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June 22

Fix misdirecting title

Long-time Wikiveteran here who just wants to do a good deed, not spend half a day figuring out how to fix it; I have better things to do in retirement now. I just happened to notice that searching for The Frog King redirects to The Frog Prince, a Brothers Grimm tale that apparently is called the Frog King in some translations.

Problem is, there is also a wikiarticle about a 2002 novel, The Frog King (novel). A reader typing the title alone into the search box will end up with the Brothers Grimm story, and never see the wikiarticle about the novel

And yes, I already looked at the looooong list of Edit Request pages, in all their Byzantine complexity, but none of them seem to pertain to this unusual problem. So I'm putting the word out - somebody can fix it or not, it's no skin off my back. Textorus (talk) 04:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Textorus: The page The Frog King lists the Brother's Grimm story as well linking to the book you mention. RudolfRed (talk) 04:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I see now this is a recent change. Thanks for the suggestion to make Wikipedia less confusing. RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

There was an exdisting disambiguation page Frog King which already linked to the article bout the novel. I changed The Frog King so tht it points to Frog King, and made some edits to the DAB page. Thank you, Textorus for drawing attention to this issue. (Note that the hatnote on the article abo9ut the Grimm story links to a different DAB page which does link to the novel.) DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Appreciate ya, fellas. Textorus (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Take information from wikipedia

This is Aditya Viswanadha. I have made a new website for my classmates and for education purposes. So i have been using information from wikipedia but havent thought about copyright. so i would like to have permission from you to borrow information. and this is my website http://webstudy.mozello.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.49.89.67 (talk) 04:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The text is allowed to be copied if you provide attributeion. See WP:REUSE for guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 04:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref too many keys

There are problems in this page the section about language, budget, box office, etc is not given properly and needs to be fixed ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.249.81.248 (talk) 04:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Giving the name of the article with the error would help. RudolfRed (talk) 04:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Seems to relate to Wrong Turn 2: Dead End. Several malformatted recent changes (last 2 days) resulted in error messages. I have restored the page to a stable version (AFAICT). Eagleash (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

How to fix the section of country language budget box office etc

If there is a film whose Budget is given but below while editing there is no box office section then how to add it without creating any other problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.249.81.248 (talk) 04:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you want or which problem you are concerned about creating. Film articles usually use {{Infobox film}} where the budget can be given with | budget = and the box office with | gross =. It doesn't require an article section. If you want to add a new article section then see Help:Section#Creation and numbering of sections. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft rejected for copyright concerns

WP:Copyright problems is unclear as to how I should proceed if option 2 seems the best approach. I get that I should add a copyvio template to the draft and add it at the bottom of the problems "today section", but how exactly for that last part? I'm referring to Draft:Friedrich Ludwig Diehn and his newspaper obituary. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: In the declinature notice at the bottom of the grey panel under 'note to reviewers', click on 'here' and it should be relatively straigjhtforward to add the copy-vio / revdel notice and also to add to 'today's requests'. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 06:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

Cite error: The named reference auto was invoked but never defined

how to solve this promblem which i posted above — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mani rulz (talk • contribs) 06:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Mani rulz: when you ask here about a problem with an article, it helps if you let us know which article. I assume it is Pradeep Ranganathan. The first of the three edits you made to it today inserted the malformed tag </<ref>, which caused the following material to fail to parse correctly. I have reverted the article to its state before you made that edit. Please, whenever you make an edit, check the result before you go on to make more edits. Maproom (talk) 07:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Mani ruiz: This is related to Pradeep Ranganathan? THere seems to be a ref name not assigned to an actual reference (ref name 'Auto'). At the first use write <ref name=XXX>{{ref content}}</ref>. At subsequent uses you can then just use <ref name=XXX/> (note the closing "/". (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) and please provide a link to pages where you need help. Eagleash (talk) 07:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Our company page has been redirected

Hi There,

Wondering if anyone can help. Our company page for 'Exante Diet' has for some reason been redirected to the very low calorie diet page. I'd like to know why this has happened and how we can get our page back, as it seems very strange. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-low-calorie_diet

Thanks, Jordan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:BB0C:8000:45BE:1B33:8960:1D48 (talk) 10:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Please see Ownership of content. You do not have a company page. Wikipedia may, once, have had a page on your company. Editors made the decision that this page should be redirected. That is the way Wikipedia works. It is likely that the page you speak of neither asserted nor verified notability for your corporation. Fiddle Faddle 10:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Looking at the page prior to the changing into a redirect I can see why. The referencing was nonexistent. We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this article acceptable (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. Fiddle Faddle 10:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Fiddle Faddle for letting me know. More than happy to add these references in/ take out any facts without sufficient evidence following your feedback and links - however now I cant find the page to edit anywhere due to the redirect. Please could you let me know how I can go about making the changes you recommended in this case? So basically finding the page to edit again. Any advice is much appreciated and thanks for your help so far! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:BB0C:8000:45BE:1B33:8960:1D48 (talk) 10:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

You will need to review conflict of interest and paid editing, in order to make the required formal declarations. If you truly feel that your company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company, it is best to allow independent editors to take note of your company in those sources and choose on their own to write about it. You could submit a draft for review using Articles for Creation, but those in your position usually have a difficult time doing so, as what they feel is significant coverage in independent sources usually is not. Press releases, routine business announcements, staff interviews, and other primary sources do not establish notability.

Changing the page to a redirect means that what was there before is now in the edit history. You can access the redirect page by clicking on its name that you will see at the top of the page the redirect goes to. I advise you not to do that, however. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I think a useful approach is First to make a personal account. Second, on the talk page of that account deploy {{paid}} to declare correctly the conflict of interest. Third, go to WP:AFC and use the tools there to create a brand new draft article. Create it from the references, not from what you want to say. Once you feel it to be ready, submit it for review. That removes the large issue of COI because that is what the AFC process is able to handle.

Be prepared for the draft be pushed back more than once for further work. Fiddle Faddle 11:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

WP:PAID does talk about disclosure on the editor's "user page" so the template {{paid}} would preferably be placed there, rather than on the user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all for the advice and feedback. I'll make sure to follow your recommendations step by step and hope for the best! Thanks, Jordan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordan kopman (talk • contribs) 12:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

article want to add of bank of baroda subsidary BGSS

unable to create the article and user page.

i have content with detailed description how can you help me NAME : baroda global shared services ltd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishal.r.vaja (talk • contribs) 10:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Vishal.r.vaja Thanks for declaring your conflict of interest; if you are an employee, you will need to make the stricter paid editing declaration, which is a Terms of Use requirement for Wikipedia. Please note that Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves or merely list themselves. This is an encyclopedia, where articles must summarize only what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" does not include press releases, routine business announcements like the raising of capital, staff interviews, or other primary sources.

Successfully creating a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia, even more so if one has a conflict of interest. However, if you truly feel that your company meets the special notability definition for companies, and you have the sources to support it, you should first read Your First Article, then use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Vishal.r.vaja. Here are some hints. The first thing to do to create an article is to find at least three places where people who have no connection at all to the subject, and have not been prompted or primed by the subject in press releases or interview, have chosen to write at some length about the subject, and been published in places with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. If you write so much as one word of a draft before doing this, you are probably wasting your time because 1) if you can't find these sources, the subject is not notable and the draft will never be accepted; and 2) if you do find the sources, you may have to throw away what you have written, because if it isn't in those sources, it doesn't belong in the article. Wikipedia is not interested in what you know about the subject, or what I know about the subject, or what any random person on the internet says about the subject in a blog or forum or wiki, or what the subject says or wants to say about themselves, or what associates of the subject say about them: Wikipedia is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have published about them. The one reference you have added to Draft:Baroda Global Shared Services Ltd might possibly be used to support an uncontroversial piece of factual information such as an address, but is completely useless in establishing notability. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Need Help on Login My Wikipedia page

Hi,

My client has lost its login credentials of wikipedia page. Kindly let me know how can i recover those login details. I do not have emailid or username of that page.

Also, can i claim that page? if yes, then how can claim that page?203.115.113.74 (talk) 13:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. No, you cannot claim that page. Nobody owns an article in Wikipedia. Anybody in the world can edit most Wikipedia pages. But the subject of an article, and their associates, are strongly discouraged from directly editing an article about them. In other words, your client (and you as their associate) have fewer rights to edit that article than almost anybody else in the world, because you have a conflict of interest. What you need to do is

• Create a personal Wikipedia account for yourself. Your username should not imply that it is being used on behalf of a company, or by multiple users: "Nick at Whizzo Inc." is find, but not "Whizzo Inc.". See UN for details.
• Declare on your user page that you are a paid editor, (see that link for the details)
• Then you may suggest edits to the article about your client on that article's talk page, using the edit request mechanism. Cite independnet sources for anything you want to add, if possible.In time a volunteer will consider your suggestion, and decide how and whether it is appropriate to apply it. --ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Delete and recreate My Wikipedia page

HI,

I want to delete my wikipedia page as i have lost logins. If i delete the page, then can i create new page with same name?

Thanks Nitish Ambokar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.115.113.74 (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

If you are referring to your account and user page, if you have lost the login information and did not provide an email address to recover your password, you will need to create a new account, and then identify it as a successor to your original account("I am NewUser, I previously used OldUser"). Unfortunately the new account will have to have a different name. 331dot (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Nitish. Pages are not normally deleted. If you have lost the account login details, and there wasn't an email associated with it (or you no longer have access to that email) then there is no way to recover the account, and you should create a new one. You can put a message on your user page that you previously used that other account, if you wish.

What kind of page are you talking about? If you mean an article about you, or an article that you created, then it was never your article, and anybody can edit it - including you, from a new account. If you mean your user page, then it is still there, as User:whatever you username used to be, and you can read it, edit it, put a message on it pointing to your new user page, or even copy the contents entirely to your new userpage. (Normally copying within Wikipedia is something to be avoided, but if you are the only editor who has edited the page, then there is no problem.

Does that answer your question? If not, please come back and ask again. --ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

response HI,

Yes that is article created for my client insurance company. As i do not have the logins for the same, can i create a new account and add ("I am NewUser, I previously used OldUser") on that article?

or is there any other solution from where i can get access to that article?

or Declare on article page that a paid editor ?

Thanks Nitish Ambokar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.115.113.74 (talk) 14:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I think you are confusing two types of pages: user pages and articles. Each user can have a user page. The user page is about an individual, not a group or company, since each user name must not be shared. If you are user Schmedlap, then the page is User:Schmedlap. We also have articles about notable subjects. If the subject is Schmedlap Enterprises, then the article would be Schmedlap Enterprises. You ave access to all articles on Wikipedia already. If you are a paid editor, then you are prohibited from editing the article directly: you must instead make edit suggestions on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 14:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

THank you for clearing my doubts between page and article

but my client is looking to take the rights of that article. So pretending there is not any solution for recovering the logins. Is there any another solution?

or can i ask for article deletion and after removal of that article, i will create new article for the same company?

Thanks

Nitish Ambokar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.115.113.74 (talk) 15:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Your client has no rights regarding the article; see WP:OWN. As you were told above, you must make edit suggestions on the article's talk page. It won't be deleted at the behest of you or your client. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Nitish Ambokar, no person or company is ever allowed to take the rights of that article. Articles can be freely edited by anyone, within our policies and guidelines. See WP:OWN. The login does not matter, the company that is the subject of an article, and its representatives or employees, have less rights to control the article than anyone else. Articles are not deleted just because the subject dislikes the content. Article content is largely dictated by what independent reliable sources say. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Nitish Ambokar, you seem to be under the misconception that the subject of an article is in some kind of ownership or authority position over the article. This is not at all true - on the contrary, the subject of an article is explicitly discouraged from editing it. JIP | Talk 20:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Fixing my signature

It has been brought to my attention on my talk page that my signature will appear broken for some people. I have used this signature for almost a year and today was the first time someone encountered an issue with it. My signature looks like this:

Diriector_Doc┝^{Talk
Contribs}━━━┥

code

<span class="nowrap">[[User:Diriector_Doc|<span style="color:#F0F">Diriector_Doc</span>]]┝<sup style="position:absolute">[[User_talk:Diriector_Doc|Talk]]<br /><span>[[Special:Contributions/Diriector_Doc|Contribs]]</span></sup>━━━┥</span>

The problem that was encountered was regarding the CSS trait position:absolute. For one person, it was saying part of my signature to appear at the top of the page. This has never been the case for me on any device, and to my knowledge, no one other than Izno has experienced this issue.

Now, if one person has this issue, there is at least one other person having the same issue. But before I rush off and change what I've been using for this long already, I want to know how big of a problem this is. I have left my signature on several talk pages already over this time, and so far only one person took issue with it. Is this problem my responsibility? --Diriector_Doc (talk · contribs) — Using {{User}} for signature just in case

I left a comment on your talk page. --Izno (talk) 18:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I see it, thank you. Diriector_Doc (talk · contribs) — Using {{User}} for now 18:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Search

Hi. I think there is a way but I forget. How would I search for the mention of name anywhere in the text of Wikipedia articles, excepting in the title? Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

intitle: searches the title and -intitle: removes title matches so you can make a search like example -intitle:example. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

No Sports due to COVID-19

If There is no 2020 NFL Football or 2020 College Football Season due to this COVID-19 Pandemic that has no end in sight it will have to be that Stupid Boring Reruns of that MTV Show Ridiciulouness with Stee Lo Brim and Chanel West Coast To Watch if no football season. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 19:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

What is your question about editing Wikipedia? That is the only topic which is in scope on this page. --ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Edit page doesn't match publicly viewable page

So, I'm a total newbie to editing Wikipedia pages and am trying to fix a page that's getting repeatedly vandalized. However, when I go to the edit page, it doesn't show the most recent vandalism, therefore I can't change it; but outside of edit mode, the vandalism is still there. Any ideas what could be going on here/how to resolve? (I realize now that I should probably have just used the undo feature after the vandalism happened - I truly am an idiot, LOL.) Thanks in advance for any suggestions! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.208.84.135 (talk) 19:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. I don't know why you can't see the vandalism, but I've reverted all the edits made today (which were just the vandalism and partial reverts). Danski454 (talk) 19:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Please always be specific, e.g. quoting some of the vandalism you refer to. Maybe it had already been removed and you just had to bypass your cache to see the current version. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Can admins restore a deleted version of an article in sandbox/user space?

If so, how can I go about requesting they do so? - Scarpy (talk) 21:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Short answer yes!!! Best to review Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion.--Moxy 🍁 21:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Creating a Wikipedia Page

Hello, I was doing some research and I read that I needed to edit 4 Wikipedia articles in order to be able to create a Wikipedia article. I have now edited 4 articles but I am still not allowed to start a new page. Is there anything I'm missing or forgot to do? Thanks, Phill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillip Chang (talk • contribs) 21:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

New posts go at the foot of the page, not the top, and you also used the wrong heading level. Your message was also unsigned. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The criteria to be autoconfirmed are not about editing 4 articles. They are to have made at least 10 edits, as well as having been registered for at least 4 days. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

How to find fun facts programmatically?

I want to get a list of "fun" articles from Wikipedia programmatically. I tried Category:Fun facts but that does not exist. Any other way to get a list of fun articles?

By fun articles I mean the articles that taken at random would be interesting to a random person. VictorPorton (talk) 21:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@VictorPorton: The Wikipedia Main Page has a "Did you know..." section (which is updated daily) that sounds similar to what you're looking for. There's an archive of these facts at Wikipedia:Recent additions. GoingBatty (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Unusual articles? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Changing An Offense Statement Regarding My Neighborhood

Good Afternoon:

I would like know how to change a sentence regarding Fairview neighborhood in Anchorage, Alaska which is below:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search Fairview is an Alaskan neighborhood just east of Downtown Anchorage and west of the Merrill Field Airport. It is a working-class neighborhood of approximately 7,200 residents, with a median household income of approximately $55,000 and a poverty rate of approximately 21% [1] It was once a separate city, but was annexed as a part of Anchorage in the 1950s. At the time, it was the only neighborhood in the city that African-Americans could buy property in [2][3]

I have looked up dozens of other cities and absolutely none mentioned a poverty rate; this seems racist and provides nothing more than a statement of untruth that people in the Fairview neighborhood are black and poor. Untrue.

Hoe can this be changed please and thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gegigi (talk • contribs) 21:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Gegigi Courtesy link for other readers: Fairview, Anchorage Gegigi, the proper place to bring this up is on the article talk page. I would note that this article is about a neighborhood, not an entire city. Most city articles have such information in the article. I guess I'm not seeing the racism connection here. Are you saying that the income information is incorrect, or that the fact African Americans could buy property in only that neighborhood is incorrect? 331dot (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Gegigi: I started a conversation at Talk:Fairview, Anchorage for you, so you and other interested editors can discuss how to improve the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Taha Akgul

Hi, I've been doing some work on Taha Akgül's article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taha_Akg%C3%BCl), but I don't know how to make the table of results slightly narrower so it doesn't cause the page to have a large blank space. Red Fiona (talk) 22:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I've fixed it: the page was using {{s-start}} to begin the table, which is used for succession boxes, and creates a centred table. Danski454 (talk) 23:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. As you might have spotted with the three goes it took me to put in the link to the page, I know where my limits are. Red Fiona (talk) 23:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

How to download a page in HTML format without the theme?

How to download a page in HTML format without the theme (that is without sidebar, header, footer, etc.)? --VictorPorton (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding ?useskin=apioutput to the end of the url will get you to a page with just the content. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk?useskin=apioutput will get you this page without the sidebar etc. Danski454 (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Crandall Independent School District page not appearing

Hi,

I am trying to edit the Crandall Independent School District wikipedia page but it is not appearing. I created a wikipedia login a few weeks back to edit the page, as I am responsible for the district's communications. However, my username violated guidelines. I created a new username today but now cannot find the page to edit.

I do not know the page's exact title as I am new to the job and, again, it is not appearing--at least for me. However, the page is referenced on the City of Crandall page in the education subhead, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandall,_Texas. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scurvy Sam (talk • contribs) 23:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The article's history explains why the article was redirected. You need to read about conflict of interest, and you are not permitted to edit Wikipedia until you have made the mandatory declaration of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)