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August 21

Christian Darnton

Ref numbers 3 and 7 are the same - they should be doubled up - can u do this please?. Thanks 175.33.139.143 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see WP:REFNAME – it's really quite simple. You give the definition of the reference a name, e.g.:

<ref name="Lengnick">{{cite web ...}}</ref>

and then, where you want to refer to it, instead of repeating the whole cite, you just use:

<ref name="Lengnick" />

(Notice the '/' before the ending '>'.) Does this help? (Please also see MOS:ELLIPSIS for the proper use of ellipses.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm. Now I see that you are the one who inserted the duplicate reference. I've reverted that so it can be done properly.

You should, instead, name the existing reference and then insert the abbreviated reference tag instead of a copy of the complete reference. That is, after the first sentence of Christian Darnton#Early life and family, the second reference is the one in question, starting:

<ref>{{cite web|title=A Heritage ...

You should change this to:

<ref name="Lengnick">{{cite web|title=A Heritage ...

Then, at the end of the paragraph, instead of inserting a copy of the entire citation, you would just insert:

<ref name="Lengnick" />

I hope this helps. Let me know if this is unclear. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

News source had a different publisher at time of citing

I'm trying to fix a footnote. Could anyone please tell me what to cite for the publisher, since it's different now than when it was originally cited 11 years ago?--Thylacine24 (talk) 02:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: My opinion: if you have personally accessed the new instance/version/whatever of the source and validated the citation, then update the citation to the newest version you have accessed. If you have not accessed the new instance/version/whatever, then try your best to document the version that the original editor had access to. -Arch dude (talk) 03:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thanks for responding. For the record, I had to use the Wayback Machine to access the page in question, so I guess I should go with the second option you suggested. Could you please tell me if I'm right about that? (I'm about to go to sleep, so I almost certainly won't respond for a while.)

(Edit: I should have added an apology about the fact that I was about to go to sleep. Sorry, and sorry that I didn't add it earlier.)

(Further edit: Added colons for indenting in previous edit note. Sorry not to have done that at first; I'm relatively new to including new spaces when adding edit notes, and I think this is the first one that wasn't an original post.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Okay, my OCD kept me up, so I went ahead and made the edit involving the second option. Sorry to accidentally lie about not getting back to you sooner in my response. At any rate, could you please still tell me if you think I made the right edit? Also, I just read through the source in question, and it seems to have information in it contradicting the claims of the Wikipedia article. Could you please tell me if I should just remove the citation? I don't know if I'll go to sleep now or not.

(Edit: Added reply template; sorry not to do that earlier.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 04:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

If you are talking about this edit at Gary Stevens (politician), do this instead:

{{cite news |url=http://www.adn.com/2008/11/07/581574/stevens-chenault-to-lead-senate.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120509181915/http://www.adn.com/2008/11/07/581574/stevens-chenault-to-lead-senate.html |archive-date=May 9, 2012 |title=Stevens, Chenault to lead Senate, House |last=Hunter |first=Don |date=November 7, 2008 |newspaper=Anchorage Daily News |access-date=November 15, 2008}}

Hunter, Don (November 7, 2008). "Stevens, Chenault to lead Senate, House". Anchorage Daily News. Archived from the original on May 9, 2012. Retrieved November 15, 2008.

• Anchorage Daily News is a newspaper so {{cite news}} and |newspaper=
• place the original url in |url=; it may come back to life
• use |archive-url= and |archive-date= for on-line sources that have been archived at wayback or other archival sites
• |publisher= is rarely required for periodical citations; don't clutter the article wikitext with extraneous empty template parameters.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Wow, thanks for going to all that trouble. I'll try to refer back to this if I need to, assuming I can find it.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Fixed number of indentation colons in previous reply. Sorry about that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:18, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Sushant Singh Rajput Death Related

Sushant Singh death still a mystery. He Suicide or Murder we don't know yet. But in your record Its show Suicide by hanging i think the CBI investigation is still on and you must change it it's my request please change Death Reason Of Sushant Singh Rajput — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.252.224.175 (talk) 07:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Please click here to see previous discussions on this subject (assuming you're not one of the people who have previously posted here, and have already seen the answer). You might also see Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput and contribute to the latest discussion there if you like. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Changing user name

How do I change my user name CPDeLisi (talk) 14:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing username. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

CPDeLisi, the block reason you were given on your talk page also provides steps to changing your username. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@CPDeLisi: That is, at User talk:CPDeLisi#August 2020. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Leader of the Opposition (British Columbia)

• Leader of the Opposition (British Columbia) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

How do you fix the cite error in the Notes section? Isaidnoway (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Isaidnoway: I have the feeling that there's a problem with mixing named, list-defined notes and un-named inline notes. I moved the three named notes up into inline position and solved the problem. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Stamma BSA 1 and the British Stammering Association

Not quite sure about this one. Stamma BSA 1 appears to represent the British Stammering Association. Looks as if they have a current piece of marketing involving changes to Wikipedia where discriminatory language was used in articles about people who stammer: it's explained in their contribution here. They have declared a CoI on their user page. Bit uncomfortable about some of this, such as their mention of their marketing organisation in this earlier version of their user page. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 15:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft re AFL player

Hi. I am trying to get help regarding the editing of my article. It has been edited 8 times but I’m not sure what to do next? Thanks My user name is Collingwood supporter. The article is a Draft. Jye Bolton Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collingwood supporter (talk • contribs) 16:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Presumably you intended to link to Draft:Jye Bolton? Your first step is see whether the subject is notable by Wikipedia's definition, particularly the criteria at WP:NAFL. If so, you need to include the relevant references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. You can find further advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Translation of Wikipedia articls in Indian Regional Langauge--Marathi

Dear Sir I, Chandrashekhar p.Murgudkar age 60,Engineer and valuer/Project feasibility consultant residing at Kolhapur, Maharashtra,India.

in addition to my profession,I am translator. I translate English books in my State Official language --Marathi . My 14 translated books have been published so far. I am Hollywood Cinema lover. I am writing one book on 16 selected movies like-Cool hand luck/Silence/High and Low etc. I am following many movies. So Now i am thinking of translating Wikipedia Cinema pages in my language i.e. Marathi, but of course with your valuable permissions/stipulated guidelines. So that my marathi page will be uploaded by your valuable organization on wikipedia. This will help marathi Wikipedia readers and the will be in better position to understand the the plot of movie and other related things. Pl communicate in this matter Thanking you Yours faithfully

Chandrashekhar p.Murgudkar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.14.104 (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer to help. You do not need any permissions from anyone here at the English Wikipedia to translate our article into Marathi. Each language Wikipedia, including the Marathi one, is a separate project with separate rules and administration, so you will need to work with the folks on that Wikipedia. If you were translating into the English Wikipedia, you would first read Wikipedia:Translation. The Marathi Wikipedia probably has a similar page: look for it in the "languages" list on the left sidebar of that page. Failing that, read our page for general guidance and then ask at the help desk on the Marathi Wikipedia. Good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

In addition to what Arch dude has said, Chandrashekhar, WP:Translate us gives general guidance for translating into other languages. But I would echo what Arch dude said about making sure you understand what mr-wiki's requirements are. --ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding Company President/CEO Info on Wikipedia

Hi - I hope everyone is well and staying safe! I work for an engineering and supply chain company (https://www.mesinc.net/about-us/), out of Columbus, Ohio. Our CEO has expressed interest in creating a WIKI page for himself (from education to owning his own company, to his global charitable foundations). Can you please tell me the process I need to follow in order to have the information public? We've written a complete bio and unsure if we 'upload the file' or if there was something different we should do. Any guidance would greatly be appreciated. Thank you!

Zach Hamner — Preceding unsigned comment added by MESINC2007 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@MESINC2007: there are several steps.

• Ybandon your user account and set up a new one with a name that does not look like a company name. See WP:USERNAME.
• You are what we call a "paid editor". read and comply with WP:PAID.
• Each Wikipedia article must be about a notable subject, by our definition. Read and understand WP:N. Really. I mean it. We delete more than a hundred articles each day because someone with good intentions went to a lot of work to write an article about a non-notable subject.
• If your subject is notable, you will have found several good references. Don't mess this up. Please read WP:CSMN. Don't skip this step.
• If you get this far, then find and read several WP articles on a similar subject to get a feel for what they should look like. Pick one you like and use it as a worked example.
• Go read WP:YFA and create your draft article.

Good luck! I know this looks intimidating, but if he's notable, we want the article. -Arch dude (talk) 18:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I will add, MESINC2007, that you are likely to have to throw away much of what you have written, because you will probably have written it from information he has given you, and said what he would like it to say. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say, or in what his associates or employees say about him. It is only interested in what people wholly unconnected with him (and unprompted by interviews or press releases) have chosen to publish about him in reliable sources. That is why Arch dude emphasised the references: if you can't find them, then he is not notable (in Wikipedia's sense of the word) and no article will be accepted however it is written. If you can find them, then you can create an article almost entirely from what those independent reliable sources say. Unpublished information may not go in a Wikipedia article, period. Information published only in non-independent sources (such as the company's website) may be used in limited ways only. And please be aware that once the article is accepted into Wikipedia, neither you nor he will have control over the contents: you will be welcome to suggest changes to it, but it is a consensus of uninvolved editors who decide what is appropriate for the article, not the subject. This may sound even more intimidating than what Arch dude said; but while we want an article about him if he is notable, you are not the ideal person to write it, because of your conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk)

@MESINC2007: If your CEO wants you to continue with this, You might ask him to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If he does, at least he will have been warned if there are unforeseen consequences. -Arch dude (talk) 21:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Alan Sugar and Kevin Wheatcroft seem to me to be quite good examples of the genre. Is this the kind of article you want to write?Spinney Hill (talk) 08:18, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

candidates, election dates, and the main page

How would a stupid person find the policy on articles related to candidates appearing on the main page in the runup to an election? Asking for a friend. —valereee (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee:I don't know about "policy", but take a look at item 7 in Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page. -Arch dude (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Arch dude, thanks...I think there's definite policy somewhere. I'll go ask at main page talk. That's probably where I should have gone first. :) —valereee (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Help with publishing a Draft

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jye Bolton

Hi. I have added verifiable references to my edited drat page and need to know the next step My user name is Collingwood supporter. The draft is titled Jye Bolton. I think it is now ready to be accepted. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collingwood supporter (talk • contribs) 22:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Collingwood supporter, to submit your draft for reivew, please add the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft, and it should be reviewed shortly. However, you probably want to add more references (three with significant coverage is a good guideline to start with), and as you are writing about a living person, you will want to add inline citation for most (especially contentious, or possibly so) material. See Help:Referencing for beginners for a good guide. LittlePuppers (talk) 22:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)