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Grand Aire Express

Hello,

I wrote and article regarding safety and FAA oversight of [Grand Aire Express] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Aire_Express . The entire article was removed as "not constructive". I did also update the fleet page and those edits were not the best quality. However, the safety and FAA oversight section was well sourced and relevant. The relevancy goes to the fact that an airline such as this can continue to operate with the blessing of the FAA. I would like some other editors to comment and reconsider the deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimBob2u (talk • contribs) 00:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

The article Grand_Aire_Express still exists! --Orange Mike | Talk 01:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@JimBob2u: (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) The Grand Aire Express article was not removed - only your edits to the article. I recommend that you follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You boldly made some edits that you thought improved the article, and JackintheBox reverted your edits. The next step is for you to create a new section on Talk:Grand Aire Express to discuss the merits of your additions. Also, I suggest starting slowly - try making one recommendation and see how that goes before making another. Good luck, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I was patrolling using Huggle and came across an edit that I thought was a test edit because it involved the removal and addition of many lines, and I accidentally reverted all the edits that came before that. This might have been a bold reversion, so I have reverted my reversion of Jim's edits. JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 01:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

wha and when wikipedia started — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.186.83.158 (talk) 18:29, April 20, 2020 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to wikipedia. The answer to your question is located here. Also, remember to sign your comments with ~~~~. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 01:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

January 15, 2001. – Teratix ₵ 02:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Eurasianet

Hello all. I have been working on the content on the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Tajikistan page since before the page was separated off and made into a separate page. Can Eurasianet articles be used on that page? Is that source considered reliable? How can I determine reliability for a source like that? Tajikistan is a neglected topic on Wikipedia- for example, just a few months ago, I had to upload the new map from the CIA Factbook in the wake of the China-Tajikistan border adjustment from 2011. Thanks for any help. Geographyinitiative (talk) 02:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Is there a 'Wikipedia command center' where I can ask people about how to do coverage of coronavirus? Geographyinitiative (talk) 02:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative:...Pls join us at Wikipedia:WikiProject COVID-19 .... discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject COVID-19.--Moxy 🍁 03:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Mistiaas (talk) 04:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Taking down unfinished page

Hi,

I was trying to learn how to create a Wikipedia page, after doing my required ten edits on other pages, and I accidently published the title only of the page I will be creating, David Smeltz. I am afraid this is going to impede me from completing the page since it's now been "published". Please help! Thanks!

Misti Aas

Mistiaas It has already been put up for deletion. You are better off using the WP:Article Wizard to create a draft version of the article anyway, and get it approved through the draft review process. As an aside, who exactly are you writing an article about? Have you made sure that he is notable first? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 04:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Leeds Pals

Towards the end of the first paragraph, can you please on the link "Olive Middleton" do a specific link to the section on her (Olive) on this page Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge - the section is "Grandparents of Michael Middleton". I try to do this once a month and ALWAYS stuff it up. Please don't get angry. Thanks 175.33.49.35 (talk) 05:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I redirected the link to Lupton_family#Olive_Middleton_(née_Lupton) because it's more specifically about her. For your reference, the formatting of that link should look something like this: [[Lupton_family#Olive_Middleton_(née_Lupton)|Olive Middleton]]. You might want to read up on piped links and practice in the sandbox; I remember those giving me trouble when I was a newbie. bibliomaniac15 05:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Even if you don't stuff it up, IP, somebody else may. People are free to merge, remove or retitle sections, and that's what they indeed do. You're better off investigating and using the "anchor" template. These aren't proof against vandalism: nothing is. But people who know what they are will leave them alone; and chances are that people who don't know will leave them alone too. -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Inform a Change of New Website

Hi Sir/madam

How are you? This is Garry Teo from Malaysia would like to inform a change of Kuching High School website. A change is as follows:

Old Website: www.kuchinghigh.cdc.net.my
New Website: insarawak.com/kuchinghigh

I hope that the above changes will effect immmediately. Thank you for your kind attention.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:D08:E0:AB47:34C5:3DEA:F12F:96E5 (talk) 13:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done! I added the new URL to the Kuching High School article and to the corresponding Wikidata item, so the new official website can appear on all Wikipedia sites. In the future, you can post to the article talk page (e.g. Talk:Kuching High School) to make suggestions for an individual article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

(Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

MISINFORMATION ABOUT ROSES STORES

ROSES STORES WAS NOT STARTED IN THE 1930S BY THE POPE FAMILY. IT WAS STARTED BY NY GRANDFATHER PH ROSE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.106.184.141 (talk) 14:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

That's exactly what it says on the Wikipedia article Roses (store). If somewhere else e.g. Google says otherwise, you'd need to contact them directly. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to Wikipedia! Using all capital letters can be interpreted by others as shouting, which isn't necessary here. I see the article Roses (store) states "Rose's Stores, Inc was founded in Henderson, North Carolina in 1915 by Paul Howard Rose (1880–1955)", which corresponds with your statement. Where did you see the misinformation? If you find misinformation in an article, the first place to post is the article's corresponding talk page, such as Talk:Roses (store), with a reliable source that could be used in the article. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Article is on: Richard Oldcorn

In adding to the article, I did not reference the new information correctly. I then tried to make the correct reference, but could not eradicate the red warning that i had made an error.The full reference should be: The Sword magazine, 1975-80 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard cohen author (talk • contribs) 16:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Richard cohen author: Hi Richard, the reference needs to be between the <ref></ref> tags. I fixed the error here. DuncanHill (talk) 16:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Resubmit the declined article

I submitted an article but did not have enough third party references, due to which it was declined. I re-wrote the article and would like to resubmit it for review. However, I cannot see the 'Resubmit' button anywhere. How do I resubmit the article?

Kindly let me know.Umarfb (talk) 16:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Umarfb. You removed the box with the "Resubmit" button in this edit. --ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Umarfb (talk) 17:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Incidentally, Umarfb, I was puzzled why RoySmith thought that Draft:Hasan B. Alam was an autobiography. I may have missed something, but I'm guessing it was because when you made this edit to the Teahouse, you did not add a section header, so it looked as if it was part of somebody else's question, with the header "AutoBio Graphy". --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, My assumption that this was an autobiography is because the entire article is highly promotional. If not written by himself, then likely somebody on his staff, or at his University. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine You are correct, it is not an autobiography. RoySmith Thank you for your review. I have re-written the article and added third party references from notable resources. Hasan Alam was my research mentor during a post-doctoral fellowship that I pursued after medical school. I am now pursuing clinical surgical training at a different institution in a different state. I have mentioned this in a disclosure on the talk page of the article. Thank you. Umarfb (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Category inheritance

Hello,

I am fairly new to Wikipedia and I wanted to have my browser show a mathematics page every time I open a new Window. However most pages about mathematics are not in the mathematics category. So I would like to know wether that is intended and if not wether one could somehow inherit the category mathematics (calculus for example should be a category that inherits the category of mathematics).

Best regards TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 17:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@TheFibonacciEffect: Subcategorization is intentional. For example, the article Calculus is categorized under Category:Mathematics > Category:Fields of mathematics > Category:Calculus. You might want to open Portal:Mathematics and then click "Refresh with new selections below (purge)" to see a different article. You might also be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thats a good idea, thank you! Do you know wether I could somehow extract this link so it gives me a link that leads to a random page? Kind regards and happy editing TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 20:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@TheFibonacciEffect: Sorry, I don't know how how do to that. You could also try using PetScan, by typing "Mathematics" in the Category field and playing around with the depth number to define how many levels of subcategories you want. GoingBatty (talk) 15:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Doug and the Slugs keyboard player.

Doug and the Slugs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dale Wallace replaced Simon Kendall 1995-1997 as keyboard player.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:482:8001:afc0:e561:6ead:19b9:3169 (talk • contribs) 21 April 2020 18:06 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Please find a reliable source (WP:RS) that states this. Once you have found it, you may update the article yourself. If you are not comfortable with that, then add a request for another editor to edit it in a new section on the article's talk page, together with your source, and add {{edit request}}. -Arch dude (talk) 18:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Please fix this.

You all are doing only one thing wrong: using "viruses" instead of "vira". Please fix this. This includes words like "coronaviruses" which should be "coronavira". Thank you!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.11.196 (talk • contribs) 21 April 2020 18:08 (UTC)

You need to supply the appropriate, reliable, secondary, sources for this change. You have already been reverted on this subject by another editor. Also please sign any "contribution" you may make in the usual way. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 18:20, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Please see Plural_form_of_words_ending_in_-us#Virus. -Arch dude (talk) 18:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia, in most circumstances, uses language reflecting the way it's used among the general English-speaking public. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style to dig into the policies around article language. The goal is to produce a free-as-in-freedom encyclopedia for a general audience, not to correct people's English usage. If you want to convince people to use a word differently, I'm afraid you're in the wrong place. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 00:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

If you read the linked article section you will see that "viruses" is in fact correct, and "vira" and "viri" are completely invalid constructions based on pretentious and ignorant misunderstanding of Latin. Therefore, in addition to our following accepted usage, we are also using the correct word instead of an incorrect made-up word. Note, however, that in most cases, "virus" is a mass noun for a single viral species: "he is infected with the virus", or "they are infected with the virus", and "viruses" refers to multiple species: "there are several Coronavirus viruses." To refer to an individual virus particle, use the term "virion". -Arch dude (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

articles on Wikipedia in French want to make them on US site

How can I transfer 2 articles already established in French https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Guacci and https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuff_(film,_2015)

Rather than re-creating the articles?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upintheairalways (talk • contribs) 2020-04-21T19:45:11 (UTC)

Hello, Upintheairalways. I'm afraid the answer is, you create new articles in en-wiki. You may be able to translate the content from the fr-wiki articles, but each language Wikipedia is a separate project with its own rules and policies, and aspects of the French articles (in particular their sourcing) may not be acceptable here. Please see HOWTRANS. --ColinFine (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Linking data from infobox?

Hi there, I was wondering if there's a way to link data from a page to another pages infobox? For example, I want to link data from the Trans Mountain pipeline article to the Trans Mountain pipeline row in the Pipelines in Canada page (i.e. if I update "From" in the Trans Mountain pipelines infobox, I want to update the "Terminal" column of the Piplelines in Canada page, and vice-versa) Thanks! AristarchusValen —(talk) 19:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

The data can come from a common source, for instance, from Wikidata. Ruslik_Zero 20:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

How do I do this? AristarchusValen (talk) 01:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, AristarchusValen.See WP:Wikidata#Inserting Wikidata values into Wikipedia articles. You would probably want to create aTemplate that grabbed the data, and transclude that into both the article and the infobox (which would require editing the infobox template). Not for the faint hearted, so you might do better asking at the talk page of the relevant infobox template, or at WP:WikiProject Wikidata (though that says it is semi-active). --ColinFine (talk) 07:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

The Wikipedia article says that "It ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings” refers to operas with fat female singers.

However, a fat woman singing does not signify the ending of an opera.

I suspect it refers to Kate Smith, who sang “God Bless America” at the end of many 1940s national radio broadcasts.

Churchill kept up England's morale; Kate Smith kept up America’s.

When FDR introduced her to King George VI, he said, ‘This is Kate Smith. Miss Smith is America’.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:8000:321D:112E:CDB0:3675:14BA (talk) 21:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we do not change articles on the basis of what someone suspects. If you have a reliable source for what you suspect, please share it at the article's talk page, Talk:It ain't over till the fat lady sings. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 22:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

IP, you are not interpreting the saying in the way I have always understood it. To me it does not mean that the opera ends immediately after the fat lady sings, but rather that, stereotypically, operas usually contain a singing fat lady, so if she hasn't yet appeared there must still be significant developments in the opera's plot to come.

Now, it's possible that my interpretation is wrong, but this at least it demonstrates that your interpretation is not the only one. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.178.214 (talk) 07:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Note that the article does not say that opera is the origin of the phrase, but that that is how it is generally understood (though this is not cited to a source). It does discuss the history of the phrase in print, and says that the earliest known example is 1976, much later than either the heyday of opera or than Kate Smith. It is of course possible that the phrase was in use from the forties and never got published down until 1976, but this seems pretty unlikely. --ColinFine (talk) 08:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Also: Churchill, or Vera Lynn? -- Hoary (talk) 10:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

The 1976 date may sound implausible, but is demonstrably true. In light of this the notion that it refers to 1940s radio is implausible to the point that even if you could find a source for it, I'd advocate our article not mentioning the idea. ‑ Iridescent 12:34, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

This is the earliest mention I found at newspapers.com:

• Neal, Larry (January 3, 1976). "Courthouse Candor Prizes Awarded". Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Vol. 95, no. 337. p. 7-A. Retrieved April 23, 2020.

(The hits from 1897 are actually from 1978 (reported)). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Multiple watchlists

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T3492

Is there any way to have multiple watchlists? For example, it would be useful to me to maintain a "Lloyd George and Liberalism" watchlist, a "Cornwall and the Cornish" watchlist, etc. Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 23:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a longstanding feature request, see phab:T3492. – Teratix ₵ 00:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

At least it's not just me! DuncanHill (talk) 00:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

DuncanHill, you could do it using related changes and a long list of links.

Create a userspace list of the articles you want to watch, then use related changes to show all the changes to those articles. Not a pretty way of doing it, but should work. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 08:22, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately I have too many "long term abuse sockpuppetting fans" for it to be feasible to reveal publicly which articles matter most to me. DuncanHill (talk) 00:25, 23 April 2020 (UTC)