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October 26

Newbie, occasional edits: trying to understand edits query

Wikipedia/Anne Jeffries, I added a small addition to the first line of her BIO as the entry line was too short. I added she was most known for the female lead in the 1950's tv series, "Topper". I said it was a minor edit. Added description of the edit and hit PUBLISH. What I don't understand, is the edit did not show. Does it have to be approved by the Wiki board being the first line in the BIO? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talk • contribs) 03:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: you added it inside the {{short description}} template. You should have added it to the actual text of the lede. As an exersize, please revert you edit and then add it back in the correct place. This is a little bigger than a "minor" edit. I will check back later and fix it up if you don't succeed. -Arch dude (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. John R — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talk • contribs) 06:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sir, I did not see where you are talking about adding the short text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talk • contribs) 06:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

It isn't a big deal. I'm new to this. no problem if its just left out. —

 Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talk • contribs) 06:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: Click 'edit source' at the top of the article. You will then see a template 'short description' at the very top of the source; (this does not display on the rendered page). Remove your text from there and place it in the lead as suggested by Arch Dude. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I see "edit this page" (in Catalina), is that what I click first? Once I click it, the only place I see to add copy is within the double brackets at the top of the edit page. But you keep telling me "lead". What is the lead, but where I placed the text the first time? But it doesn't show up there. What is this "lead" you keep referring?BlackXacto (talk) 09:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

The "lede" or "lead section" is the summary introduction section with which many wikipedia articles start, if they're long enough - see MOS:LEAD. Mikenorton (talk) 09:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: As you seem to be struggling a bit to get to grips with what's required, I have fixed it with this edit. Click on that link to see what has been changed. Eagleash (talk) 14:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Check out my view of the Wikipedia Page before I press "edit this page" at top: https://www.flickr.com/photos/83082658@N00/50535674822/in/dateposted-public/ Now check out what I see pressing "edit this page" https://www.flickr.com/photos/83082658@N00/50535531656/in/dateposted-public/ Now tell me where this lede is on the edit page? I continue to see nothing about "lede" You people must be editing on PCs, I am not using a PC.BlackXacto (talk) 03:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

BlackXacto, The lede is the text before the first section heading. It would be the sentence Anne Jeffreys (born Annie Jeffreys Carmichael; January 26, 1923 – September 27, 2017) was an American actress and singer. She was noted as the female lead in the 1950s TV series Topper. Formatting and citations removed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Again look at the edit page i captured in the flickr link above, where do you see that sentence you keep telling me is there? I do not see that sentence on the edit pager. Look at the link i sent, please.BlackXacto (talk) 06:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: Again, look at the sentence I quoted. It's there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• There doesn't seem to be an issue with the flickr link; it's clearly there. All this is now rather 'moot' as I fixed it nearly 24 hours ago. BlackXacto did you check this link as posted above to show you what had been changed to correct the error. If you are having device issues please let us know what type of device you are using (including software / browser) as someone may be able to assist. Eagleash (talk) 10:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Referencing a birth records search

Is there any guidance on how to reference a birth records search that doesn't have a permanent url? Hack (talk) 03:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hack, is it not possible to create an archived version of the link that would lead to the source? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hack: For data accessed on a dynamic web site, you may need to get creative. Use the most specific URL of the lookup page, and provide the search terms you used. Example: This is a made-up example, since Worldcat actually has usable record-level URLs. -Arch dude (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

References

@Hack: There is a larger issue here. Birth records are WP:PRIMARY, and your use and interpretation of them may constitute WP:OR, which is a no-no. -Arch dude (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Username and Edit source issues on my account

hello, i have recently updated a broken link with a new link through updating the same content it existed before with better quality. Its been removed in wikipage after some hours once i published. I am troubleshooting the issue but still didn't found it. Kindly help me for the same i am doubting that my username has some issue or might be i done some mistake while editing in Edit source of page. my username : loomled the link i have edited is shown below:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_tube where i replaced this [ Wayback Archive of ; "Sunlight in a tube", World Science, 2005] with https://www.loomled.com/blogs/r-d-news/sunlight-through-a-tube please guide me for the same best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoomLed (talk • contribs) 06:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@LoomLed: Your edit was partially reverted, restoring the wayback archive link (which worked) but leaving out the broken link. —teb728 t c 07:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@LoomLed: Perhaps part of the reason you were reverted was that in view of your username the other user felt you were WP:linkspaming to loomled.com —teb728 t c 08:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Deletion

How do I delete my work — Preceding unsigned comment added by KESHA69 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

KESHA69 I'm not sure, but WP:UNDO may be what you're after. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@KESHA69: You cannot delete your edits from the history. Each time you submitted an edit by hitting the "publish" button, you agreed to licence your work under the CC-BY-SA copyright licence, and others may have then made additional modifications that incorporate that work, so it is both logistically difficult and against our philosophy to actually delete edits as a general rule. If your goal is to disappear, you can choose to vanish: see WP:VANISH. If you have some other goal, then please tell us what it is. -Arch dude (talk) 15:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How to add interlanguage links with a mobile phone

I've read the article about adding interlanguage links in articles (Help:Interlanguage links), and it says that to do that I have to click the "edit links" button on the side bar Languages section. But I'm using a mobile browser and there's no "edit links" button. There is no side bar. The mobile version only has a button that's supposed to lead you to the page where you can choose which foreign language of that article you'd like to go to, but on a mobile browser that button is just paled and when tapped only shows "this article is not available in other languages". What did I miss? Colathewikian (talk) 09:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that is a facility that is available in the mobile app, Colathewikian. I think you have to go into desktop mode (which sems to be two stages for me: first pick "View this article in browser" and then "Desktop"). Cullen328 regularly edits from a mobile, so he may be able to give you more information. --ColinFine (talk) 13:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I do about 99% of my editing on an Android smartphone, and I always use the fully functional desktop site, which works just fine on my phone. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing of article's title

Dear Help desk team,

I need help with changing the title of the following site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECl@ss The notation has been changed as of October 1st, 2020. The notation now is - ECLASS. I tried changing the title but I was unable to, so that's why I wanted to ask for your help. Unfortunately I can only make changes to the text of this article. Can you please also change the spelling in the URL into ECLASS instead of ECl@ss. Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mina998 (talk • contribs) 10:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mina998: Done. If you are employed by or otherwise compensated by ECLASS or a related entity, you must declare your status and refrain from direct editing of the article as a condition of continuing to use this web site: see WP:PAID. -Arch dude (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Saved reading Lists on Browser?

Using Wikipedia on several devices

Galaxy Pad, Galaxy Phone - which both have reading lists & ability to add to them

Can't see how you access the lists (if you can) via the web browser - Chrome on Chromebook

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 10:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid you can't, Thetiesthatbind. See mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Reading lists. --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

thanks for clearing that up Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thetiesthatbind: You can maintain a reading list on a subpage of your user page (e.g., User:Thetiesthatbind/reading) by editing that subpage. The subpage is maintained on the Wikipedia servers, not on your local device, and is therefore available via all browsers and apps. -Arch dude (talk) 16:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

went to google store & downloaded the app, which works fine on the chromebook should have thought about it before - cheers anyway

but would appreciate more idiot compatible instructions on how to do what you say

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Rename image file please

Hello, please will an adminstrator rename this image file which I have just uploaded, to correct a typo:

From: 1970 portrait of Queen Qlizabeth II by John Townsend.jpg

To: 1970 portrait of Queen Elizabeth II by John Townsend.jpg

Thanks Douglal (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done - X201 (talk) 12:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Huggle Bot made reversion of my transclusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Accounting_network&type=revision&diff=985534980&oldid=985534937

I made the following edit on the Accounting network page to change the Big Four paragraph from a standalone paragraph to a transclusion of the introduction on the Big Four accounting firm article so that the content stays in sync and up to date. User:Materialscientist then auto reverted it with a bot/script Wikipedia:Huggle.

Before I go make the edit again only to have the bot auto revert me... can someone explain if I had actually done anything wrong? False positive by the bot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CDB-Man (talk • contribs) 14:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Looking again, it seems that 1 minute later, he reverted his revert, so my edit now stands if I'm not mistaken (a confirmation that I got this right would be great). CDB-Man (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How to obtain a list of internal/ external links from a wikipedia page

I was wondering if anyone can help me understand how I could retrieve a list of the internal/ external wikilinks/ hyperlinks on a Wikipedia page, particularly the page on conversion therapy. Or to see the web tree of the article page? I want to understand what currently is linked to the page as to better see current linked ideas/ potential gaps.

I know there is a "what links here" tool option, but I am essentially interested in the reverse of that tool.

Thanks for any help anyone can give! Jamzze (talk) 15:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

IMO such a tool has not been writtten yet. You can either :

1. Run API-Queries until you get all (fist query)
2. Examine the page's HTML source code (within <div class="mw-parser-output">...</div>)
3. Let Special:ExpandTemplates expand the page's wikitext code and search within that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

See quarry:query/49357. The only thing you need to change to examine other pages is the page_title comparison on the third line. —Cryptic 17:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Cryptic! This is fantastic Jamzze (talk) 10:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I can't upload my interview with my sources on Wikipedia

Hello,

I work for Wikipedia through Report for America. My job is to fill in news and information gaps. My manager said that I can upload MP3 files of my interviews of the sources of my topics such as Alvin C. Jacobs to their articles so that I can site my information. However, I cannot upload my MP3 files for whatever reason.

Could you help me understand what I need to do for this issues, these are my interviews alone, that I've done via Zoom, using Hindenburg to record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dante N Miller (talk • contribs) 2020-10-26T17:00:15 (UTC)

There would be little point in doing so, as interviews are not considered reliable or independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Don't, Dante N Miller. If they have been published, then you can cite them - though as Theroadislong says, they are of limited use as references because they are primary sources; and furthermore, citing your own work is regarded as a conflict of interest. The more general issue is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves.

If the interviews have not been published, then they may not be used in any way in Wikipedia: that would be original research. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dante N Miller: What does "work for Wikipedia" mean? Is the "Report for America" (see Steven Waldman) paying you to edit? If so, you need to disclose this. See WP:PAID. You do not work for "Wikipedia" and you probably do not work for the Wikimedia Foundation. If "filling in the gaps" is fulfill some sort of agenda, then you should not edit Wikipedia at all. -Arch dude (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Your manager has no idea whatsoever how Wikipedia works if he believes that unpublished interviews are acceptable sources for anything on Wikipedia. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 17:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

https://www.facebook.com/margie.boweswilburn Middle name Marie! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duke4172 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Duke 4172: I have fixed the ref errors and one or two formatting anomalies. Please note Facebook is not accepted as a source; see WP:UGC. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Unable to watch videos on iPad

On Wikipedia videos I keep getting this error message In order to view videos from this site on an iPhone or iPad, you need the free VLC app. Download the VLC app from the App Store Open this video in the VLC app Download this video I have installed app but still get error message on Safari iPad Air 2 operating system 13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.180.90 (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I can't recall seeing a single video on this site and I've been editing for over ten years. But you can go to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to ask them. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)}

Videos are rare on Wikipedia, but they do exist. See Help:Media (audio and video) for help. We have no specific help for using the VLC app on the iPad: that is an iPad problem, not a Wikipedia problem. We use well-documented open source video formats and we can only speculate on how a proprietary app does or does not work with them. You might try asking over at WP:RD/C. -Arch dude (talk) 04:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I think that's a matter of opinion; if Wikipedia can't support one of the most popular tablets of all time, it very much is a Wikipedia problem, and your comment is kind of like "We have no specific support for VHS, that is a VHS problem, not a Betamax problem. We use well-designed video cassette formats like Betamax and we can only speculate on how a poorer system like VHS does not work with them." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Considering that Wikipedia and the file formats it uses predate the iPad, it really is a problem on the Apple end that their tablet doesn't work with existing websites. --Khajidha (talk) 13:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:Episode

I repeatedly raised a question, without finding answer. Recently I created List of Oteckovia episodes and I need to copy all its content of Slovak version in the wikitable. This did not work by myself. Instead, by using Template:Episode, the English article should be completed by coping them. The Supermind (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, The Supermind, I don't understand what you are asking, and I don't see where you have raised the question before. {{Episode}} (which is a redirect to {{Episode needed}}) is for tagging some text to say that some information is incomplete or unsourced without the episode being identified. That doesn't sound like what you want. --ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@The Supermind: I'm guessing that you are looking for the equivalent of sk:Template:Časť (TV seriál), which is used for each row in the skwiki article. I looked at some of the articles in the category Category:Slovak television series, but the few that have episode lists use a different format. I would suggest just entering the episode data using standard table syntax. You could re-create the template here, but that's a bunch of extra work to translate the parameter names to English, and I see also that it uses HTML syntax (<tr>, <td>; some obsolete, like the <center> tags) instead of wiki table syntax, which should be changed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@The Supermind: Looking at List of Za sklom (TV series) episodes#Season 1 (2016), it uses {{Episode table}} and {{Episode list}}, which are somewhat configurable and may suit your needs. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Need Wikipedia to remove an unofficial Facebook page

Wikipedia created a Facebook page for our high school. It is not official and we would like it removed so more people are directed to our official Facebook page. How do we get Wikipedia to remove it? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.169.37 (talk) 21:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has nothing to do with Facebook pages. Wikipedia did not create the page, and we cannot help you with whoever did create it. Possibly Facebook can assist you. Meters (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

IIRC, at some point, Facebook created pages (on Facebook) by importing information from various places like Wikipedia. This was their action, not Wikipedia's, and you will need to contact Facebook if you want to remove or change it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:42, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia—such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook once had a topic on Community pages and profile connections (2011 archive) on their Help Center. The information may be obsolete. Seagull123 Φ 15:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Is Amazon a reliable source?

I'm working on an article on a television series and I think a "home media release" section would be neat to include, as per most of the articles on movies and series on Wikipedia. There are little published sources to use for such a section, but if the pages of the various DVD releases on Amazon constitute reliable sources, a section could be written. I could not find anything about this in the MOS and I am doubtful since Amazon is an online store, but it is used a source in some articles, such as Breaking Bad (season 2). Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ichthyovenator: Usually there are better sources than Amazon to source film releases, such as the Hollywood press. Amazon sources are frowned upon because of their potential for being commercial spam. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: If those better sources simply don't exist, for instance if the DVD releases were long ago and simply not talked about a lot in the media, would Amazon be okay to use (I assume not then)? The information that would be cited using Amazon in this case would be release dates and in which countries the DVDs were released. Ichthyovenator (talk) 09:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ichthyovenator: Some may consider it a non-controversial edit, but it is a way of getting a commercial link onto the site. Another option would be simply putting in the information but marking it with a citation needed template, and putting in the edit summary that the information came from Amazon but a better source is needed. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

The label accompanying the DVD itself could be a source, many are marked "For home use only" or similar wording. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Intellectual Property Infringement (#DeafTalent®)

Jade Bryan (talk) 23:11, 26 October 2020 (UTC)Hello. My name is Ann Marie Bryan,aka Jade. Is there anyway to remove this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeafTalent. Someone is using our trademark. This is a trademark infringement and I am the owner of the trademark.

Also, last year, I registered for that user name and someone blocked that user name. Can you please take it down because this a intellectual property infringement. I want to claim it back since I registered for it first and now have the trademark.

Please remove the use of our trademark on your wikipedia account that will likely cause misrepresentation in relation with distribution, advertising, identification, campaign, and sales of our products or services.

Thank you. Yours,

Jade Bryan

@Jade Bryan: I'm not a legal expert, but an article about a hashtag and its related movement are not trademark violations, any more than articles about Twinkies, Coca-Cola and Budweiser would be trademark violations. This is a free encyclopedia and no commercial value is taken from the trademark holder by the articles. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jade Bryan: Also, last year, I registered for that user name and someone blocked that user name. That would be because it was discovered to be a sockpuppet of yours. It also doubles as a promotional name which is against Wikipedia's username policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jade Bryan: Please review our policy on legal threats (WP:LEGAL). Discussions of intellectual property issues are not of themselves legal threats, so you have not crossed that line yet. However, As soon as any of us volunteers perceive something that appears to constitute a legal threat, we have no choice but to block your account from editing and direct you to interact with the legal staff of the WMF until you explicitly state that no legal threat is intended. -Arch dude (talk) 03:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

No legal threat is intended at this time. I am merely asking if there is a way to remove article due to trademark issue. I own the hashtag trademark and it too similar to our movement that the article. Please scroll up. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jade Bryan (talk • contribs) 04:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jade Bryan: As far as I can tell, our article DeafTalent is about the #DeafTalent hashtag, it's history, and purpose. It's an encyclopedic article and makes no attempt to impersonate or benefit from the subject, nor could it be written without identifying the subject correctly (by its hashtag), just like any encyclopedia or news article about copyrighted or trademarked subjects (examples given above). Our understanding is that this type of use is non-infringing (and, BTW, usually welcomed as free publicity). If you believe otherwise, you are arguing in the wrong place, with the wrong people. Please see the WMF contact page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Note: OP removed a link to a trademark certificate. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

That's what I wrote earlier that I came to the wrong place. I tried to delete all my posts cuz I have been trying to reach someone who could answer some concerns I have. Apparently not. I have also sent emails and haven't heard back from anyone. Clearly this page is not the right place for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jade Bryan (talk • contribs) 05:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Jade Bryan, posts can be deleted here if they haven't been responded to. I suggest you stop responding to this conversation if you would like it to die off. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. Jade Bryan (talk) 06:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC))