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January 13

Translation wanted

I have found that there are articles about traditional Latvian grey peas over at the Lithuanian Wikipedia (lt:Pilkieji žirniai) and the Russian Wikipedia (ru:Серый горох). I'd like to translate either of them into English but unfortunately I don't understand either Lithuanian or Russian. Is there some place I could post a translation request, or should I try to use Google Translate first and then correct the errors in the English text myself? JIP | Talk 01:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@JIP: Those are both options. You can't use a machine translation directly, but you may start with a machine translation and then edit it to good quality. See WP:TRANSLATE for guidance on how to translate articles, including how to attribute the source article. Alternatively (or in addition), there is Wikipedia:Translators_available, which lists Wikipedia editors who are willing to help translate articles. If you can find one for the language you are interested in, you can post on that editor's talk page to see if they will help you. RudolfRed (talk) 04:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I found that the Lithuanian article seems to be more comprehensive than the Russian one, so I think I can start with either trying to contact a Lithuanian translator or trying to Google Translate it and fix the translation errors myself. JIP | Talk 04:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The new article is available here: Grey peas. Feel free to fix any translation errors or otherwise fix the article. JIP | Talk 02:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

What's the difference between "authorship" and "top edits" in page history of "Xtools" site?

What's the difference between "authorship" and "top edits" in page history of "Xtools" site?

Example Rizosome (talk) 02:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rizosome, there will be three things you'll see on xtools for any specific article, "top 10 by edits", "top 10 by added text" and "authorship". The first two are pretty self explainatory - the first is the amount of edits users have, for example on that one, one user has 151 edits. The second is the total amount of bytes added from these contributions.

Authorship is the ratio of the current article that is written by each user. So, 30% of the current edition of the article is written by the first user (along with how many bytes that is). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski Please simplify "authorship" only. Rizosome (talk) 16:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The amount of the text in the current revision of the article that is written by each user. Rizosome. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

Wikipedia is broken, why no one wants to fix it?

[quote="PrimeHunter (talk) 09:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)"]Graphs made with mw:Extension:Graph require JavaScript in your browser now.[/quote]

When will you be able to fix it?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Firdaus Bin Mohammad (talk) 10:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.187.94.75 (talk)

What error need to be fixed? Please specify clearly. Rizosome (talk) 03:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The error I want fixed

... is that all charts everywhere are missing.

When can you fix it to make it like it was a week ago? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.187.94.75 (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

We've answered this already. As PrimeHunter said:

Graphs made with mw:Extension:Graph require JavaScript in your browser now. A January 8 post at phab:T242855 says "Drop ability to attempt server-side rendering with Graphoid".

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand what this means

FYI

 – Merging section with above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

"A January 8 post at phab:T242855 says "Drop ability to attempt server-side rendering with Graphoid"."

Can you please explain that. Can you fix the error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.187.94.75 (talk) 03:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

It means you must enable JavaScript to see graphs on Wikipedia. There is no other solution. RudolfRed (talk) 04:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It means that you must enable JavaScript to see the graphs. The developers have removed the server-side code that was trying to build and serve the graphs dynamically to browsers that have JavaScript disabled. Presumably, that server-side code was either too processor-intensive or too buggy to justify continued support. Thus, this inability is not a error, it is a deliberate decision on the part of the developers. -Arch dude (talk) 04:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Most web browsers have Javascript enabled by default. If you can't see the graphs, either you are using a (rare) non-Javascript browser, or you have disabled Javascript on your browser. --ColinFine (talk) 11:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

List of all people

I'm trying to compile a list of all people with Wiki pages, and I'm surprised such a thing doesn't already exist. Is there a list or some identifier that all pages for humans fall under?

Thank you!

Charles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesaverill (talk • contribs) 06:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

You must have a lot of time. There is no real benefit to having a single, gigantic list. (The One List is just as bad as the One Ring.) Lists of people breaks it down into lots of more manageable sublists. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:SALAT: "Lists that are too general or too broad in scope have little value, unless they are split into sections." Clarityfiend (talk) 06:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Charles. The Biography WikiProject manages about 1.8 million articles about people through templates and categories. You can browse their subcategories on their project page [[1]]. Orville^talk 07:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Charlesaverill: Your list will have 1.8 million or more entries, which if printed one per line will occupy about 32 thousand pages or about 32 large volumes if printed. Any reasonable use of such a list would use a database. We already have that database. It's called Wikidata. Go to Wikidata and create a query for all items that are an instance of "human" and that have an entry on the English Wikipedia to create your list, or learn to make more specific queries to actually get specific information. -Arch dude (talk) 17:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Charlesaverill: Wikidata can be intimidating (at least to me). Go to its main page at d:Wikidata:Main_Page and look around from there to get started. You will probably eventually arrive at d:Wikidata:SPARQL query service/A gentle introduction to the Wikidata Query Service, where you are guided through some queries. Pulling out just the ones with an English Wikipedia article is more advanced, but will look something like ?wp schema:isPartOf <https://en.wikipedia.org/>. -Arch dude (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Declined Article Submittion

After declining submitted article, I edited it and now I don't know how to re-submitt it again. I was not able to find an appropriate action button, could you please help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelWazosky (talk • contribs) 10:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

MichaelWazosky It looks like you figured it out, but the resubmit button is located in the notice that declined your draft; those need to remain on the draft until it is accepted. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Help with watchlist/recent changes display

Hi - in attempting to help another editor with their recent changes filter settings, I clicked on a link they provided which showed me their filter settings. Warning - don't click on it if you're not confident with fixing MediaWiki peculiarities! The link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?damaging=likelybad%3Bverylikelybad&goodfaith=likelybad%3Bverylikelybad&hidepreviousrevisions=1&limit=50&days=7&enhanced=1&damaging__likelybad_color=c3&damaging__verylikelybad_color=c5&goodfaith__likelybad_color=c3&goodfaith__verylikelybad_color=c5&urlversion=2 . Since clicking on it, my watchlist and recent changes feeds look rather strange. Normally, from left to right, I'd expect to see a bullet point, then (diff|hist) links, the name of the article, the date of the edit, the byte change, edit summary etc. Now, the order is jumbled up - at the left I have a large white space with a bullet point in the middle of it, then the time of the edit, then the name of the article, and only after that do I see the (diff|hist). This change also happened to Roxy the dog when they clicked on the link. I'm guessing that it's changed something in my preferences, but I've no idea what; I've looked at the MediaWiki documentation to see if I can figure it out, but nothing is jumping out at me. Any suggestions? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 10:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: Disable "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rc. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Sweet - that worked - thanks PrimeHunter! Roxy the dog, this should sort it. GirthSummit _(blether) 11:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Noted. Also, many thanks. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 13:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy dog here. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 13:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(I unlinked the potentially damaging link above so people don't accidentally create a problem for themselves, despite the warning. No offense intended.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Public url

public url — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.207.61 (talk) 11:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Please clarify what your post is about. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:35, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Requested Correction for Article Titled 'Starving Time'

Hi,

So I noticed that in paragraph 4 of the section 'Trading with the natives for food' of the Wikipedia article mentioned in the title, there is an event which was said to have happened on 'August 69'.

Obviously, this does not make sense. Although the reader may be able to infer that the date was supposed to mean 'August 1609', based on the context of the article (which describes a period in the early history of the colonial city of Jamestown), I think that it is best if this error is investigated and corrected as soon as possible.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.46.218.152 (talk • contribs) 2021-01-13T13:12:39 (UTC)

Thank you. This was a piece of petty vandalism that had gone unnoticed since last September. You could have corrected it yourself, but thank you for alerting us. I have undone the vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Left leaning, anti conservative

After looking up different things it is apparent that wikipedia is part of the left's strategy to shut off free speech . Why do you allow things from the left discrediting conservative speech based on opinion then lock those articles so they can not be edited ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:b123:75cd:0:44:8c7a:ff01 (talk)

Sounds like Conservapedia might be a better place for you. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Articles are protected from editing in order to prevent disruption. Wikipedia is a private organization that is free to have whatever content on its computers that it sees fit, just as you are permitted to have whatever rules you wish within the four walls of your residence. Wikipedia is not a free speech forum. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. If those sources are being summarizes incorrectly, or you have independent reliable sources with additional information, please offer them as an edit request on the article talk page, but be aware of WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE. If you are just here to push conservative talking points, you are going to have a difficult time here. If you are interested in civilly collaborating with others regardless of political viewpoint to arrive at a consensus as to what an article should say, you will be welcome. 331dot (talk) 15:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

How to suggest a picture be edited

I want to suggest a picture be edited. The page on wildstyle grafitti has a great example attributed to RIME But the webaddress in the upper right corner of the photo links to a porn site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildstyle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1DB0:43A0:C0C5:C182:E843:F8E2 (talk) 15:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we cannot do anything about that. It looks like jerseyjoeart dot com was Rime's former website, but it has since moved. However, the web address is not a watermark, but rather part of the graffiti itself. So, it would be like changing the signature on a painting. In general, we cannot alter photos except in very specific circumstances. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 15:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I wonder if it might be acceptable to simply crop enough of the right edge of the photo (which in any case does not appear to show 100% of the original artwork) to obscure the full address? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.40.9 (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata item exists but doesn't show on Wikipedia article page

I'm editing the article for Allied Artists Music Group and I'm trying to get the Authority Control to show up properly. There was no Wikidata item for the article, so I created one at Q104806762. I added the English Wikipedia article to the Wikidata entry for Engish Wikipedia pages. The "Page Information" shows the Wikidata reference number of Q104806762, but there is no "Wikidata Item" link under "Tools" on the left panel. Can anyone let me know if I need to do anything else to get the Wikidata information to propagate to the Wikipedia article? Is it just a matter of waiting? I'm really a neophyte when it comes to Wikidata entries interfacing with Wikipedia articles, so I appreciate any information anyone can give me. Thank you very much! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Warriorboy85: I forced the software to rethink the page by doing a null edit. Whether that helped, I don't know, but the "Wikidata Item" link and the authority control box are now present. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Yes, it worked perfectly! Thank you very much. I can't tell you how helpful this "Help Desk" is. I really appreciate everything you all do!--Warriorboy85 (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

Updating spouse details marriage & divorce info

I have tried updating the marriage and divorce dates of a BP’s (Troy Hunt) spouse (Kylie Hunt, formerly Kylie Bragg ref: www.kyliehunt.com) but it keeps getting rolled back (they separated in 2019 but divorced in 2020). I know the couple personally although wish to remain impartial and anonymous to alleviate any sense of taking sides. I have provided reference information but that does not seem to help. Adeline unicorn (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Adeline unicorn The only reference you provided was a link to Kylie's website. We need reliable, independant sources for the information. Think magazine or newspaper articles, or books. We also need more specific links to the information. For example, if the information you are citing is not on the main page of the website but a subpage, cite the specific page. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I've started a discussion at Talk:Troy Hunt, Adeline unicorn (n.b:which you were free to do yourself), so MichaelMaggs can give some granular explanation or else back down. As far as I know, the celebrity's own website is an adequate source for uncontroversial info.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Quisqualis yes, it is an adequate source for uncontroversial info, but you still need to cite the part of the website where the information appears. The information Adeline unicorn was trying to source does not appear on the homepage for Ms. Hunt. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)