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August 18

Discontentment

I would like to reduce the level of the first TOC in List of television evangelists so that the letter subsections aren't displayed. However, the second (compact) TOC makes this difficult. Can this be done? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

The normal {{TOC limit|2}} worked fine but I also added |allowtoc=yes in case something changes.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 05:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

+1 for your choice of topic heading ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 12:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Refs numbers 4 and 5 are all wrong and I am confused. please fix - sorry, I have tried on this device. Thanks 114.76.112.84 (talk) 06:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

For one, you have as the publisher "Report of the Council - Volume 72 - Page 25books.google.com.au › books Leeds Philosophical and Literary Society"; simply edit this so that it says what you want it to say. In order to fix "Check date values in: |date=", simply change the shouty "AUTUMN" to civilized "Autumn". If your device doesn't permit this, what device is it? -- Hoary (talk) 06:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - I will try again, but I am finding it hard.....114.76.112.84 (talk) 08:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Keith D did it for you. Your "device" fascinates me. -- Hoary (talk) 05:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Page Previews

Hi,

for a personal project, I'm using the (dutch) Wikipedia-page of Belgian Beers (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_Belgische_bieren)

With copy-paste I could copy all the beers to an Excel-file. So far so good.

But I also want - in that Excel-file - a column with the URL of the image as seen with PagePreview when hoovering the name of the beer.

Where can I find this information?

Wim

Some comments:

It's a worthy objective, which I will gladly help you with. It won't help with contributing to Wikipedia, but this Help Desk is about "how to use or edit" Wikipedia, so I'll answer here.

When I hover (not "hoover") over those beer names, I don't see any images. That's because the articles that those names link to don't contain any images.

If I wanted to do this myself, I would write a Perl script to grab the wikisource of the page, parse it for the name and wikilink of each beer, grab the wikisource of each linked page, and parse that for the first image URL. That is not how Wikipedia itself provides the hover images, but is likely to give the same results. The script would, for each beer, output a line with the beer name, a separator (a tab would do), and a URL – I assume you could input such a file to Excel. Maproom (talk) 08:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding Userbox from another Project

What do I need to do to place this userbox from meta-wikimedia.org on my User Talk page? At the moment, I've simply pasted in the entire code, but would prefer it to be more elegant, with just one line and a properly functioning cross-wiki link. Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 10:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You cannot use userboxes or other templates from other wikis. You could make a version at Template:User Environmental Sustainability Covenant. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thanks - I tried and tried, but couldn't make it work on en-wiki. In that case I'll copy Bodhisattwa's script across, and make a new Userbox here. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Italic script for species

RE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichomonas_vaginalis On the English version of the article on Trichomonas_vaginalis one is presented with the binomial name in Italic script....which is the correct form! Unfortunately, other language versions don't use this form of script, for example Italian (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichomonas_vaginalis) and Irish Gaelic (https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichomonas_vaginalis), how can one correct these errors?Ériugena (talk) 10:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ériugena: The convention on English Wikipedia is explained at MOS:TAXON, which for species binomial names does mean that italics are used. I can't speak for other language Projects, which may well have their own rules. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

What makes you think that those Wikipedias have conventions to present the name in italic script? Do you have links to the relevant guidance? If they do have, you need to raise the question at those Wikipedias, not here on the English Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ériugena The binomial looks to be in italics in the Italian infobox, but not the Gallic one. I've not checked, but is this an issue across every taxon there on those wikis? If so, this would seem to be a style/formatting issue that would need to be discussed and addressed on those individual wikis, not here. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: "Gallic"? I did not know we had a Gaulish Wikipedia. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan Doh! I glanced at it to make sure I hadn't typed 'Garlic', but that's a far as my little brain could go after 4 days of online Wikimania! Nick Moyes (talk) 14:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd contribute to the garlic wikipedia. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

The Italian Wikipedia does not use italics in any page names. It was discussed at it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Corsivo nel titolo. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Citation within an explanatory note

Hey, so I've just added explanatory notes to the article "Murder of Cameron Blair", and in the first of them I tried to include citations. It didn't work... are they best left out of notes entirely, or have I gone wrong? Best, Xx78900 (talk) 12:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Xx78900, it's a bit tricky to put footnotes inside of notes. See Wikipedia:Nesting footnotes for how to do it. StarryGrandma (talk) 14:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Brooklyn Bushwicks

As a kid growing up in Woodhaven, Queens (at the Brooklyn-Queens border) I spent many Sundays with my dad going to Bushwick doubleheaders. We lived close enough to walk to Dexter Park. I wish I could remember the date, but we went to a game where NY Yankee pitcher Whitey Ford, who recently died, played for the US Army team against the Bushwicks and hit a triple. In your article, it was noted that several Yankee stars, Joe DiMaggio, Babe Ruth & Lou Gehrig had also appeared there and thought you might be able to add Ford to the article. It had to be in the early 50's, probably during the Korean War. I remember the names of two teams I watched play there, The Philly Stars and The House of David. There was also some kind of "clown team" but I don't remember their name. Thanks. Walt Hughes Cincinnati, Ohio

I have added Whitey Ford to the Brooklyn Bushwicks article. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Cite sketch

In 1825 the Revd John Skinner made a sketch of the Skerne Bridge, included it in his 'Record of a Journey through the North of England', and left it (with 145 other volumes) to - eventually - the British Library. The BL gave it a catalogue number 'Add MS 33684, f. 89'. What is the most appropriate way to cite this sketch? --Verbarson (talk) 16:11, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Why do you want to cite it? Ruslik_Zero 20:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

It is the earliest picture of the bridge, and the only one showing it in its original form. A black-and-white photo/scan of it can be seen here but I have obtained a colour version from the BL and I am requesting permission to upload it to Commons. Whether I get permission or not, I want to record the existence and location of the picture, so that those who are interested can locate it (it took me a nearly three months just to confirm who actually held the original).--Verbarson (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Verbarson: The Additional manuscripts collection of the British Library is so well known that a citation of the form 'Add MS 33684, f. 89' would be considered sufficient in most relevant scholarly journals. I do not know what our policy is. As a minimum, you might try just linking the "Add Ms" part, like this: Add MS 33684, f. 89. Since we don't have a space constraint, you can just expand that as "catalogue number 33684 in the Additional manuscripts collection of the British Library, folio 89." -Arch dude (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Verbarson: I do not think the WMF's lawyers believe that the BL, or anyone else, has the authority to grant or deny your right to copy and upload that material. If you have a copy of it in any form, Just upload it as either a work in the public domain, or as a faithful copy of a 2D work that is more than 100 years old. -Arch dude (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I am aware of the 'Coetzee case', and I have just looked up the UK IPO guidance on the matter, from which it looks as if a straightforward photo of an out-of-copyright work gains no additional copyright (with usual IANAL disclaimer). However, since I have requested permission, I will wait and see what happens, and if they say 'no' I'll suggest that they do not have a leg to stand on. Unlike Mr Coetzee, I am a UK citizen and resident and not in a position to thumb my nose at them too egregiously! --Verbarson (talk) 09:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Report User

Hi, I am Ram Dhaneesh Here are some troubles by user MT731, Troubles are,

• Bokaro Steel City is a Urban Agglomeration in Jharkhand state of India, actually the article is about the city, I moved the page to Bokaro Steel City to Bokaro, Jharkhand for the article name should be proper and easy to identify the city, but User:MT731 is reverted again. So please do any action.
• 2 nd trouble is he is continuously reverting or undoing sourced edits in List of million-plus urban agglomerations in India, without citing any sources.

Already I warned the user, but he is doing again and again so please do any action over user, Thank you Ram Dhaneesh (talk) 16:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ram Dhaneesh: This is not the correct place to report other users. If you have already tried discussing the issue with the user, and there was no change in behavior, then you should bring this to the Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents page. Please read the instructions in the page before creating a new section there. Isabelle ^🔔 17:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

FYI - the other editor finally responded and apologized, after numerous warnings on his talk page. If the behavior continues, Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents is the way to go. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Ciao ti scrivo in italiano cosi e piu facile per te capire la faccio presente che la storia e le date storiche non possono essere cambiate per gioco della politica la faccio presente che tutto cio` che riguarda Mondragone in italia nella provincia di caserta e pubblicazioni su questo link sono di natura FAKE e nella loro falsita si appropriano di cose che riguardano altri comuni e territori come la famosa SINUESSA la antica citta` non ha niente a che fare con Mondragone ed e Nel comune di Sessa Aurunca ancor prima che Mondragone esistesse sulla cartina inquando a cio` che pubblicate e le tante annotazione Fasulle riguardando cio` che vogliono e volte attribuire a Mondragone. Non e` pveritiero.La faccio presente che Sessa Aurunca piu antica di Roma e ha un territorio superiore a Parigi ed e facile per chi non lo sappia di confonderlo come un posto ignoto messo da parte e quasi e inesistente grazie alla vostra copia e incolla prettamente sbagliata nei confonti della storia e di questa cittadina . inquando al famoso ponte del garigliano e nel comune di sessa aurunca non latina . la domiziana nasce nel comune di sessa auruncas non minturno e Mondragone dal suo lato si appropria di cose che riguardano un altro territirio mi spiega lei come mai i comuni confinanti con Sessa Aurunca SCAVALCANO la loro identita` e voi complici narrate cose false e nessuno abbia mai indacato.

Hello. This is the English Wikipedia. Please post your question in English. If you need help with the Italian Wikipedia, it is at it:Aiuto:Sportello_informazioni RudolfRed (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

With my basic Italian and DeepL at hand, it is still quite hard to understand the above complaint. The best I can understand is that they think the ancient city of Sinuessa is not located near current-day Mondragone but rather near Sessa Aurunca. Due to the absence of sources either here or in the article, and my entire ignorance of the history and geography at hand, I cannot say whether that is correct or not. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help fixing table

Need someone to help edit this list article I made. The dates in the column of "Date of rank" are all misaligned despite being set to align="right". I want to get that alignment fixed so that it looks like the other lists I created and those I have tried to emulate in style. I've tried for a while but can't seem to find the issue. Is there anyone who knows enough about this kind of thing that can fix the issue without changing the table format to look different from those on the aforementioned list articles, at least visually? SuperWIKI (talk) 19:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I suggest that putting the same amount of data in each cell would help. Some have 2-digit dates, some 1-digit, and some only have a month. In any case, when I view the table (default Vector skin) the dates get wrapped to fit in small columns, so the benefits of 'lining up' are largely lost.--Verbarson (talk) 19:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

References

I would like to find out how to edit references. I clicked on edit but I cannot edit the reference list, How can I edit in the text. My article is in draft.--HilmaErastus (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HilmaErastus. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

HilmaErastus, in the Visual Editor click on the reference number in the text (such as [1]. This will bring up a box displaying the reference, with a link saying Edit in the upper right corner. Then click Edit. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Please, help me to establish my name on WIKI!

Dear Sir or madame, please help me. point me in a right direction, about how to start? I found my name on Google, and it was listed on Wikipedia.

But there is a question,  do I want to add my photo and article to Wikipedia?

I started and login to my account, but now I dont see this question anymore.

Please help, how to to start?

Thank you

La Femme DC — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaFemmeDC (talk • contribs) 19:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

The short answer is "don't start". For more detail, read WP:AUTO--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

posting re Filter 869 (Abusefilter warning)

This is to request that this talk page posting be passed along. Pi314m (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Pi314m: Thanks - I tagged an editor who is active with that filter. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)