Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 February 18

Welcome to the Wikipedia Help Desk Archives
The page you are currently viewing is an archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the current Help Desk pages.

February 18

Sophie, Countess of Wessex

Ref number 9 should have a date for the publication, not just access date - is the format OK? Leave in the quote please. Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 03:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

There is no obvious publication date as this is a website and you are using {{citeweb}}. The date is optional and can be left out when inappropriate, so this should be fine as is. MB 03:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Special:Permalink/941360650. This seems to be about peoplepill.com. Unfortunately, this is an unsuitable circular reference to a "fork". Near the bottom of the page, it says: "The contents of this page are sourced from Wikipedia article." I checked other pages under the people directory and they are similarly noted. The site is listed at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/PQR#PeoplePill. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

1951 Kurșunlu earthquake

Hi, I wrote this article some time ago, but 1951 Kurșunlu earthquake appears as a red link in my list of limited achievements. Any ideas? Is it anything to do with correctat automat which randomly appears in my list of contribs? Yours forgetfully, MinorProphet (talk) 04:10, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

It was blue when I clicked [Show preview], but now it's red. >MinorProphet (talk) 04:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: The article is not called 1951 Kurșunlu earthquake with "LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH COMMA BELOW". It's 1951 Kurşunlu earthquake with "LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH CEDILLA" (the latter link may be changed to the former every time MinorProphet edits this section, see [1] for what I wrote). I don't know whether some of the Wikimedia servers or your browser may confuse the characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:35, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

You changed the character in [2]. It's caused by loading ro:MediaWiki:Diacritice.js in meta:User:MinorProphet/global.js. That page runs in all Wikimedia wikis where you are logged in. The script can add "correctat automat" to the edit summary, maybe when it makes automatic character conversions the Romanian Wikipedia has decided on. I don't know Romanian but it sounds problematic to run the script globally. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:51, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 March 16#Romanian characters in English WP. So I'm partially to blame for not making you a modified version of the script, but I don't wan to do that now. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

No worries, just wondered if they were connected. PS What's the biggest prime you can quote off the top of your head? I give up at about 23 (or 22/7), but irrationality beckons invitingly... >MinorProphet (talk) 05:17, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Well they were red and blue before, and now they're now both red... >MinorProphet (talk) 05:19, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

You are a still using the script so you changed the character in my post.[3] The biggest prime I remember is the smallest titanic prime 10⁹⁹⁹+7. I could quote the decimal expansion but it would be a bit boring. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: I can't cope with this orthographic subtlety, so I created a redirect. -Arch dude (talk) 06:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

I didn't 'change' anything, I just copied and pasted. I'm not that clever. Anyway, yay! Arch dude Now everything's blue, including my list of things I started, so probably hurrah. Petaprime anyone? Thanks to all concerned.

Resolved

— Preceding unsigned comment added by MinorProphet (talk • contribs) 07:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Your edits continue to make automatic character conversions with the script. Your latest edit changed my post again: [4]. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

I've published scholarly work on a topic in medical ethics that is not covered in Wikipedia. Should I write an article about it?

I'm a postdoctoral fellow at the Charité, a research hospital in Germany. I have previously published academic work that introduced and defined a novel concept in medical research ethics, "Clinical Agnosticism," the uncertainty that results from inadequate hand-off between exploratory and confirmatory research in the following BMJ article:

https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k959.full

This concept has been taken up into several other scholarly publications and cited:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hast.1034

https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/500574

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31982510

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2716187

I don't want to be seen as writing an article that is self-serving, but then as a researcher working in this field, I believe I would be in a good place to author an article on the subject.

Would it be appropriate for me to do so?

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theresearchfairy (talk • contribs) 09:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Theresearchfairy Please read about conflict of interest(or this plain language version). The short answer is no, it would not be appropriate for you to write about your own research, though it is technically not forbidden. You could submit a draft using Articles for creation, but many in your position have difficulty in succeeding. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:EXPERT may be of some help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

New Article

• Xanthi Carnival (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello,Im a new user and 5 days ago I created a translation article,but I'm not really used to wikipedia's environment so I have some questions.First,lets say that After I created the Draft article,I moved it to (article) main namespace(?).So,I dont know If this move was a mistake or should I move it back to Draft in order to ever get reviewed.I am so confused that I think I did something wrong and Im waiting falsely the approval.Would it be possible someone check the article to find out if everything is right for the reviewing proccess? Gnslps (talk) 10:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Submitting drafts for review is not mandatory, you are autoconfirmed so you are free to move your drafts to mainspace. You could improve your article by adding some more sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Gnslps. You have successfully moved your draft to Xanthi Carnival, rather than submitting it for formal review. You seem to be in a great hurry to get it reviewed (Wikipedia:Peer review/Xanthi Carnival/archive1), which suggests to me that your purpose here is to promote the carnival. Please be aware that promotion of any kind is not permitted on Wikipedia, and there is no deadline.

Looking at your article, I have significant concerns about it. I don't read much Greek, but it seems to me that the two sources you provided do not establish that the festival meets Wikipedia's criteria for notabllity. The first one has plenty of pictures of last year's carnival, but little text, and I doubt if it constitutes an in-depth piece about the festival. The second one, I can't even determine where on that site there is anything about this carnival. If the carnival has been going since 1966, it seems quite likely that it is notable (in Wikipedia's sense) - there has probably been a fair amount of independent material published about it over the years. But an article about the carnival should be a summary of what independent sources have written about it over the years: who founded it, why, how it has developed, what setbacks it has experienced, perhaps a selection of some notable or memorable performances. It is inapproprate to fill the article with the ephemera of the schedule for this year's Carnival. Please read your first article to understand better what we are looking for in an article. --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello everyone and thank you for answering! ColinFine I first submitted it for formal review when it was a draft and then I moved it to mainspace. It is listed in the Special:NewPagesFeed New Pages Feed and it marked as unreviewd. My dear, I have no reason to promote it and any of my promotion would have minimum impact. I'm not associated at all with the organization. I'm only associated with the location. The carnival is now happening and it attracts people from other countries, thats why I thought it could be useful,for foreigners. How comes the Greek version can be notable and the translation cannot? However, I'm trying to understand your concerns. I didn't translated the History section yet. The first source, makes a reference about the visitors from the nearby countries and the second one is the official website and it is referring to the clubs participating. It is a reccuring event, so everything is being written write now is not an ephemera about this years events, they get repeated each year. I really thank you, I will make some changes, I will translate the History section and add more references.Should the references be in english or it doesn't matter?Gnslps (talk) 18:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

• Note: See also #Fix NOINDEX articles from 15 February. Eagleash (talk) 19:51, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Biomatrix

Are Biomatrics and Biomatrix are same ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.232.127.130 (talk) 10:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Please ask at the Reference Desk. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:24, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Offline and online

Is there a way to show when you are online or offline in Wikipedia?--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 11:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe so, SharabSalam. Wikipedia is not social media. --ColinFine (talk) 12:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

There is no automatic way. There are ways which require an edit for every status change but few users do it. See Wikipedia:Editor activity indicator. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

2020 AAC football season

Can you fix the reference i made please 68.103.78.155 (talk) 20:17, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

I guess you might be referring to 2020 American Athletic Conference football season? It is helpful if you give a wikilink in your question to the page concerned. The page http://2020-american-athletic-conference-football-schedule-announced/ which you put in your reference does not exist, so you need to change it to the URL of the page where you got the information. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:37, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Patsy Ramsey

Yes I was just noticing on the Patsy Ramsey profile, Jon Benets mother. It states she's had 2 children including JonBenet.

This is not true she's had 3 children. One died aged 2 due to a car accident. She was the 1st born.

Their is a interview with the Ramsey's with them at a church. I never knew this myself.

The Interview is on You Tube so this information comes from the horses mouth and they talked about their 1st born and showed a pic of her. I think it was a she. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.196.17.119 (talk) 22:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Splitting a page into multiple articles

I'm looking for a template to propose splitting a recently-merged article back into multiple articles. Can someone direct me to the best one for such a purpose? Cheers, This is Paul (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@This is Paul: Wikipedia:Splitting has the procedure and the template to use. If there was recent consensus on the merging, then you should link to that discussion also and when you start the split discussion state why you think that consensus would have changed. RudolfRed (talk) 23:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Cheers, I'll take a look. There's not actually consensus for what's been done. It's a guy who's decided to merge them and made a bit of a fudge of it. This is Paul (talk) 23:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Duval County, Texas

Sphilbrick is insiting that false information stay on the "Duval County, Texas" page which is incorrectly quoted. He threatened to block me because he is an editor. The information is cited but is completely false and fabricated as the sources cited don't explicitly state this. I corrected the information and was threatened.

The information is completely misleading and if the actual information was allowed with the edits I provided it would be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistorianNYC1010 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@HistorianNYC1010: Regarding Duval_County,_Texas, I don't see any block threats. I see that some changes were reverted due to copyright violation. You should discuss this on the talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

This is what he stated:

If you revert again without providing an acceptable rationale, you will be blocked S Philbrick(Talk) 20:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC) right here.

I posted on talk page.

There is not a single real source for the history section. "lynching" is not a source. It is vandalism. The almanac article doesn't even say this. I provided multiple and it was reverted. There is no copyright violation for public domain materials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistorianNYC1010 (talk • contribs)

@HistorianNYC1010: At Special:Diff/941174361, the edit summary is Reverted good faith edits by 2604:2000:1382:4518:B94D:554C:98B8:44C2: Copyroght issue re http://www.co.duval.tx.us/default.aspx?name=About.Duval. Can you demonstrate that site is public domain (i.e., is there a specific declaration to that effect, or a license statement, somewhere on it)? Note that we are all editors, including you. Sphilbrick, an experienced administrator, threatened to block because you, as an unregistered IP editor, were edit-warring instead of discussing per WP:BRD, something that happens thousands of times a day, unfortunately. Now that discussion has begun, you can hopefully arrive at a resolution. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, I see that the editor failed to notify me but as they are brand-new, not really a big deal. Except that I continue to be amused that people with virtually no experience in editing Wikipedia takes such umbrage when they don't have a clue. I made mistakes when I started, but when I did I asked what I did wrong not huffily insisting I was right. In any event, I'm trying to engage in the article talk page.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:35, 19 February 2020 (UTC)