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Tag for the banner shell

Hi. How can I insert the Template:banner shell with the script I always use? I'd like to avoid to add it manually Dr Salvus 01:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: would the script be Rater? I think it adds the banner shell automatically when it reaches some threshold of WikiProjects (three?) and for fewer, the shell isn't needed. If it's some other script, you'd be better asking on a talk page related to the script or the volunteer who maintains it—these things are usually in the domain of just one person writing the code and if it's not an option, it's not an option. It takes quite a lot of time and careful testing to add new features. — Bilorv (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

DARBHANGA HAS LESSER POPULATION THAN PURNIA; FACTS MANIPULATED ON WIKIPEDIA

Darbhanga is 6th largest city of Bihar by population and Purnia is the 5th largest by population. The contributor is providing an error filled report for claim, as you can see he has increased the number of male and female population but children population is same as purnea. He has increased the population by 70000 which is completely baseless.

I am providing you the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT OF INDIA CENSUS REPORT. PLEASE SEE THIS.; THIS IS AVAILABLE ON GIVERNEMENT OF INDIA WENSITE. The contributor of Darbhanga page deliberately INCREASES THE population to show Purnea is less populated than Darbhanga WHICH IS NOT TRUE. PLEASE SEE THE LINK BELOW:

https://censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov-results/paper2/data_files/India2/Table_3_PR_UA_Citiees_1Lakh_and_Above.pdf

AS YOU CAN SEE IN PAGE 4/13 no. 10 ; Purnia has clearly greater population than Darbhanga. THIS IS THE OFFICIAL LIST OF GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. I request WIKIPEDIA TO TAKE NOTE TO THIS. Thank you.

PLEASE MAKE CHANGES IN THE FOLLOWING WIKIPEDIA PAGE AND BLOCK THE FAKE CONTRIBUTOR:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Bihar_by_population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darbhanga

• Please do not use ALL CAPS. It is the equivalent of shouting at us. We are all volunteers and none of us have any obligation to help you. Some of us tend to decline to help if you shout at us.
• Please do not accuse others of bad faith, even if it is true, as it leads to a decrease in civility. See WP:AGF. If it is in fact a case of malicious editing, we have ways of handling that.
• The table in that article should take all of its data from the same source, I think, so a change that introduces a number from a different source is probably wrong. Is that the problem here?
• Please take this discussion to the talk page of the article at talk:List of cities in Bihar by population.
• -Arch dude (talk) 14:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Princess Ida

The second paragraph in the Genesis section of the article on Gilbert & Sullivan's opera Princess Ida contains errors. Some of the incorrect information is actually available correctly in other Wikipedia articles.

1. Queen's College was not the first 'higher education' institution for women in the UK. It provided teaching, but not at that level.

2. Westfield College was not the first women's college in the University of London.

In both cases the correct college is Bedford College, founded 1849, and now part of Royal Holloway and Bedford New College.

Articles on Queen's, Westfield and Bedford are all correct on this, it's just the Princess Ida article.

I have no wish to become a Wikipedia editor - it's far too complicated a process and seems full of rage and culture wars. What's needed is a place for people like me to be able to report errors without being sucked into that climate. Even finding this place was complicated, and I'm still not sure if it's the right place for corrections or if anyone will actually bother to do anything about it. 31.111.116.248 (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with posting here, but the relevant editors will be more likely to see your comment if you post on the article talk page, Talk:Princess Ida. There is no "process" to become an editor, you become one merely by participating. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I have corrected the references to Westfield College. The question of first 'higher education' institution for women in the UK is debatable. Queen's College, founded 1847 and Bedford College, founded 1849, both offered a mixture of school and higher education when they opened. TSventon (talk) 15:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I will copy the questions to Talk:Princess Ida for further discussion. TSventon (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

My Page is not being uploaded

Dear Wikipedia

I have created the wikipedia page about our family which is a reputable and note worthy family from central india and is closely associated with SaiBaba adn Gajanan maharaj who are key saints in the Hindu beliefs. However i have failed to secure this page on wiki pedia as your need references for the credibility of the article. While i understand that references are needed for this kind of a publication there is very little documented fsactd to support besides which i have enclosed with the article. How can you help me with this page

regards Nandu — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Butys (talk • contribs)

@The Butys:, it may well just be the case that there is not sufficient sourcing for an article to exist. Generally I would suggest finding the sources *first* to ensure an article's notability can be demonstrated before continuing to write it. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@The Butys: Your account name implies its use by multiple people, which we do not allow: see WP:USERNAME. Please abandon your user account and create a new one (Nandu Buty, or whatever you like) or go through the user name change process (WP:UNC). -Arch dude (talk) 14:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@The Butys: Where did you get your information? If it is from private records or from family oral history, then your work constitutes "original research": see WP:OR. As an encyclopedia, we do not publish original research, so you will need to find another venue for it. I have always thought that WMF should have separate project for this, similar to wikibooks, but we do not. However, if your sources are published written records, even non-english and even if not accessible online, then you can list your sources and write an encyclopedia article here.-Arch dude (talk) 14:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How to request Template changes?

I want to request Template changes. Can you direct link? The Supermind (talk) 12:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

You can use Template:Edit template-protected. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How do I add a space on a map point without adding a second point?

I've tried adding a space to the Roundway Down map point at the Battle of Roundway Down, but doing so seems to create two separate map points for "Roundway" and "Down" instead of one point for "Roundway Down". How do I circumvent this? Thanks, Tyrone Madera (talk) 13:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: I added a non-breaking space. It seems to have worked, at least on my browser. -Arch dude (talk) 14:03, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Arch dude, Ah, I forgot the semicolon at the end of &nbsp. Cheers, Tyrone Madera (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

ChiefBusinessDevelopmentOfficer

Hello world I am the chief Business Development officer for Bedford auto repair located in Bedford Ohio 44146 is the postal code I use voice recognition and apologize for any sin tax or grammatical errors in advance my name is John and I retired from the United States Navy after a 24-year career with the re-enlistment code re - R1 I joined the site to help others become internet work experts it seems that the Wikipedia editors use many forms of automation to block the words and phrases I create. Can anybody help? ChiefBusinessDevelopmentOfficer (talk) 14:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

ChiefBusinessDevelopmentOfficer, Nick Moyes has explained why your userpage was deleted. The welcome message on your userpage has some advice on getting started in Wikipedia, including Help:Getting started. TSventon (talk) 14:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

ChiefBusinessDevelopmentOfficer YOU'RE responsible for Sin Tax??? (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) Uporządnicki (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding content to the Off to See the Wizard page

Hi. There is a page for the ABC series Off to See the Wizard (1967-1968) but information for two episodes are missing pages. I have information on the production company that was responsible for the "Wild World" episode, so I would like to create that page. I have all of the documentation for that episode (including shoot lists, invoices, correspondence on ABC stationery, and copies of news mentions from a variety of papers). Would I be allowed to create the page and would my sources be credible? Would I upload scans of the sources, or would I need to publish them somewhere else first and then link to that site?

Also, since the production company also was involved with other projects, would I be able to create pages for those? The production company was run by a single woman producer, possibly a pioneer in the early years of television. This information may be useful to anyone researching the role of women in the development of broadcast media.

Thank you for your guidance. Maritimum (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Maritimum, the material you have is indeed of interest to researchers. However, Wikipedia is not a repository for original research. Wikipedia relies on reliable, published sources to ensure verifiability, given that it is a crowd-sourced project. Someone in academia would be the appropriate recipient of your material.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

You can read Wikipedia:Original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability for more explanation of the concepts Quisqualis is referring to. The "pedia" from "Wikipedia" is for "encyclopedia" (wiki is a word on its own) so we only aggregate existing sources, rather than publishing unpublished materials. — Bilorv (talk) 17:13, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Well hold on. OP said she had "copies of news mentions from a variety of papers", so those are legit correct? We generally take people's words about the existence and contents of off-line sources, long as they're published and theoretically available in some archive or another? I think?

The other stuff, not so much. If you get them published, we have to be confident that a second person with standing has checked that the documents are legit (not forgeries or whatever). So not just a blog or whatever. Even if you can get them published in a source that has fact-checking, they're still primary sources, which are not forbidden or anything but have to be used judiciously. For that, read the pages suggested above. Herostratus (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Can someone tell me where to report this?

Saw a user make this edit with this edit summary, looked at their contribs... one real actual edit, and four to a sandbox that's some sort of annoying fantasy drag race thing. No idea where to report, halp? Ta. Daundelin❁ 15:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Daundelin: This appear to be a content dispute. From checking the history, the table on the diff you've showed is almost identical to the one from your last edit ([1]), with a couple contestants changing places and different notation (but same results). If a consensus was reached on how the table should look like, then revert to the previous stable version and warn the user. Otherwise, invite them to discuss about it on the article's talk page. I hope this helps. Best regards, Isabelle ^🔔 15:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, no, this is not a content dispute. I am talking about the sandbox, here, which doesn't seem to be what Wikipedia is for. Where do I report that? Daundelin❁ 10:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't see what's wrong with what's in the sandbox, sandboxes are generally there for test edits, and that looks like a draft of some tables. What did you want to report about it? Pi (Talk to me!) 13:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Because none of those tables are connected to reality--it's an awful lot of work to go to for a test, making up all of that, when user could have just copied the the relevant tables and edited from there. None of those songs have appeared on drag race. Which all suggests tiresome fantasy nonsense (and I'm really surprised Wikipedia hasn't managed to get rid of that). In addition, user's very first edit was to create that sandbox with complex syntax, followed by four more, then a single edit to an actual article, and what looks like idiosyncratic editing for personal preferences to a template. Which strongly suggests this isn't their first rodeo, and that someone's evading something.

So, again: where do I report this? Daundelin❁ 19:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Determining RS for a book

How can I determine if a book is RS? Particularly India's Glocal Leader: Chandrababu Naidu as part of Talk:N. Chandrababu Naidu/Archive 1#Cleanup: ToDos. Thanks! -- DaxServer (talk) 15:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi DaxServer. You might want to ask that at the Reliable Source's Noticeboard. Isabelle ^🔔 17:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Isabelle, I'll ask over there. -- DaxServer (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

(ec) DaxServer, there's always the question of context/for what, but on the face of it, Bloomsbury Publishing is a well known publisher, and a Tejaswini Pagdala writes in The Hindu. So I'd use it, perhaps with in-text attribution depending on context until someone gives a reasonable reason why not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Really useful :) -- DaxServer (talk) 18:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Subject is an X

The article Fernando Iglesias (Argentine politician) has a lead sentence that says "Fernando Adolfo Iglesias (born May 14, 1957 in Buenos Aires) is an Argentine journalist, writer, politician, and volleyball player". He was indeed a volleyball player once, but only in schools: he never took part in professional leagues, and wouldn't be notable for wikipedia if his biography had stopped at that point. Should we describe him as a volleyball player in the introductory sentence, or skip that? Cambalachero (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

"he trained to become a volleyball player. He moved to Italy post-graduation to play volleyball and resided there for several years." So he tried seriously to break into pro sports; I'd say it's harmless at worst to have it in the lede. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Orangemike, I see it differently. Per MOS:LEAD

The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents.

This person is notable as a politician. writer. and journalist. The entire discussion of his volleyball "career" comprises about 1 1/2 sentences, I'm totally on board with the inclusion in the main text but do not feel it deserves mention in the lead. S Philbrick(Talk) 20:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Account gone?

My Wikipedia account seems to have been zapped - only created a month ago! Why?

Username: CatNip48

Can't log in, can't reset password: receive no email reset.

I checked my own username, only time I ever logged in and used it, on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kind_Hearts_and_Coronets

Under heading "The plot thickens, and needs to be thinned."

CatNip48 - "User: CatNip48 (page does not exist)"

Yours,

(Ex) CatNip48 — Preceding unsigned comment added by xx.xx.xx.xx (talk • contribs)

Are you sure you created an account? This same ISP address made an edit to Kind Hearts and Coronets earlier today. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Well I logged in! That's why the username is on that Talk page.

Yes, on further examination, User:CatNip48 is an existing account. Since you only had one edit (constructive, but trivial): if you can't recover the password, I'd strongly advise just creating a new account, and putting a note on the new account that you had the first account at one time but couldn't recover it. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Um... OK. Thanks.

User:CatNip48 has not stored an email address so password reset is not an option. If you don't know the password then you have to create a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Can't imagine how that happened. Surely filling in email address would be part of creating an account? (CatNip48)

Email addresses are not required to create an account, though not providing one means passwords cannot be recovered. 331dot (talk) 22:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

OK. Will try some variations on my recorded password. Or just stay anonymous! (CatNip48)

CatNip48 It's a mistake to think of editing without logging in as being "anonymous". I do know that term has been used a lot in the past even by some veteran editors but it is misleading. Editing without logging in reveals a lot more about you than editing with a registered username.

Comment Frankly, I wouldn't mind if we reconsidered the decision to allow people to register usernames without an email address. I do understand why this is permitted, but hardly a week goes by where someone doesn't have a problem with their password and seemed surprised to learn that there is no option for password reset if they haven't supplied a valid email address. At the very least, we could have a field for the email address, which will prompt the creator if it's not filled in, and let them know that they are permitted to leave it blank, but if they do leave it blank and forget their password no one will help them. But that caveat in red and those few who really, really think they are better off without email address can continue, but we will cut down on the flood of requests at the teahouse the helpdesk and VTRS from those who have forgotten the password and can't reset it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

OK! I have now 'recovered' my password for myself - without the use of an email address. CatNip48 (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Entry

I have information that needs to be added to one of your entries

Welcome. If you do not have the time to learn to edit Wikipedia yourself, feel free to add the information to the article's talk page, and someone will come along and add it to the article. be sure to add a reference to the source of the information. -Arch dude (talk) 20:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

vandalism by IP-adres

I came across an edit made by u:80.5.45.4 which was obvious vandalism, which I reverted. He (or she) made only 1 other edit late last year (sorry, I don't know how to link that user contributions page). That 1 was similar vandalism and already reverted. Not really a big deal, but I thought it best to mention it here anyway.
More interesting is probably how I found this edit. I'm also a redditor and 1 of the topic-pages (called subreddits) there is named WikipediaVandalism (https://www.reddit.com/r/WikipediaVandalism/). This subreddit has over 15000 members looking for, quote: Hilarious Edits Found on Wikipedia. IMO the person behind the edits is looking for internet points on Reddit and likely to try again. And maybe some vandal hunters here could keep an eye on this subreddit in a somewhat organised way for obvious reasons. --Dutchy45 (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry too much about singled out malicious editing. Wikipedia has numerous filters, editing rules, volunteers (like yourself) and bots that catch/address most vandalism. You did the best thing by reverting the edit. There will always be clowns and communities out to try to vandalize a good thing. Wikipedia stood the test of time so far. Kindest regards --some random IP editor 198.208.47.76 (talk) 22:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)