific subsection of an article, rather than the entire article? PhdStudent.Blue (talk) 20:42, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey PhdStudent.Blue. The articles are associated across languages and projects using the Wikidata item. See here for the Wikidata item for Brazing. This can normally be accessed through a Wikidata link above the language versions no the left hand side of the article. At the bottom of the page these can be added or changed as needed. However, there is no current functionality that I am aware of to connect sections of articles, rather than entire articles. GMG^talk 20:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Links through Wikidata can't go to sections, PhdStudent, but the old mechanism for linking is still available, and can do so. See WP:ILL#Local links. --ColinFine (talk) 23:36, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, got the ping wrong, so pinging again: PhdStudent.Blue --ColinFine (talk) 23:37, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@PhdStudent.Blue: For lots of technical details about the problem and various semi-solutions, see wikidata:Help:Handling sitelinks overlapping multiple items. A solution I don't see mentioned there, if you are somewhat fluent in the language that has the redirect, is to go to that site wikipedia site and convert it to a real article--a WP:SUBARTICLE of the existing one to which the redirect currently points. Offload content from the main, and consider expanding it a bit (you could use ideas from other languages' actual articles). DMacks (talk) 04:53, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit summary issue

Note sure where to report this, but probably this edit summary should be hidden: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Film_crew&diff=918777633&oldid=916770446 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:4B91:AB00:68CA:9E85:439D:E558 (talk) 21:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I have reported it to WP:OVERSIGHT so that it can be handled. Thank you for the report. RudolfRed (talk) 21:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Lawson

I am Larry Lawson. I wish to write a Larry Lawson page for I am currently mentioned in at least a couple areas of Wikipedia.org. First, I am featured in "The Clique" (Texas Band). I was the founder, leader and manager for the band. The Clique recorded several Billboard Top 20, Top 40 and Top 100 records during their recording years from 1968-1970 and inducted into the Texas Music Hall of Fame. Second, I am a recent recipient of the Horatio Alger Award in Washington, D.C. for my work in philanthrophy. Third, I am also listed in Bridge City, Texas as one of the notable people of Bridge City with the Horatio Alger Award and as an Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year recipient, and have been award Honorary Doctorate Degrees for my work. Fourth, I am a nationally recognized highly successful entrepreneur in the medical device business having founded and sold my companies to MERCK and BOSTON SCIENTIFIC. FIFTH, I am a nationally recognized founder and investor in medical technology and health sciences with lifetime achievement awards.

I have visited your pages of instruction on writing for Wikipedia and have become completely confused on how to write and submit an article. If you believe you can help me with this process, I will greatly appreciate hearing from you. My personal contact information is: (redacted)

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Best, Larry W Lawson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larrylclique (talk • contribs) 23:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

how can I get a page published in wikipedia.org? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larrylclique (talk • contribs) 23:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I have removed your personal information, which you should not post in this public forum. 331dot (talk) 00:04, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Larrylclique Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability; in this case, the definition of a notable person. It isn't a place to merely tell about one's self. If you have been significantly written about by independent sources, eventually someone will take note of you and write about you. There isn't much you can do to help that process along. It is also inadvisable for you to attempt to write an article yourself, per the autobiography policy, as people naturally write favorably about themselves.

Keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 00:09, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@Larrylclique: to have an article, you must be notable by our definition, not yours. Before you do any more work on an article, convince yourself that you are WP:BIO by finding sufficient reliable sources (by our definition, not yours: see WP:RS) that you believe objective editors will agree show your reliability. After that, go read WP:YFA. We discourage autobiography because we have had near-universal bad experience with it. It's just human nature to be unable to write objectively about yourself. As a separate issue, it's pointless to argue for your notability here at the help desk. Make those assertions in the lede of your draft, together with your sources, before you write the rest of the article. -Arch dude (talk) 17:32, 28 November 2019 (UTC)