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June 4

https://www.google.com/search?q=Isa+Soares&oq=Isa+Soares&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The wrong person ( Isa Soares, CNN news reporter ) or image ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A700:B7D0:614F:E479:FC5F:50AC (talk) 01:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not control what shows up in Google searches, particularly with the Knowledge Graph which is often presented confusingly. RudolfRed (talk) 01:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

At the bottom of Google's Knowledge Graph is a link called "Feedback". Please use that to report issues to Google. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Wikipedia has no picture of Soares: not on commons, or wikidata, or here on the English Wikipedia, nor on the Portuguese Wikipedia. To see where Google got the image, Click on the image. To tell Google to fix it, click on the tiny little grey "feedback" on the lower right corner. -Arch dude (talk) 01:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

How to appeal or gain more info about a redirect

A page that I was a main contributor for was redirected, and the page itself no longer exists. I was not notified, there was no discussion, and I believe it was improper. Can someone point me to the appropriate forum to appeal this action? And is there anywhere I can possibly find records about what happened? Zekelayla (talk) 02:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Zekelayla: Please provide the name of the article that you are referring to. RudolfRed (talk) 02:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: The page was Ron Zwanziger, which now redirects to Alere. Zekelayla (talk) 02:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

The editor who moved the page (or combined it with the company) was User:Drmies. You should contact him or her. The edit summary stated: “this man is not known at all. the only sources that say something about him are this totally unclear "Inverness Medical Innovations--Born Global" source and a FundingUniverse web page. redirect to company” See what was said at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ron_Zwanziger&action=history . Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile: Thank you. I was in a dispute with Drmies at the time, and this was retaliation (whether it was conscious or unconscious, I can't say). As a first step, I'll still raise the issue with them directly, tho. Zekelayla (talk) 02:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation

Where can I ask if an article is a possible copyright violation? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 02:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

• Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems seems promising. 107.15.157.44 (talk) 02:59, 4 June 2020 (UTC) ... or try asking here.

 Done

Was WP an open project and a free encyclopedia?

Why do new users need a preventive approval before being enabled to create new articles? Was Wikipedia an open project? Why do this new policy is also provided for creating simple disambiguation or surname pages?

New users have to read Help:Your first article and at the end of the path they are redirected to WP:sandbox or to the user's sandbox that are regularly deleted. We can speed-up the new procedure with a money donation to the project?Ciccio81ge (talk) 05:19, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Donating money will have zero effect on anything related to your edits on Wikipedia. That money goes to the Wikimedia Foundation. (See Where does your Wikipedia donation go?). We are all unpaid volunteers.

Please make a few edits in areas that interest you to learn a bit more about editing Wikipedia before you try to create an entire new article. Creation of new articles in the main space is restricted to accounts that have reached autoconfirmed status (four days registered and at least ten edits).[1] --Guy Macon (talk) 05:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ciccio81ge: If I remember well, my sandbox has never been deleted. Because I do not try to game the system by placing WP:SOAPboxing or advertising there. Tgeorgescu (talk) 05:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your courtesy answers. I agree it can be introduced a somesort of filter and moderation preventing new users from creating new articles. I disagree to implement in relation to disambiguation or surname pages, like this. Those type of pages could be reasonably excluded from the new Wikipedia's editorial process. Such an activity would create an overload for administrators or for other users deputed to read and review the drafts, also expanding the middle waiting time for any user who has asked to publish a new article in the main space.Ciccio81ge (talk) 05:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ciccio81ge: Dab pages and article titles have some involved policies and procedures – not something a brand-new user would usually have enough experience to navigate correctly. Personally, I think the autoconfirm bar is set much too low. I don't see how someone with only 4 days and 10 edits can have absorbed much more than basic text editing and, maybe if they've got some academic or other CMS experience, citation. Managing structural items like dab pages and categories should require at least a month and a few dozen edits so as to gain the necessary understanding, IMO. Lowering the criteria would result in much more drive-by nonsense than we already have. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ciccio81ge: Everybody was allowed to create articles directly for many years but it produced a lot of crap and we eventually decided to stop it. If people found out that some types of pages were still allowed without review then I'm sure it would be abused, e.g. marking spam as a disambiguation page. It's not easy for a new user to write a proper disambiguation page and it often requires more like page moves, link fixes and hatnotes. You did well but missed Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Linking to a primary topic, and we don't abbreviate "born" per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#People. I have fixed it, moved it to Zannini (disambiguation), and linked it in Zannini. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:, thanks for your corrections. I apologize in advance for some of my errors related to the WP manual of style. I undervaluated the amount of problems a disambiguation page can create. Their generation can be totally automated through a bot like this I've causaly seen on the Italian Wikipedia. I didn't see them used on the English Wikipedia. The related informations can be extracted directly from the text when the biographical template is not available or correctly compiled.

@Ciccio81ge: in the early days we had fewer restrictions of this sort. As the volume of edits increased, restrictions were put in place by consensus to cut down on the workload of the volunteers who try to keep the place tidy. Each such restriction was added when these volunteers noticed a pattern of edits that were likely to cause problems. There are more than 100,000 active editors in the last 30 days, and the edit rate can exceed one per second at times, so you can see that it's hard to keep up. -Arch dude (talk) 14:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

We won't Wikipedia:Silence and consensus -that doesn't imply a certain lead time to have a draft get published in the main space- shall become WP:CENSOR. The success of WP was made possible by its user-friendly and easy-to-use SW that enabled everyone -even at his first edit- to build up a good quality article and publish it online. Wiki required a very basic knowledge of CMS, Internet and of what a web page can be. The stress was put on the contents and the related sources, not on the format or the stylesheet users are asked to learn and follow. but I think this is not matter for a newbie like me and it has been discussed previously since it concretely may destroy the openness of the project. Have a god day.Ciccio81ge (talk) 07:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Why does this random article has millions of pageviews?

This is a bit baffling lately, but I recently discovered that the page - (which is a redirect to Hyphen-minus) has tens of millions of pageviews. I dug into the analytics and discovered that it used to get up to 3,000,000 pageviews per day.

For some reason, at April 30, the numbers just dropped off from millions of pageviews a day, to just a steady 500,000. What's up with this? (One thing to also note is that the page it redirects to, Hyphen-minus, is a normal page with about 500 daily pageviews.) dibbydib ^boop or _snoop 05:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Such things often happen and are usually assumed to be a program making repeated requests for some reason. A hyphen is often used to indicate that something is missing so maybe it was attempts to reach another page. Maybe it was a faulty program which was fixed for some users, or multiple programs and one of them was fixed. Going back further and separating by dekstop [2] and mobile [3] shows other sudden changes and not at the same time. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

article page copyright issue

hey dear, there is no copyright issue, please check it once, we need approved this article for our college. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swadhin.sip (talk • contribs) 06:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps you are asking about Draft:Santiniketan institute of Polytechnic. You haven't asked for approval (conversion to an article). But there's no point asking for it until you cite reliable, independent, published sources for what the draft says. -- Hoary (talk) 07:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Swadhin.sip: I'm concerned about your use of "our college". Please read WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. If you work for the college or have any other conflict, you must declare it on your user page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

page publish

Dear sirs. Good day. i have created a page under name user called : صادق أنور الصبّاح,and i have created a sandbox inserted my text and after that i published the page. i have searched on the google for صادق أنور الصبّاح nothing is appeared. i feel that there is something is missing please can you inform me thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by صادق أنور الصبّاح (talk • contribs) 07:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

You have created Draft:صادق أنور الصبّاح. It is a draft, not an article, and won't be found be Google. It will not be accepted as an article here in en:Wikipedia, as all articles here must be written in English. Arabic-language Wikipedia is at https://ar.wikipedia.org/. Maproom (talk) 08:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Stuart Roberts Writer

Hi, I was checking my page on the web (Stuart Roberts - psychological thrillers) and noticed that wikipedia have associated my photograph with John Stuart Roberts - Wikipedia. I'm sure this is a simple mistake. Can you please remove my photograph from the site of the Reverend John Stuart Roberts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.11.167.150 (talk) 08:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I think what you are referring to is an issue with Google or a search engine, which we have no control over. You will need to contact Google(or the search engine) for assistance. 331dot (talk) 08:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Our article John Stuart Roberts has no photo. Our standard reply:

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong.. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

How do I find my draft? I saved it yesterday and can't find it.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerfinallysnaps (talk • contribs) 09:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Gingerfinallysnaps: Click "Contributions" at the top right to see your edits. You created Draft:Philippa Beale. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic in Russia

Can someone help with the broken reflist at COVID-19 pandemic in Russia? It needs something complex in place of a simple {{reflist}} to cope with the huge number of transcluded refs, but I can't work out exactly how. Thanks in advance. Capewearer (talk) 10:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

{{reflist}} is not the problem. Wikipedia:Template limits § Post-expand include size is the problem.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the page is in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. It has to reduce the template calls, or some of the templates have to be recoded to be less expensive. {{COVID-19 pandemic data/Russia medical cases}} alone contributes half of the allowed 2 MB template expansion. The article is large at 300 kB so one option is a split. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I've proposed splitting off the timeline at the talk page. Capewearer (talk) 12:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Capewearer, if you haven't already, you might want to take a look at how Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020 was split off. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I will, thanks. How much of that timeline should I leave in place in the current article? Is a {{main|Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in Russia}} template sufficient? Capewearer (talk) 14:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

You may also want to mention the other part that is split off. For example, Responses to the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020 is mentioned in {{about}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Rollback multiple edits

An anonymous user removed multiple legends from a Wikimedia image (link to the image, see edit history). Is there a way I can revert all these edits at once, or is there a place to report such vandalism? Thanks a lot! Raphaël Dunant (talk) 12:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

This help desk is for the English language Wikipedia. Wikimedia Commons is a different project, so you need to raise the question there. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Thanks for the information and the link Raphaël Dunant (talk) 12:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Cliven Bundy

Cliven Bundy article in the English wikipedia needs a citation regarding Bundy's case - at the end, not sure how to contribute it - here is it, of of 5/29/2020 https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/863906893/cliven-bundy-armed-standoff-case-going-back-to-court?t=1591273096863 Ddonjohn17 ==

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/863906893/cliven-bundy-armed-standoff-case-going-back-to-court?t=1591273096863 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddonjohn17 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ddonjohn17: The best way for you to make a suggestion for the Cliven Bundy article is to post on the article's talk page: Talk:Cliven Bundy. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Will I be stopped from editing just because I made mistakes in the articles written by me?

I as a user ask that just because I wrote some articles which were unreferenced and someone has improved it . So just because I didn't add references so would I be stopped from editing?? or would I be allowed to continue as a user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MukKausheeki (talk • contribs) 13:19, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

MukKausheeki If you learn from your mistakes, and change your actions accordingly, you shouldn't be blocked. If you need help with knowing what you need to do, please ask the users who have posted to your user talk page about why they did so. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft has not been published - why?

Hi !

I have created an English version of the Wikipedia page for author and director Fabio Marra (currently only existing in French). I thought that, once I "submitted it", it would go through some kind of supervision before being published.

This is the draft in question : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fabio_Marra

However, I have seen no advancement in the process since I "submitted" on the 17th of April. Can you please explain if I have missed anything or done anything wrong?

I would like for this draft to be reviewed in order for it to be published.

I hope someone can help me on here.

Thank you very much !

TeatroCarrozzone (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

TeatroCarrozzone It is "published" in that it is visible to the public, but it is not "published" in that it is not formally part of the encyclopedia yet, because you have not submitted it for review. I will add the appropriate information to allow you to do so. 331dot (talk) 14:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Users new to Wikipedia(this version, at least) cannot directly create new articles, they must use Articles for Creation; this is why you could only create a Draft. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

User blocked for having a promotional name of the subject's theater group. Article has been translated from French Wikipedia so sourcing is mostly in French. Hopefully a French speaking person with an interest in this person can review for notability and decide to submit or not. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Expression error: Unexpected < operator

On this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollusca there is a error messages that says in red Expression error: Unexpected < operator How can I fix it it is Google Chrome latest stable version on Windows 10 latest stable version 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

1.Ayana: Deor has just fixed it, by undoing the previous (probably vandalistic) edit. --ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Colin and Deor for fixing it 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Getting my updated article approved?

Hi,

I created a wiki for the sculptor Charles E. Gagnon and it got flagged for possible copyright violation. Before I could contest the violation, it was deleted. I created the /temp version of the post and got proof that the wiki is okay to use the information from the source both from the museums website that states fair use and from staff that run the museum who wrote an email giving approval. I did this all over a week ago but I haven't received any notifications on the status of my wiki. Its just sitting with the "temporary" status.

Is there something else I need to do to get the ball moving on my post? I have addressed the previous issues and its been reviewed, fact checked and approved of by the source of the information.

Any help is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IceIllex (talk • contribs) 16:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy links to flagged page. Draft:Charles E. Gagnon Draft talk:Charles E. Gagnon (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

removing advert tag

How to i remove an Advert tag from a page after i have made corrections to it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walton_Group_Inc.?action=edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by TWG123 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Account blocked for promotional use, and article flagged and on its way to deletion. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Pages on German Wikipedia not appearing in English Wikipedia

The German language Wikipedia has a page for "rope statics" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seilstatik?fbclid=IwAR3bUg7_e0X0WxarJTNmCzpGue_B1Y6_XGMR63w-3MjhFUDDtGGb9aLeoSU) which has been helpful for me, but I have to use chrome to translate the German Wikipedia to English. When I search for "rope statics" or related terms in the English language Wikipedia, I don't find anything. I've not been able to find the info in the German "Rope Statics" page in other English language Wikipedia pages for engineering statics. Why would there be scientific pages in the German Wikipedia that aren't in the English Wikipedia? I feel like I'm missing volumes of the encyclopedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirk558 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Dirk558: Welcome to Wikipedia. I don't read German, but from the sidebar of that article, it lists this page as the English version: Catenary. The other thing is, each Wikipedia's articles are independently created by volunteers. If there is an article in one language that does not appear in another language, it is because no one (including you) has taken an interest in creating or translating it. RudolfRed (talk) 17:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Great catch RudolfRed. @Dirk558: - Rope statics now redirects to Catenary. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

latitude and longitude coordinates

Hi. Where the lat lon coordinates are provided in a Wikipedia page for a location of a place (such as Bedford Park in The Bronx ) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Park,_Bronx) does the lat lon equate to the geographic centre of that place? If not, what is it exactly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:5800:8C20:6C39:CEB6:DD54:5C2A (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

It's not that systematic. Coordinates are often given "with appropriate precision" as said at Template:Coord#Features. That means the number of digits is chosen to just hit the right area and not a specific small part inside the area. In Bedford Park, Bronx, the given coordinates are 40.87°N 73.886°W with a limited number of digits. 40°52′12″N 73°53′10″W is a conversion. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussions being closed: purple or green highlighting?

Please see:Talk:Murder of Tessa Majors#Requested move 3 January 2020. I thought that, when a discussion was "closed" ... it (somehow) receives a purple-shaded background ... not a green one. No? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

There are different practices for different types of discussions. Requested moves are usually closed with {{RM top}} which has green background. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you are thinking of {{Archive top}}. There are also other colors, e.g. {{Afd top}} and {{Cfd top}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:00, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. If my memory serves, I always remembered "closed" discussions being highlighted in purple. Maybe I am thinking of "deletion" discussions? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you just mostly read pages where purple is used. You are active on the reference desks and they use {{Archive top}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I never realized this. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Resolved

Source translation

Hi. I'm getting back into editing Wikipedia after a period of inactivity. For the article I am working on, I would like to translate a paragraph of a German source into English - I can't remember whether or not there are pages on enwp where one can request a translation like this? Thanks, Acather96 (click here to contact me) 20:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Not something I have used, but you may be able to get someone to translate for you from Wikipedia:Translators_available#German-to-English or Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Translators. Meters (talk) 22:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Hmm... WP:TRANSLATETOHERE mentions that this "is not for requesting translations of copyrighted sources outside Wikipedia" so I may have mislead you. Meters (talk) 22:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks - thankfully the source is now a public domain work so I'll try and pursue this avenue. :) Acather96 (click here to contact me) 22:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Page Title Change

Yesterday I created a page for Luella Buros and entitled it Luella Gubrud Buros. I added content and submitted the new page for review. It says that I can still edit it but I seem to be unable to edit her name in the title so that it does not include her middle name. I believe that most people will not search using her middle name.

Is there a way to take it out of the review que and start over?

Thank you,

Hsnodgrass3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsnodgrass3 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hsnodgrass3: The title is changed by moving the page. 'Move' is available via the 'more' tab at he top of the page. It is available once your account is 4 days old and you have made 10 valid edits to mainspace. I am not certain that your account has quite reached the criteria so I have moved the page for you, to Draft:Luella Buros. It is now awaiting review. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 22:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Upload an image I own and need to protect my copyright

I need to replace an old image previously posted by someone else. I own the old and new / updated image. I don't want to upload the new image to Wiki Commons because I want to protect the copyright. I am a Wiki newbie and have found the info on copyrights, etc pretty overwhelming. ANy help would be appreciated. Thank you. Gene Bender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTXW — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbend (talk • contribs) 22:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

If you are referring to a logo, the advice is at WP:Logos. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Gbend: In a narrow technical sense, you should not upload it at all. You have a conflict of interest. Someone else should upload it. An image uploaded under a fair-use rationale does not need permission of the copyright owner, so anyone can upload it. The fact that you are the copyright owner may somehow imply that you are not not using the fair-use criteria, but are instead trying to grant some other sort of permission or impose some other sort of restriction, and we do not accept uploads under those conditions. Although not specifically oriented toward images, please read and comply with WP:PAID if you have been compensated in any way (as an employee or contractor) by KTXW or some business associated with it, and refrain from directly editing the article. We do welcome any suggestion for improvement that you might make, but you must make it on the article's talk page: See WP:COI. I think this extends to uploading of a replacement logo. It certainly includes adding that new logo to the article. -Arch dude (talk) 04:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)