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January 11

You need to add another song to Pages in category "Songs about dreams"

Dream Weaver has not been listed on the Pages in category "Songs about dreams". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:8170:BFC0:153B:BB8E:49CA:B7E1 (talk) 01:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Added Category:Songs about dreams to article Dream Weaver. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Submitting my draft for publication

I have been going in circles trying to publish my draft ‘Facial Infiltrating Lipomatosis’ for publication. Could someone please help a poor noob? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WonderFILsmiles (talk • contribs) 07:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

WonderFILsmiles I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to submit it for review; I will also add information about changing your username and other policies you must comply with; please read it as soon as possible. 331dot (talk) 08:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Hi, I was wondering why the 'INFOBOX' in English and Mandarin is the same but this is not the case for the Irish Language? I ask this question because I often translate articles from the English Wikipedia to Irish and notice that the 'Infobox' does not work for the Irish language version. An example would be the 'International Women's Day' (See: International Women's Day) Whilst the text of the article in English translates into Irish Gaelic the Text Box does not?

{{Infobox officeholder | name = Éamon de Valera {{Infobox officeholder | name = 艾蒙·戴·瓦勒拉<br /><small>{{lang|ga|Éamonn de Valera}}</small> {{Bosca Sonraí Polaiteoir |ainm =Éamon de Valera Ériugena (talk) 14:18, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ériugena: each language in Wikipedia is a separate project with separate participants, administrators, and templates, so the Irish "infobox" is coded differently than the other two, and you will need to raise this issue at the Irish Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 17:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

How to create an article?

I’m an aspiring actor/vocalist and I’m wanting to create a page or article for myself. I’d keep it updated as new things in my life occurred. How do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CriscoZills (talk • contribs) 15:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Please don't. See WP:Autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

CriscoZills You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what Wikipedia is. This is not social media where people tell the world about themselves. This is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources state about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. (In this case, the definition of a notable singer or actor) Wikipedia has no interest in what someone wants to say about themselves. As you state you are "aspiring", it is unlikely that you will currently meet the criteria. We also strongly discourage people from writing about themselves, as people naturally write favorably about themselves. I'd suggest that you use Facebook or other social media, or your own personal website. 331dot (talk) 15:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Don't agree with decision about edit deemed "not constructive"

I edited an article about Uzbekistan a few days ago which stated that Uzbek is written only in Latin letters, whereas in reality, although Latin is the "official" script as deemed by the government, about 70% of printed Media is printed in Cyrillic and the Cyrillic alphabet is used at least as often, if not more often, than the Latin version. Thus, I changed the statement to "Uzbek is a language written in Cyrillic or Latin script". It was deemed as not "constructive". How can I challenge this decision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB00:CC5:3600:749C:469:4CD4:30B4 (talk) 17:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Discuss the edit with the other editor on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD. You will probably succeed if you can find some reliable sources that support this. See WP:RS. In this specific case you might claim that it's obvious by inspection, but we really prefer cited sources. -Arch dude (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Confirmation of article under review

I have just completed and submitted my first Wikipedia article. I can link to it via the my contributions tab. I think that I have submitted it for review, but I am not absolutely certain. Is there a way that I can easily confirm that I have indeed submitted it for review? Very many thanks! Ulrich131 (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

No. Draft:Ruth Clayton has not yet been submitted for review. To do so, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Aggressive use of revision delete tool!

So I'm mostly a lurker. Long-time wikipedia lurker. There's a lot of fuss around Paul Krugman recently in the media, wanted to see wikipedia to know what's going on.

I see no new information, I'm checking article history. Multiple edits undone and also deleted! I can't even see what these edit had in them, so allegdly controversial, they were immediately removed from history.

I never seen a deleted revision before, yet alone so many deleted revisions! I remember Wikipedia always stayed transparent about their admins' decisions.

Whom can I contact and ask to review the deletion of these revisions?

Me Helpos (talk) 17:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Me Helpos: You can always review The Page logs, in this case here. For this article, the reason was serious Violations of the Policy on Biographics on living people. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Based on your post I googled Paul Krugman and have now made a guess on the general nature of those deleted posts. My guess is that per WP:BLP and WP:NOTNEWS they should be deleted. This may change with time, we'll see. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers. According to Administrator's guide deleting a revision should only be comitted when we're dealing with libel or user's private information. I see that this guide mentions those situations as "such as". Does it mean admins can delete revisions at their own discretion? Is vandalism and non-encyclopedicness a sufficient reason to delete a revision? And where can I ask someone to interpret admins' permissions in this matter? Me Helpos (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Me Helpos: It's probably exactly what the log says "a serious BLP violation". I'm not sure why you think that is not the case, but you're free to question it at the performing admin's talk page. There are other steps you can take if you don't like their answer, but you should at least discuss it with them first. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:16, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Template loop

Unresolved

Apologies in advance f this is a VPTQ, I'm generally uncertain as to the difference  :)

See here, a new template I was thinking of, but it says there is a Template loop, and I do not know a) what that is, and b) how to avoid it. Any advice? TYVMIA ——SN54129 19:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Your code in Template:Template sandbox is calling itself ({{Template sandbox|...}}). That's not allowed by the software, and causes a "template loop" error. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Pppery thanks very much! But you see, if I call it {{petition it doesn't do anything, and if I call it {{sandbox it gives {{Manage TemplateData}}? ([1] looks even more bizarre!) ——SN54129 19:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Your current code is calling templates which don't exist (niether Template:Petition not Template:Template petition exist). Calling non-existent templates creates a red link. I'm still not sure what you are trying to do. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Ah! Of course, Pppery, I was trying to using the template sandbox in order to create {{Template petition}}, but perhaps that's not what the sandbox is for? This is worse than Latin  :) ——SN54129 20:05, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

What exactly is {{Template petition}} supposed to do? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:07, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

For things like Petition of Thomas de la More, esquire, former Sheriff of Cumberland, SC 8-222-11086 and SC 8 311 15549 Fitzwalter petition, Pppery. ——SN54129 20:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft article by person known IRL

Hello Mr/Ms Helpdesk.Yesterday an acquiantance I bumped into mentioned that they are looking to get involved in Wikipedia editing and have created a draft article. Their account is not Autoconfirmed, so it is currently waiting in the queue for review. I've looked up the draft and IMHO it is of good quality.

Just checking whether there is any conflict of interest if I publish the article? They have not asked me to do this. I would be doing it simply because IMHO the article is worthy on its own merits. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 22:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, 1292simon. The AFC process is in most cases completely optional. Any autoconfirmed editor may create an article directly in mainspace, or may move a draft to mainspace. The risk if somebody does this without a formal review is that the article may get returned to Draft status, or even deleted, if it is found to be wanting in various ways. If you are confident that the draft in question does meet the basic requirements (especially notability, referencing and copyright) then you may move it to mainspace. --ColinFine (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

1292simon COI only really effects users with subjects. Simply knowing another user couldn't be classed as COI - we know other users from Wikipedia. As the above says, if it's a suitible draft it can be moved into article space. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine and Lee Vilenski for your help. I will double check that it meets the requirements before moving it into the article space. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)