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January 25

I may have messed up a big companies Wiki page

Hi,

So I kinda messed up Netflix's Wiki page. I was trying to put its position in the Fortune 500 list and the whole page below is in a graph. Don't know what to do. Sorry for messing when I hadn't read any of your advisory pages.

Could someone fix it cause people will use it and see the bad state its in?

Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.244.216 (talk) 00:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

No problem. You can always undo edits using the history tab. You just removed the characters indicating the end of a table. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes I agree with Clarityfriend you can always undo you edits and next time sign your posts ScienceGirl-2011 (talk) 05:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC) Happy Editing

What kind of books can we create in Wikipedia?

Hello I am asking if I can post a book about natural disaster facts and how they form My question is that is it okay to post books like this using the Create a book function Is it okay with Wikipedia? I would never break the rulesScienceGirl-2011 (talk) 05:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@ScienceGirl-2011: The "create book" feature lets you produce a printable book from a selection of Wikipedia articles, and yes, you may use it. However, it seems that you wish to write a new book, with original content that is not in our articles. You can do that at our sister project Wikibooks, which is here. From that book, you can link to articles in Wikipedia and you can use images from commons, or even add images to commons to put in you book. -Arch dude (talk) 05:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Australian Institute of Polish Affairs

How do i get a copy of our most rececnt version of the article that was deleted??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Dee (talk • contribs) 05:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Alex Dee: You could try Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion, since it was a PROD. However, since the page was deleted for failing the notability guideline, you still need to find secondary, independent sources to demonstrate notability (see WP:NORG). Otherwise, it's likely to be deleted again. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Are Tumbler Aesthetics notable?

I recently found this page, Dark_academia, which is about a tumblr aesthetic... I feel that the content is trivial and shouldn't be part of wikipedia, but I'm pretty new to editing. I was thinking of nominating it for deletion as non-notable but I found that there is a new york times article about it. What do y'all think? Mcscope (talk) 07:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I think it's notable enough to stay, since it has significant coverage from independent sources. Findanegg (talk) 14:45, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mcscope: "Trivial" is your personal value judgement, and I personally agree with you. But Wikipedia's sole inclusion criterion is notability (WP:N), so our value judgements do not enter into this decision. Our notability criteria are as objective as possible. Wikipedia's goal is to have an article on every notable subject. If I were the "triviality" czar, I would delete more than half the sports-related articles, perhaps 75% of the entertainment-related articles, and maybe 90% of the video game articles, but that's not how we operate. The Dark academia article is much better sourced, to much "higher quality" sources, than many of our articles. It's not what you or I think, it's what gets published in the New York Times. -Arch dude (talk) 16:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

The article My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fandom exists. Unfortunately, WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason for deletion. As noted above, if a topic is notable, and has sources to back it up, it does not matter how trivial it seems to the average reader; this topic has been discussed in the NYT and other RS. I will however, note, that about half of the article was original research and has been culled. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 16:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@El cid, el campeador: The cleanup you did on that article resolved my concerns actually. That was cool to see! That's a good lesson for me that notability is separate from article quality and perhaps I was responding to the latter. Thanks all for your feedback! Mcscope (talk) 22:20, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

"Historical most first-day album streams" Is Not Up to date!

Hi, I found the record for "Historical most first-day album streams" is not the up to date record as of today (25 January 2021). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-streamed_songs_on_Spotify#Historical_most_first-day_album_streams

for the record, Drake's album is still maintain at No. 1 (https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/428850-most-day-one-streams-of-an-album-on-spotify) but No. 2 is achieved by Taylor Swift's folklore which was released on 2020, Guinness World Records also marked her album as the "Most day-one streams of an album on Spotify (female)", here is the proof: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/625191-most-day-one-streams-of-an-album-on-spotify-female

I found the editor for this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-streamed_songs_on_Spotify#Historical_most_first-day_album_streams is purposely to not update this particular of record only since I checked all the records from this page was up to date until January 2021. This editor is trying to misleading the wrong information to the readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.188.211.76 (talk) 08:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

As per WP:FAITH, please don't accuse other Wikipedians of intentional bad-faith editing. Looking at the page history, it seems your edit was reverted due to not citing enough sources. If you can find and cite enough secondary sources to back your claim, you may include those in a revised version of your list. Findanegg (talk) 14:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

You can also post your suggestion on the article talk page - Talk:List of most-streamed songs on Spotify - and hopefully others interested in the same topic can help you find more sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Coordinates for 1854 Broad Street cholera outbreak

Hi all, I've been editting the article 1854 Broad Street cholera outbreak and noticed the coordinates were wrong. I've re-done them, as they need to centre on a specific location (e.g. the pump mentioned in the article), however the coordinate function wasn't picking up the right place, so I used the location instead. This has, though, removed the coordinates from being display at the topic of the page.

I was wondering if anyone knew how to get the right wiki coordinates that are linked in the article? Jamzze (talk) 11:20, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jamzze: I've fixed the coordinates with this edit. Your first attempt to emend the coordinates threw up an error message because you were entering the numerical values of decimal coordinates in the format used for degrees-minutes-seconds coordinates, which resulted in an impossible value (greater than 59.999 ...) for seconds of longitude. Deor (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! That is good to know for the future Jamzze (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

My first wikipedia entry

Hi there

Is it better to do a wikipedia entry in full first i.e. I will be doing one for a playwright / poet?

How long does it approximately take for a new edit to appear on Wikipedia?

Thanks

TidalJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TidalJ (talk • contribs) 11:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

TidalJ Edits to existing articles in most cases appear immediately. If you want to create a new article, be advised that doing so is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. I would suggest using the new user tutorial and reading User:Giraffer/TFNUTD first. You may then use Articles for creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor. Draft are visible to the public only if they know exactly where it is or see it in Recent Changes and search engines cannot search drafts. 331dot (talk) 11:45, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

If you can't immediately think of useful things to do, take a look at the essay here with examples of how you could contribute. Like any other activity, practise will help you build experience before you try to create a draft article from scratch. Note that on Talk Pages, you should sign/date your contribution, which happens automatically if you type four tildes, as ~~~~ Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

TidalJ To answer your original question: I find it better to write an article incrementally instead of all at once. Among other reasons, You end up saving your work frequently as part of the incremental process. You should start your new article as a draft, in "draft space"(i.e. start an article on "Harvey Schmedlap" as "Draft:Harvey Schmedlap"). But, the very first step MUST be to pick a subject that is notable by our definition (WP:N). Notability is the only absolute requirement for an article. The most perfectly written article on a non-notable subject will be deleted. We can help you improve even a very poorly-written draft on a notable subject, but we cannot help help you improve notability. see WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 16:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I move an article from sandbox to publish?

How do I move an article from sandbox to publish? I tried everything but I did not find the option to move the article from the sandbox and publish it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twelver knight (talk • contribs) 13:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Twelver knight New users cannot directly create new articles; you must use Articles for creation. However, your draft has no sources and would be rejected quickly. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 13:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

General

How to use https://bestshotgunmic.com/ condenser shotgun microphone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.159.153 (talk) 14:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Seagull123 Φ 14:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Note I 'broke' the custom URL. I cannot tell if this is an innocent question or an attempt at an ad, but either way, I think it should be clear what the target of this external link is. I realize this is refactoring but I think it is warranted here. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 17:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Article title on Good Job! (game) in italics for me, but not everyone?

Hi,

Looking at the formerly featured article on Good Job!, I see the article title as in italics. Fellow editor Panini on the talk page says he/she does not. Page source shows italic tags. The wiki markup for Title does not have double-apostrophes. I checked in the current versions of Firefox and Chromium, and both show the page title as italicized for me. Bug? Any suggestions about what's up? IAmNitpicking (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Shows at Italic for me, too, so not just you. RudolfRed (talk) 15:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

This is usually done with Template:DISPLAYTITLE, but I didn't see it on this page - no idea what is pushing through the italics.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

The documentation for Template:Infobox video game says it makes the article title italic. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it shows italics as it should. Panini probably meant they didn't see the font in [1] with an odd 'J'. I guess they do see italics. @IAmNitpicking: Maybe your browser chooses that font because it cannot display italics for the font used in page headings. We have around 700,000 articles with italics title for films, games, books, albums, tv shows, etc. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles#Italics. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I guess I never noticed the italics before because when the regular font is used, it isn't as different-looking and didn't trigger my "out of place sensor"? Thanks. IAmNitpicking (talk) 18:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Error when I try to publish

Hi

I updated an image and logo to our Town of Princeton British Columbia page. I can preview the change however when I publish I receive the following error message Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404)

Please advise

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by ECDEV2020 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@ECDEV2020: Hi there! Your use of the word "our" makes me wonder if you have any official relationship with the Town of Princeton. If so, please review the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. You have recently edited Princeton, British Columbia twice, and both edits were reverted. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest you post to the article's talk page - Talk:Princeton, British Columbia - with your suggestions, so an independent Wikipedian can help you resolve the issue. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

A question about Wikipedia:No Nazis

In the essay Wikipedia:NONAZIS it says that so called "Racists" are usually blocked on-site. Can you be blocked from editing Wikipedia for expressing certain political opinions, and if so, what are they? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:A0:4140:A16B:A53F:938E:8EA5 (talk) 19:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

If by "political opinions" you mean something like stating "All {X ethnic/religious/whatever group} should be killed," then, yes, you can absolutely be blocked or banned for that. If by "political opinions" you mean "I think vaccines are evil," then no, you can't be blocked or banned for simply holding that opinion. If you edit in a disruptive manner in order to try to push your opinion into articles, you will be blocked for that behavior. Note that both types of hypothetical blocks are based on behavior, not beliefs. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

• Nazism isn't an opinion. Just like believing in fundamental human rights are not an opinion. An opinion is "I don't like the color blue." Nazism is a violent ideology that is inherently incompatible with editing Wikipedia because it 1.) denies facts and 2.) endangers the lives of people. No one is going to block you for saying "You know what, I like that Boris Johnson guy." CUPIDICAE💕 20:13, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Praxidicae "I don't like the color blue" is not an opinion; it's a statement of fact--"I don't like it." Fact: John doesn't like blue; fact: Mary loves blue. (Opinion: Blue is the most beautiful color; opinion: Blue is ugly.) As for Nazism not being an opinion, what you seem to be saying is if an idea seems so fundamentally unarguable (at least to some people--you?) that everybody ought to agree with it, then it ceases to be an opinion. That's a rather dangerous notion (opinion? well, not quite) itself. I happen to be of the opinion that both fascism and communism are evil--for pretty much the same reasons. In the 1950s, the big thing was going after communists; nowadays, that's seen as an embarrassing chapter in American history--even as we identify anybody to the right of center as "Nazis" (or at least "fascists") and go after them in the same say.

As for endangering people, there have been many ideas, ideologies and belief systems--both good and evil--that have, at least indirectly, cost people their lives. Nazism, Christianity! People have died for embracing or refusing to embrace both. If we consider ideas that are directly ABOUT taking lives, then I have to consider a very modern--supposedly progressive--idea (allegedly about "human rights"). Embracing this idea without question is widely considered a minimum requirement for being taken seriously; questioning it is, by itself, an utter disqualification from many things. And this very "progressive" idea involves--no, IS ABOUT--not merely endangering, but taking the lives of innocent people (those who happen to be young enough, and thus dependent and helpless enough). Uporządnicki (talk) 15:00, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

That's quite the level of mental gymnastics you've done while still missing the point. CUPIDICAE💕 15:03, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

AzseicsoK, "I think people should be systematically discriminated and maybe murdered because of their religion, ethnicity and sexual orientation" is not remotely similar to "I don't like blue" and neither is it an "opinion". Openly embracing such a position, dogwhistling about such a position, pushing such a position is actively denying the humanity of people and essentially a form of violence. We do not have to indulge such ideas, we do not have to debate them, we do not have to give them a platform. I for one will not be doing anyone holding such a position a platform to act like they are debatable ideas. Every community sets limits in its discourse: We are not a state, and this is not a free speech issue. We are a community that should be taking a stance at some point. This isn't McCarthyism, it's self-regulation. I'm not American, I don't identify as a "progressive", and neither of those things are relevant to this conversation. NONAZIS doesn't say "go on a which-hunt for right-of-centre editors", it just explains a fundamental truth: Someone who espouses far-right ideology and racism is neither compatible with a collaborative environment, nor open to reason and science; otherwise they wouldn't be espousing those positions in the first place. Opposing far-right ideology isn't merely a political act, it's an act of reason. Blablubbs|talk 15:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Picasa 3

FYI

 – Heading added by Tenryuu.

How can I down load Picasa3 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:C200:6C70:B831:3D3B:8722:5442 (talk) 20:20, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sorry, this is the help desk relating to editing or using Wikipedia. Our reference desk may be able to help; or try this link. Eagleash (talk) 20:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

How to upload a image without it being deleted

Hi could someone please tell me how to add an image without it being deleted! All the images that I have taken from the RNLI website are credited to the photographer and the RNLI website link. Why then are they all being deleted?

SHANNON13ALB (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi SHANNON13ALB. Unfortunately, Wikipedia cannot accept images from RNLI because their copyright licensing is more strict than the CC BY-SA license that Wikipedia uses. You can add an image without it being deleted if it is a photo that you took yourself and you agree to the CC BY-SA terms. Some copyrighted images are also acceptable as fair use, but please read and understand our very strict policy on non-free content. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: - are you able to direct your powers of persuasion towards the RNLI re this matter? Mjroots (talk) 09:08, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll try. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed Scottish Independence Referendum

 Courtesy link: Proposed second Scottish independence referendum

A non existent quote has been erroneously cited. 'A once in a generation opportunity....' [1] refers to the Scottish Government white paper.

This statement does not exist on the paper cited. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phyllis Dingbat (talk • contribs) 22:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Phyllis Dingbat: Please voice your concerns on the article's talk page and not the article proper. You may also want to add the {{failed verification}} template after the citation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:45, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Phyllis Dingbat: Just to clarify, you did the right thing in noting that it's incorrect; don't worry too much about rules if you're new. Like what Tenryuu said though, normally you put comments on the talk page of the article (if you look at the top next to the "Article" tab there's a "Talk" tab that you can edit in), or add a template to the article itself. If you think you can fix the actual article though, then be bold and remove the erroneous statement or change it, and give justification in the edit summary. I like to leave a comment in the talk page too if I think it might be controversial. Hope that helps. Cheers, Fredlesaltique (talk) 01:05, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Note: this quote does appear in the white paper, under the Q&A section. However, you did do the right thing by raising your concern (though it should generally be done at the specific talk page, as discussed above.) ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 13:39, 26 January 2021 (UTC)