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February 1

Articles for submission.

I have submitted an article to reviewed. Can someone help me get it reviewed sooner? --Akash555000 (talk) 00:20, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

As it says on your draft "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take more than six months, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,086 pending submissions waiting for review." You submitted the draft for review 12 minutes ago, and there is no reason why your review should be done immediately while the other four thousand editors wait for up to six months. There is no deadline. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:26, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

But while you're waiting, Akash555000, I suggest that you look for some independent sources. I've only looked at the first few, but they are clearly all based on interviews or press releases; some of the later ones may be independent, but are only listings. Remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the company or its CEO say or want to say: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the company have chosen to publish about the company; and if that is not sufficient to base an article on, then no article is possible. --ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

How can I fix the LOGO which is incorrect

I have the correct LOGO file for a page but can't figure out how to upload it/replace the less than stellar version.

I do not work for the organization but have been given the logo by them and permission to upload it to Wikipedia. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KateMcKenna28 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@KateMcKenna28: Which article are you trying to update the logo for? Also, the logo may be of low quality if it is not released under a free license, as required by policy. You can use files for upload to get the logo uploaded locally, or go to Wikimedia Commons if it has a free license. Danski454 (talk) 00:55, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KateMcKenna28 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@KateMcKenna28:Wikipedia obeys copyright law. If the new logo is copyrighted, the company is unlkely to give us an acceptable licence (CC-BY-SA) because that allows anyone, not just us, to use it for any reason. We can place stuff under that license on Wikimedia commons. Our alternative is to use it under the "fair use" doctrine, and our interpretation of that doctrine requires, among other things, that the image be a low-res image. "Fair use" is OK on our own en.wikipedia, but not on Commons. -Arch dude (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Log-on problem

Despite its quirks, this iPad is usually convenient for editing. At this moment i have a session active via one icon and AFAI can recall i,ve had Zero problem getting a second supprted via the Google icon. But the Google-mediated session is rejecting my thouroughly memorized password. Can you monitor my seesio to verify it is not i who has screwed somefhing up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quisqualis (talk • contribs) 02:50, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what a "Google-mediated session" is but no, logons cannot be monitored. There are too many people trying to log on all over the world and very few developers. Johnuniq (talk) 02:54, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Is this going to get me in trouble?

User:Peregrine_Fisher#Who_were_my_wiki_friends/enemies_back_in_the_day?_I_forget

I'm back from a 10 year hiatus, and I find it fun to categorize the editors I used to know. There may be some rule now. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Even ten years ago making enemies lists was a bad idea. Acroterion (talk) 04:20, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Peregrine Fisher: Since you just came back from a long(!) break, this would be a good time to carefully re-read WP:NOT, which is the best description of what we are attempting to accomplish. Please carefully consider the WP:BATTLE section. We are working collaboratively to build the greatest encyclopedia in the world, and we fundamentally work through consensus. Do you really want to help? If so, do you think you lists will help or hinder consensus building? Please think this through, and if you want to help, then welcome back! -Arch dude (talk) 05:20, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

You're right. I toned it down. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 06:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Discovered that two people are writing about themselves, their book, and companies they’ve been associated with.

@NatGertler, Animalparty, Hollyeighteen, Sakakawean, and Tigerinthesmoke: Hi,

There are two Swedes called Stefan Fölster and Dag Detter. People with “an undisclosed connection to” Stefan Fölster and Dag Detter are editing the articles about Stefan Fölster, Dag Detter, their book, and companies and other things they’ve had an association with, using the accounts Hollyeighteen and Sakakawean, and probably Tigerinthesmoke and Timeforteapet. This is so obvious that no technical evidence is required. What do we do about this abuse of Wikipedia? Can I cut down the articles to a few sentences as a sanction? I ping NatGertler because NatGertler has tried to edit their contributions and is familiar with this, and Animalparty who posted a [question] in 2016, which Hollyeighteen didn’t respond to. Thanks in advance for your replies. Min hemliga identitet (talk) 07:16, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:COI would be a good place to start, I guess. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:11, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Beware of outing other editors- but if there is an issue here, you may bring it up at WP:COIN. 331dot (talk) 11:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I shall discuss this on the talk pages of the articles in question, then WP:COIN, then cut back the articles in question to a few sentences. Min hemliga identitet (talk) 12:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

regarding permanent dead link

Hi,

I am seeking a help from your side for replacement of permanent dead link.

Our Permanent dead link is given below :-

Brown, Chiu; Chiu, Edmond; Neill, Lloyd; Tobin, Juliet; Reid, John (16 Jan 2012). "Is low emotional intelligence a primary causal factor in drug and alcohol addiction?". Australian Academic Press (Bowen Hills, QLD, Australia): 91–101. ProQuest 916528622.[permanent dead link]

Kindly provide the solution for this.

Kind regards, Sheela Yadav — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheelayadav (talk • contribs) 08:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sheelayadav: Which article is this link on? Danski454 (talk) 12:35, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I've found it, it is on Emotional intelligence, and is password protected. Danski454 (talk) 12:38, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I want to make some videos and put them on WP

Probably chemistry, physics, or handiman stuff. Is there a place where that kind of thing is discussed? Peregrine Fisher (talk) 09:19, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure WikiProject Videowiki would welcome your assistance. – Teratix ₵ 09:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I took a 10 year hiatus, but I see User Doc James on there. I think maybe I used to know them back then. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 09:42, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back! – Teratix ₵ 10:00, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

{{convert}} template

Hi all. If any one can advise, that'd be appreciated. So I've got to use the convert template to indicate what seven miles is in kilometres. No problem. But, per MOS:SPELL09, integers from zero to nine are spelled out in words. But obviously I can't have both (it would literally read seven 7 miles (11 km), which is bizarre). Any thoughts? ——SN54129 13:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

You'll probably want the template's 'spell' parameter; instructions for use are outlined here. – Teratix ₵ 13:48, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Teratix: Fantastic! Thanks very much, that's the ticket. Ironically the page uses the example of "ten miles", which per the MoS actually would be written numerically!  :) ——SN54129 14:47, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Page deleted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Thakur This page was deleted and I request help on editing based wiki principles and get it undeleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priya2017 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

It looks like it was deleted due to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandeep Thakur this deletion discussion. You can ask for a copy of the item as per WP:REFUND. However, I can't confirm if this would be granted, or the state of the deleted item. Personally, the deletion seems just as I couldn't find anything notable about the subject. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:38, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Priya2017: The subject was not notable by our definition, so no article, no matter how well written, is allowed in Wikipedia. Please do not waste your time and ours by attempting to re-create this article until you are certain that there is a sufficient amount of independent, high-quality coverage in reliable sources: see WP:RS. Please read Wikipedia:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. -Arch dude (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Foreign wiki notification?

I received a notification on my en.wikipedia user, this is the link: https://tcy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%AC%E0%B2%B3%E0%B2%95%E0%B3%86%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%B0%E0%B3%86_%E0%B2%AA%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%A4%E0%B3%86%E0%B2%B0:Gobears87 The characters don't copy/paste, but hopefully this works.

What is it and should I do anything about it??? --gobears87 (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gobears87: I can't see the notification, what was it? Danski454 (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Danski454: if you click the link it goes to a [Thai??? tcy.wiki...] page with my name and a random photo. The link worked just now for me, from this thread. I can post a screenshot if useful. Why is there a page with my name and a random photo on a tcy.wikipedia page? Should I do anything about it? I certainly can't read the language/characters on the page. Also, though the link here still takes me to said page, the notification has disappeared from my list of notifications. Weird. --gobears87 (talk) 16:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gobears87: Oh, I was a little confused. Some wikis automatically give users a welcome notification when an account is created locally (often when you first visit the site while logged in). Danski454 (talk) 16:08, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Danski454: Ah ok... so just leave it alone? Seems weird and has an odd photo. I don't think I went to their site but might have done so accidentally.

While here I have another question, different topic - hope that's ok. My watchlist has pages but says on top "not including talk pages". But what if I do want to see replies etc on talk pages? I have been through my preferences a few times and can't find anything to help with that. --gobears87 (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gobears87: When you add a page to your watchlist, both it and its talk page are added, so you will see edits to talk pages by default. The "excluding talk pages" bit refers to the number of pages it says you have on your watchlist. See Help:Watchlist. Danski454 (talk) 16:17, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Danski454: Ah thanks, I think my brain is still asleep - makes sense! On the foreign thing, I think I'll just ignore it. Thanks again for your quick help/replies. --gobears87 (talk) 16:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Just as a slightly more indepth answer, the English wikipedia doesn't automatically welcome new users, it has people do this directly. However, some foriegn language wikis will send you a notification welcoming you to this. Notifications show up on all wikipedias, and will say "Notification from X langauge wikipedia". You do not even need to edit for these to appear. I'd just ignore them unless you fancy updating those places. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

You do not even need to visit a wiki to get a welcome message. If one of your edits is imported from another wiki then your account may get created automatically and cause a welcome message. I have long thought about proposing at meta that welcome messages should only be allowed if the user has edited there or originally created the account at that wiki. Maybe also allow it if the account was at least created in a wiki in the same language. We get many posts like this from confused users who get a message in a language they cannot read, often with a script they don't know. I have also tried it many times. It's a nuisance but at least I know what it is and can quickly ignore it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Searching for tcy leads to Tulu language. --CiaPan (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

If you click the 'weird' image and follow to Commons and see its description there you'll see it's a 'Welcome in Yakshagana style'. Look at Yakshagana to find out what the image may mean. --CiaPan (talk) 17:20, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Ping: Gobears87. --CiaPan (talk) 15:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@CiaPan: Thanks very much - thanks to Lee V and to PrimeHunter as well. :-) --gobears87 (talk) 01:30, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Page set up.....how to ?

I'd like to create a page on a well-know theologian and scholar? He has published dozens of books and hundreds of scholarly articles in various philosophical and religious journals. His writings have made significant contributions and his ideas need furthering and discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballycowan (talk • contribs) 17:25, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Ballycowan, It is my observation that people attempting a full article as their first edits in Wikipedia are very likely to fail. Over 99% of such attempts fail. It is much better to start as an editor making small improvements to existing articles which will help you learn how Wikipedia articles ought to be written.

However, if you wish to try anyway, start with Help:Your_first_article

There is a place in Wikipedia to write a draft which will then be reviewed and if accepted, become an article:

Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation S Philbrick(Talk) 17:33, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ballycowan: The subject must be notable by our definition or the article will not be accepted, your hard work will be in vain, and volunteers editors here will spend time on a futile effort. Please carefully read WP:NAUTHOR and convince yourself that we will think the subject is notable. If in doubt, ask here (or perhaps at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity). Provide two sources that establish notability with your question, not a bunch of sources that do not but that you may use later in the article. See:Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability). -Arch dude (talk) 17:57, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ballycowan: Please also note that we do not care that "his ideas need furthering and discussion", and you should avoid this argument as it will antagonize some editors. See WP:SOAPBOX. -Arch dude (talk) 18:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

POGO Problem

I hope you are able to help me whit this problem. POGO has extremely poor customer service. I signed for POGO this last week and when I tried to access the games all I got was a grey screen with waves going from left to right. I have not been able to close that screen and ever time I try to log back into POGO I just get the same screen. I sent a message to POGO to delete my account and send me a message that my account had been deleted. POGO has not responded. They also do not have a phone number listed that I can call them about this problem. Is it EA's practice to not provide phone numbers so that a customer can all about any issue they have? If you can help me I would greatly appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C55:7600:368E:CC50:C94C:590D:C01C (talk) 22:20, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, this is a place to ask about using Wikipedia only. We cannot help you with consumer complaints. 331dot (talk) 22:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata

How introduced Fandom Wikia interlanguages in section other sites on Wikidata, and Wikia articles is orphan pages (not related with French language in example) See English version, help go to English and see the languages, for French version, help, go to Français and see the languages. i would to related all the languages via Wikidata but how, and others pages are not related.

Manchesterunited1234, February 1, 2020. 21:36 (CEST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manchesterunited1234 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Manchesterunited1234: Please examine the message I left a while ago at User talk:Manchesterunited1234#Signature. If you are not able to fix it yourself, please ask for help here. The simplest would be to go to Special:Preferences and delete everything in the "Signature:" box. Johnuniq (talk) 22:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Joshuniq:, No it's not about signature, it's about the Wikidata Fandom Wikia languages, i just help, it's possible ?, thank you Manchesterunited1234 (talk • contribs), 22:53, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@Joshuniq:, I added references on Wikidata article, it's not OK but it's easy, thank you, Manchesterunited1234 (talk • contribs), 22:57, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

For reference, Wikia/fandom is not related in any way to Wikipedia, aside from being a wiki. I had to remove your changes to the wikidata item, as a user generated website wouldn't be an official website. Wikidata would not add different versions of outside items in this way, just the foreign language versions of Wikipedia articles. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Little white dress

You have an article for Little black dress, but not for the white one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:9200:12E:705C:2EE7:A85C:BD91 (talk) 23:03, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

The Little black dress is a well-known concept that has been present in Western culture for approaching a century, and refers to a style of garment suitable for and often worn at specific types of social occasions in that culture. I myself (in my 7th decade) have never heard any references to a "little white dress" as a general concept, though it might be used to describe a specific individual garment; nor can I think of social occasions wherein such a garment would be typically worn, so (if I'm right) there is no scope for a parallel article such as you suggest. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.58.107 (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Black clothing

You have an article for White clothing, but not Black clothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:9200:12E:705C:2EE7:A85C:BD91 (talk) 23:07, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

You are right. Feel free to write up a WP:DRAFT and submit it to WP:AFC. You may wish to read WP:YFA first. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:11, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

P.S. The white clothing article does not cite any sources. It appears to have been created when our standards were a bit looser. I have tagged it. However, I do not think you would be able to get a Black clothing article published on here if it is substantially unsourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)