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February 3

Edits getting deleted

Hi, I'm trying to update historical information for a university and I'm including citations, but it keeps getting deleted. What do I need to do to ensure that it is approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.103.246 (talk) 00:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

The edit summary for one of the reversions (by ElKevbo) reads "(rv copyvios (https://www.csusm.edu/pdc/campus-master-plan/campus_history.html))". "Copyvio" is shorthand for "copyright violation". It seems that you copied material from csusm.edu, material that the university neither explicitly released under a copyleft license acceptable here nor to which it explicitly waived copyright. But copyright matters aside, what we want is not what an institution says about itself but instead what independent (but reliable) sources say about the institution. -- Hoary (talk) 00:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Hoary. You're exactly right. The primary reason I removed that material was because it appears to have been copied directly from the university's website. Wikipedia is not only the encyclopedia that anyone can edit it's also the encyclopedia that anyone can copy and reuse. That means that we can only accept edits that editors freely create and contribute to the encyclopedia under our licensing terms (that permit further copy and reuse by anyone) or that are already freely available for use and reuse by anyone. Most materials that are available on websites are not freely available for use and reuse; they're copyrighted by default.

The second issue that you raise - what we want to include in articles - is a more complicated issue. Editors have created some advice about article contents specific to articles about colleges and universities that might be helpful. ElKevbo (talk) 01:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Edit of Northwestern Mutual Company Shows

So I saw that there was a list of shows that NM puts on each year. In 2019 Jimmy Buffett played for Annual Meeting, as I am an NM employee, I was there. I added it to the list and then got a note saying "I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Northwestern Mutual—because it did not appear constructive." from Fuzheado. I figured since it was shared up there on the page, it should have been kept.

Thank you much, Nick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestern_Mutual#Company_Shows — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.99.94 (talk) 00:29, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, the best place to post your suggestions and concerns is the article talk page, Talk:Northwestern Mutual. Be sure to invite Fuzheado to the conversation. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Creating a super-category

I would like to expande on Category:Anti-natalists as such:

Childless > Childfree > Anti-natalists

May I do this? If yes, I'm not certain how to go about all this, specially the sub-categorizations.

Do I just go ahead and create Categories Childless and Childfree ? Would Category:Childless be considered over-categorizing?-- － Cy21 ➜ discuss 12:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Edit : I realize anti-natalist is an ideology, so it is not related. Categories would be only Childless > Childfree (Sorry, I was searching for a list of famous childless people and somehow got mixed up the the existing anti-natalisme category.) － Cy21 ➜ discuss 20:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

How to change a mistake in name

Dear Wikepedia Help Desk

Wonder if you could kindly help with the question below.

How is it possible to change a mistake in the name in the article below Yuval Stonis

The correct name in English is Yuval Stunis.

Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.175.21.50 (talk) 12:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are titled using the most common name for a subject, not necessarily a legal or official title. If most independent reliable sources use the spelling that you offer here, you may request a page move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Alvin the Architect - Music Artist

I hope all is well! I've been trying to create an artist page for the artist, Alvin the Architect. Although, the page continues and continues to be denied. I would love some insight and feedback about what exactly would need to be done in order for the page to be accepted.

Thank you for your time, Alvin Laguerre — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvinthearchitect (talk • contribs) 13:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

This user has been blocked indefinitely for spam. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:54, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Political slant.

Although I have donated to Wikipedia in the past, I will no longer do so. Articles about certain people are written by others with a political slant. One's opponent (or opponent party) should never be allowed to write and submit as "factual" an article describing that person. For example, I read the article/biography of Marjory Taylor Green, and found it cast a very negative and NOT factual description of her and her beliefs. Sorry, unless you can find a way to be sure articles about people are neutral, I will no longer support you. (And yes, I attempted to edit the article but it would not let me). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Taylor_Greene — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.95.96.16 (talk) 15:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia article summarize what independent reliable sources state, not "factual descriptions of her and her beliefs". If you don't like what independent reliable sources say about Rep. Greene, you will need to take that up with them. Donating or withholding donations has no impact on Wikipedia content, as if it did, this would cease to be a neutral encyclopedia. Wikipedia, however, does not claim to be free of bias. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia; those sources are presented so you can judge the sources for yourself as to bias. 331dot (talk) 15:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I would strongly suggest finding a different topic area to edit in. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 18:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Looks pretty factual to me. If you have "alternative facts" you can discuss them at the article's talk page, but take note of Bori's warning. Be prepared to back your arguments with real evidence (you know evidence, the kind of thing that was lacking for claims of pizzagate, stop the steal, jewish space lasers, etc.?). "I attempted to edit the article but it would not let me" = page protection is working as intended. Speaking as someone who has had requests declined at RFPP, it’s not something we do willy-nilly, even in topic areas with discretionary sanctions.

Im not a fan of saying "Soandso is a plumber and a conspiracy theorist" as if the latter was a job rather than a mindset. But on the other hand, some people seem to be making money (not just increased notoriety) by promoting certain views, so maybe it can be part of one's job? And we do say somebody is "a Wikipedian" even though for most of us that’s a hobby not employment. (If it’s a difference between saying that someone is "a conspiracy theorist" versus "has become famous for promoting conspiracy theories", does it matter?)

— Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:42 Thu 04, AEDT) 20:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Trans people's Wikipedia entries

I noticed that Fallon Fox's Wikipedia entry is locked to prevent vandalism.

I also noticed that the opener to 'Early Life': "Fox was born (as a boy) in Toledo, Ohio."

The appropriate way to address that is, "Fox was born in Toledo, Ohio, where she was assigned male at birth."

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:199:4300:4354:4D0D:9722:FE2:1F50 (talk) 17:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. You may wish to address this concern on the article talk page, Talk:Fallon Fox. If you make it as a formal edit request it will attract more attention to your request. 331dot (talk) 17:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

In the future you should make these sorts of itmes as edit requests, as 331dot points out. However, Wikipedia is not a bureacracy so I just went ahead and made the change anyway because it seemed sensible. AdmiralEek (talk) 18:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Articles without talk pages

Is there a way to find a list of articles without talk pages? This would be useful, for instance, to find pages that need to be tagged with relevant WikiProjects. It seems as though there's probably a way to do this, but I can't figure out what it is. Thanks! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:59, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

AFAIK the only option is to go through Special:AllPages, load everyone up, and check if the talkpage link is blue. The proccess might be a bit faster if you use the API, sicne you can query 500 at a time. If it shall be a bit faster, and you are only interested in new pages, You can try Special:NewPages with the same brute-force-method (there is no API call for this). Maybe some of the database experts here can also create a database query (If there is a method - I don't know). Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Extraordinary Writ: There is in fact a way to create a database query for this: see this one. If you fork the query, you can adjust the LIMIT to display a different number of pages, and you can filter to certain categories by using a query like this one (filtering to unsourced articles). Vahurzpu (talk) 19:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Extraordinary Writ: You could use WP:AWB to find a list of all the pages in a category, convert the list to Talk pages, and preparse the list to skip pages that exist. Then you could go through the remaining list of non existent talk pages and append the appropriate WikiProject banner(s). GoingBatty (talk) 02:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to all for their suggestions. It looks like there's no easy solution, although the AWB route might be workable. (What would really be useful is a special page, but those sorts of things are really beyond my ken.) I might put in a request at WP:AWBTASKS. If only things were simpler... Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

On January 31, 2021, I requested permission to use the Auto Wiki Browser. Nobody replied to me and a user has canceled all requests that have not received a response. How can I solve the problem? Dr Salvus (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC)Dr SalvusDr Salvus (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: I tried looking at the diffs on the AWB permissions request page, and I am not clear on why your request was removed. I suggest reposting your request. RudolfRed (talk) 20:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: Maybe your request [1] was removed in [2] because you didn't sign. Your second request [3] has a messed up signature and is worse than the first. Your post here also has a bad signature, and a wrong link to mainspace. I don't know how they evaluate requests but I would be very hesitant to give it based on your poor requests. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

National Amateur Boxing Featherweight Champions

in 1953 the name should be Bob Tenequer Lawton, OK. if you can correct this please this is my father — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.42.160 (talk) 20:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Assuming this is regarding List of United States national amateur boxing featherweight champions. It looks like we have Bo Tenequer instead of Bob Tenequer. Could you point us in the direction of a newspaper article about his victory or some other reliable source for the correct spelling? If so, I'd be happy to fix it for you. For future reference, the preferred location for this sort of query is the talk page of the affected article. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:53, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

An Asbury Park Press newspaper clipping gives the right spelling: "Bob Tenequer of Lawton, Okla. ... Tenequer, who won the National AAU title in Boston ..." I have corrected the list. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Bonus: Noticed some vandalism as a result. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)