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Adding to a name

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Why won’t you allow me to create a person’s Wikipedia page? I have info about the person through club website and league websites but it won’t allow to start it.

Unsigned comment apparently added 2021-06-05T01:18:50‎ by User:Queen2021.
@Queen2021: Have you seen Help:Your first article? DavidMCEddy (talk) 01:24, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Queen2021: New users can't directly create articles in mainspace. You should go through the Articles for Creation process and start a draft instead. Just make sure that the subject is notable by Wikipedia's standards and that you have reliable sources, or your work will be deleted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Queen2021: to stress something not covered in Tenryuu's, you will need reliable secondary sources (news, books, etc) - club and league websites alone are not sufficient. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:42, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How to Swap Radio Station articles

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Two radio stations owned by the same company near Ottawa, Ontario, Canada had swapped frequencies in December 2020.

I'm trying to find out how to swap radio station articles as this one may be tricky and tedious!

CKBY-FM moved to 92.3 FM, still listed as CJET-FM. CJET-FM moved to 101.1 FM, still listed as CKBY-FM.

Anyone have any ideas on how to swap radio station articles due to their call sign changes? Or can someone here whose excellent with radio station articles can make these changes? Thanks! 64.118.28.8 05:05, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't see why you need to swap anything. You simply update those two articles to record that each of them changed its frequency on such and such a date (preferably with a citation to a reliable independent source). Remember that this is an encyclopaedia, not a news source or directory. While we like articles to be up to date, it is if anything more important that they record the (cited) history of their subjects.
If the source says that the two of them swapped frequencies, and you feel that that is encyclopaedic information, you could mention that in the text you add. --ColinFine (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest fathers on Wikipedia

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  Courtesy link: List of oldest fathers

I looked at Oldest fathers on Wikipedia where it all starts since 75. Nobody is there with Canada. I became a biological father at 75 and my wife is 39. My daughter Sophie is 10 weeks old. My question is what documents should I submit to be in the Oldest father section. ??? And where to submit using E mail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osik454 (talk • contribs)

Osik454, feel free to contact a journalist or two and to interest them in your feat of virility. When this is written up in reliable, independent, published sources (and not before), an editor here may add your name. -- Hoary (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In case it's not clear what point Hoary is making, Osik454: it is a fundamental principle that all information in a Wikipedia article must have been published already in a reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello. Look at the image on the right. There are some languages links, but there are something wrong. For example, 'Español' and 'Français'. These two languages must be their initials letter in lower case (Español must be español, and Français must be français). But now both are capitalised. How can I fix this? Thank you. --TKsdik8900 (talk) 06:27, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why would they need to be in lower case? The rest of the sidebar uses capital letters, no reason why the interlanguage links should use lower case for first letter. 'Español' and 'Français' are how I'd expect them to be written in English sentence case. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:45, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Likely because that is how the French and Spanish write the names of their own languages. MediaWiki returns the autonyms for the languages:
{{#language:es}} → español
{{#language:fr}} → français
Isn't this is a Wikidata issue?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to alter your Preferences to take advantage of the facility described "here on mediawiki"., TKsdik8900 which will give you a consistent capitalisation and (in my case) all with English spellings / translations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pages in my userspace

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I think I might have lost track of a few pages in my userspace. How do I search for all pages below my main user and user talk pages? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dodger67, the Special:PrefixIndex-page is what you are looking for: Special:PrefixIndex/User:Dodger67/. For the ones in your user talk space simply go to Special:PrefixIndex/User_talk:Dodger67/ or adjust the namespace filter. – NJD-DE (talk) 12:49, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Njd-de Yes, that's it! Thanks. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to be made on my wikipedia

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  Courtesy link: Ragasya

Hello, this is actress ragasiya here. There are many of my movie projects that are not listed nor my theater work is listed. I want to list all my work that i have done recently. And also i want to update my picture for wikipedia. I tried contacting you several times sir. Please look in to the matter. I am ragasiya myself the actress sending u this message. Even my social work that i have done is not updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exstacyca (talk • contribs) 13:48, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Exstacyca. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia's article Ragasya may be about you, but it does not belong to you, and it is not in any way for your benefit. As you have a conflict of interest, you should not edit that article directly, but instead you should make edit requests on the article's talk page - see the link for the details of how to do that. Note that, if you do not provide a reference to a published source wholly unconnected with you, then it is unlikely that your request will be carried out: Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It can be very helpful for the subject of articles to upload a new picture provided they own the copyright and are willing to license the image for free use. In practice, since the copyright of photographs is almost always the photographer, you should upload a "selfie" by following the instructions of the upload wizard at c:Special:UploadWizard. If you subsequently make an edit request on Talk:Ragasya asking for the old photo to be swapped for your new one, that request is almost certain to be accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A question about grammar

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Please either ask a coherent question or move along. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a question about Wikipedia's grammar at User talk:Baffle gab1978 ([[User talk:Baffle gab1978#{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis|archiveprefix=}]]). I hope that somebody will respond to that. Thanks. Sawol (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see no question about grammar, Sawol: I just see you posting incomprehensible remarks about some search or other. If there is a grammar problem, and you want people to look at it, it might help to tell us what the problem is that you claim to be seeing. --ColinFine (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sawol: I have no idea as to why you're fixated on how Baffle gab1978 is configuring their archiving bot, when the Manual of Style is only concerned with articles. Underscores are interpreted as spaces, and wouldn't even be considered a grammatical issue. Is there any functional difference between the two that you're seeing? Because right now it just looks like you're harassing another editor. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question) Which is right? (1) |archiveprefix=User talk:Baffle gab1978/Archives/ (2) |archiveprefix=User talk/Baffle_gab1978/Archives/

@ColinFine and Tenryuu: User talk:Baffle gab1978 [1] (17:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)) made Old revision of User:ClueBot III/Indices/User talk:Baffle gab1978 (18:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)‎). But [2] (22:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC)) made Old revision of User:ClueBot III/Indices/User talk:Baffle gab1978 (13:24, 2 June 2021 (UTC)‎) and User talk:Baffle gab1978/Archives/. User:Baffle gab1978 said that "(2) has been fine for years." Archiving to [User talk:Baffle gab1978/Archives/] means that |format=%%i don't work. So, the wrong code (2) generated [User:ClueBot III/Indices/User talk:Baffle gab1978], User:ClueBot III/Master Detailed Indices/User talk:Baffle gab1978 and [User talk:Baffle gab1978/Archives/]. I hope to help [User:Baffle gab1978]. Sawol (talk) 16:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  What. Is there any problem that someone who wants to read Baffle gab's archives will run into? If there isn't, I'd follow the old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu: Stop giving irresponsible answers. If User:ClueBot III is to be used, we have to obey the rule User:ClueBot III#General template format. Even user talks are public property of Wikipedia. They are all connected to one another. Sawol (talk) 18:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sawol: At no point does the documentation mention there being a difference between using an underscore and a space. Kindly use layman's terms, as the blurb you posted above is a mess to wade through. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sawol, you said you wanna help Baffle. As much as your help is appreciated, it doesn't seem to be needed this time. If I was in Baffle's position I might be upset with your efforts by now as well. Please respect their decision on how they archive their talk page. In the end, archival of user talk pages is not even a policy, but optional. It would even be perfectly ok (with few exceptions, e.g. declined unblock requests) to just delete sections of one's user talk page entirely. – NJD-DE (talk) 18:30, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question) Which is right? (1) |archiveprefix=User talk:Baffle gab1978/Archives/ (2) |archiveprefix=User talk/Baffle_gab1978/Archives/

Nobody knows? Sawol (talk) 02:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have I properly formatted this citation template?

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Have I properly formatted this citation template? The citation is using Template:Cite AV media.

Thanks for your help! Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and no. Raymond's name is not 'Robert (Director) Raymond' nor is it 'Alan (Narrator) Thorne' or 'Anthony (Producer) Buckley'. Director/Narrator/Producer annotations corrupt the metadata produced by the template; see Template:Cite AV media § COinS. The documentation at that template gives an example that uses |people= instead of |lastn= / |firstn=. If you can get by without the roles annotation (I think that you can but others will likely disagree), then simply remove the roles from |firstn= because by doing that the citation will render correct (uncontaminated) metadata. Name metadata are not created from |people= because it is extremely difficult for a machine to decode human names so names without roles is preferred.
Someday, we will probably refine how {{cite AV media}} handles all of the various roles that editors here believe that AV media citations must have in order for our readers to locate a copy of the source.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Trappist the monk, Is there any way I could incorporate roles without corrupting the metadata, or am I correct in interpreting that it's pretty much a lost cause for this template? Perhaps I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too. Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No. Everything that you put into |first= (except, for now, wikilink markup – at the next cs1|2 upgrade, wikilink markup in |first= will cause cs1|2 to emit an error message) is included in the citation's metadata. Someday when we define appropriate roles for this template; someday when we figure out how to enumerate roles in this template; someday when we figure out how to rank those roles in this template, then we can create clean metadata from the names associated with the roles. Until then, your options are as I described them.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your help, Trappist the monk. I really related to the final refrain in your post :-)
Oh well, maybe someday. Thanks again, Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:20, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a word & definition

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How would I add a word and definition to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TigretheDestroyer13 (talk • contribs) 20:00, June 5, 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is, in general, WP:NOTADICTIONARY. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@TigretheDestroyer13: You could try adding it to {{wikt:#|Wiktionary}}, though. What word are you interested in? Mathglot (talk) 07:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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