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June 7

Article creation

I want to create an article but i don't know how can you help me? Deborah Jenkins (talk) 00:33, 7 June 2021 (UTC)debbie j

@Deborah Jenkins: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to expand it. Check out WP:YFA, which will walk you through the steps, including a wizard that will let you create a draft for review. However, creating a new article is not an easy task. I suggest starting by working to improve existing articles instead, to get some wiki-experience, before diving into create a new article. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Alright will do👍🥵🥰

Help with s-vac template

Hi, I replaced the s-bef template in an article with the s-vac template to correct the information there, however it is not showing up correctly and I cannot find an error in what I typed. Special:diff/1027272138 Can someone please help? Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 01:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Abbyjjjj96: I added an {{s-break}} per the documentation at {{s-start}}, which says the computer won't recognize a new row when {{s-vac}} is used. Seemed to fix the layout. DanCherek (talk) 01:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 01:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Template:Top icon templates

I created a new top icon and added it to Top icon templates. When I go to the page of new top icon, Top icon templates does not show it. Is this issue caused by an error in top icon or its doc? Wario-Man ^talk 04:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: I can see it now, after I purged the {{WikiProject Professional wrestling topicon}} page. I think it was just an issue of the cache not being cleared yet. DanCherek (talk) 04:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I can see it too. Thanks for the help. Wario-Man ^talk 04:12, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

hay

Can't i know who is the user who checked and accepted my changes after i do a change(edited) in an article? (in the Arabic Wikipedia I can see, In the History section at the side of any edit it shows how accepted the changes). Thanks --Bmt3s (talk) 04:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bmt3s, most pages on the English Wikipedia don't require editors to "accept" new edits. This is different from other communities like the Arabic Wikipedia. Only when an article has a particularly high level of disruption, administrators may put that specific article under pending changes protection, which means edits from new users to that page will be screened like you describe. These articles are indicated with a special symbol in the top-right corner, such as the one shown at Alyson Hannigan. Otherwise, your edits are live as soon as you make them. Hope this makes sense! DanCherek (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, But in my opinion that is strange, How can yous make sure that they added the accepted informations that is with references and so.--Bmt3s (talk) 05:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bmt3s: Usually it's editors who watch the article who'll do the evaluating. If you see a reference that is possibly unreliable but would like to discuss further, the talk page is where you'll want to start a conversation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:31, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Great, Thank you. --Bmt3s (talk) 05:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Preference question

In the Arabic Wikipedia (that I usually use more) there is option in the Preferences there called: "User Info: Show User access-level and more.." (under the Gadgets section) when enabling it, I can see at ease it the assess level and some statics about the User in there main account user page. My question is: Is there same option to enable in the English Wikipedia? Thanks --Bmt3s (talk) 05:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bmt3s: Looking through the list at Wikipedia:User scripts/List, I think that User:PleaseStand/User info does what you want. Follow the instructions on that page to install the script. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Exactly! Thank you, I hope you can suggest this to the Admins so they can add it to be "real" Option in the Preferences or even default Option. Great! --Bmt3s (talk) 07:14, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bmt3s: On this Wikipedia, a similar function is given by using Special:Preferences and on the "Gadgets" tab selecting the "Navigation popups" option. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Guidelines for adding references and citations to articles?

I looked in the FAQ and also did a couple of Google searches but I could not find guidelines for adding references and citations to articles.

Since as a journalist and a PhD student I have used Wikipedia frequently and have often been impelled to add such references, I would like to start doing so. I would also like to do so properly, according to guidelines.

Thanks, Jon Fernquest — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon Christian Fernquest (talk • contribs)

@Jon Christian Fernquest: Welcome to the editing side of Wikipedia! Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and other related material can be found in the Wikipedia namespace (for example, Wikipedia:Reliable sources). To learn about citing, WP:EASYREFBEGIN is a simple version of how to do so. Just be aware that some pages (particularly those to do with medicine) may have more stringent requirements for reliable sources. As an aside, always sign your posts with ~~~~ at the end so that other editors know that you said it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Jon Christian Fernquest (talk) 06:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Why is the information I add being removed from Wikipedia?

Hello everyone, I'm an experienced Wikipedia user. About half a year ago, I wanted to contribute to the development of Wikipedia and started editing it. However, all the information I carefully select and check is removed by other Wikipedia editors. Could you tell me why this is happening? I consider myself an expert; why isn't my expert opinion released?

We cannot take the word of a random internet stranger as being a subject matter expert and it appears that your edits were merely adding what we consider to be spam links and unreliable sources to articles. BEACHIDICAE🌊 14:12, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

WP:EXPERT may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Like here [1], the editor who reverted you left a WP:EDITSUMMARY explaining why. You can try to WP:COMMUNICATE with that editor, but see WP:BLOGS, and in this case WP:MEDRS may apply. WP takes a while to get the hang of, but asking questions is a good way forward. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, have you looked at your talkpage, User talk:MariWriter? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Please also leave your name to messages by striking the tilde key four times. Thanks for editing! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Mōri Hidekane → Mōri Hidekane

This document is to be handed over to Kobayakawa Hidekane. Originally, we were going to request a move to Mōri Hidekane. ten thousand

Some places use Kobayakawa Hidekane as their official language, so they create a document to hand over the Kobayakawa Hidekane document instead.

I request you to delete the draft document with this document and move it to the title of Mōri Hidekane.

This is a Handover document and I hope it can be moved from Kobayakawa Hidekane to Mōri Hidekane later.

To yield up his first name of the document mōri hidekane and switch over to

Later, kobayakawa hidekane → Mōri Hidekane, Please go if you can. Thank you for reading the request. Gameposo (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Note: I suspect the above request has been machine translated, and that "handover document" means "redirection". Certainly it is strange that a Draft should be a redirect to a mainspace article, and I'm sure that should be changed. I think the request is actually to move Kobayakawa Hidekane to Mōri Hidekane, and delete the draft that is a redirection: is that right Gameposo? Note that Kobayakawa Hidekane has no references at all, and is therefore completely unsatisfactory as a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I have made the draft page into a redirect, as it is simple enough CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 17:11, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing on Mobile

Hi! I edit sometimes on mobile, and always have difficulty when adding films/television shows to infoboxes, because of the " and usually have to copy and paste. Is there a " option on mobile? I hope this makes sense. Cinemacriterion (talk) 17:42, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cinemacriterion: There should be. Most mobile phone keyboards usually have " in the symbols tab. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Yes! Mine does, but when I try to edit on iPhone, it doesn't work. I don't really know if I'm explaining this right. Cinemacriterion (talk) 20:14, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Cinemacriterion: Cullen328 has written a guide to editing on a mobile and gives some links which you might find helpful. Princess Persnickety (talk) 18:31, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

List of tasks

I can't find the list of tasks that used to be available from the task menu at the top of the page; that is, clicks for welcoming newcomers, adding tags to the tops of pages, etc. I must have got rid of this list when I was experimenting with some newly available shortcuts. Any advice? Sorry to bother you, but I've screwed it up somehow, even though I've BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

BeenAroundAWhile are you talking about Wikipedia:Task Center? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile: I see that you last used Twinkle on 23 May - is that what you mean? That's at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I guess I was using Twinkle. I will go to my prefs again and pore over the settings. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles that are not just translations...

Hello!

There is problem with this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-latinization_of_Romanian It should be a translation of this page: https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curentul_latinist And it is not. The English version talks about the re-latinisation of the Romanian language which is not 100% true. While the romanian version of the page talks about the "the Latinist current", they are 2 different things... How can this be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.125.92.26 (talk) 19:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

There is no reason why it should be a translation. It looks like the original author of the English article looked at the subject with a slightly different angle than the author of the Romanian article. That does not make the article wrong. The Banner talk 20:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Articles linked in the languages sidebar (and behind the scenes on Wikidata) don't need to be translations, but they do need to be on the same topic. Separating them would be an easy task, but I don't know which of the two topics the Russian article ru:Латинизация румынского языка is on. Do you? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Questions about redirect pages: Wikipedia Categories and WikiProjects

I have some questions about redirect pages. Thanks in advance.

Say that you have a regular Mainspace article ... and then you create a redirect page to that article.

On the redirect article's Talk Page ... should you list the same WikiProjects that appear on the regular Mainspace article's Talk Page? Or is there some special WikiProject designation for redirect pages? Or do you just leave the Talk Page blank of WikiProjects?

Same questions about Wikipedia Categories: On the redirect article's (main) Page ... should you list the same Wikipedia Categories that appear on the regular Mainspace article's (main) Page? Or is there some special Wikipedia Category designation for redirect pages? Or do you just leave the (main) Page blank of Wikipedia Categories?

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Joseph A. Spadaro, there is guidance on the first question at Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. I found the guidance via Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect, which is probably a good place for further discussion.

Category redirects are generated by Template:Category redirect and automatically placed in Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories. TSventon (talk) 21:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thank you very much! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

Endorse advert template?

Template:Advert is used for stating "This article reads like an advertisement". If such a template has already been placed, but I think the article reads quite particularly like an advertisement, is there a way to endorse the template? JIP | Talk 22:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

JIP, this sounds like a rhetorical question, but the template has options for changing the wording if you wanted to say "This article contains content that is written like a blatant advertisement". TSventon (talk) 07:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

finding my listing

I noted that my listing - leadership-as-practice - was deleted. I asked for it to be de-deleted, but I don't see it. How can I find it so that I can edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.13.54 (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

It looks like it's just been restored. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Multiple editors keep making same sort of vandalism to article, not sure what to do

Hey, not sure what to do, but in the article Aha ha, multiple editors have repeatedly been changing the name of the scientist Menke to Monke: [2], [3], [4], [5], and one had the edit summary One of the fellow memesters told me you didn't notice the vandalism in the references. Fixed that. [6]. I'm not really sure if this warrants page protection, if there's sockpuppeting or what, but hopefully someone here would know. I'd usually go to Wikipedia:Editor assistance but I guess this is where I go no, so hope this is an appropriate venue. Umimmak (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Umimmak, hi and welcome to the helpdesk. I guess that nothing is the first stage of response, followed by a request for page protection. The accounts are obviously colluding, but probably will not be used again so a sock puppet investigation would not add much value. TSventon (talk) 00:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Well this has continued to happen even more and also at Aha (wasp)... how do I know when it’s appropriate to ask for page protection and for what kind and for how long? And do I do this myself or will someone more familiar with page protection at Help do that? Umimmak (talk) 04:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Umimmak, As you have seen vandalisers can just move to a new article,so there is little point in a rapid reaction. I have only used RPP once and I think that was after a week. Perhaps ask here again in a day or two if it continues at high frequency. Semi protection is fine for vandalism by new and IP accounts. I found the process fairly straightforward as you can copy from previous requests, but do ask if you have questions. I think the admin will decide the length of protection. TSventon (talk) 06:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Umimmak: I've semiprotected Aha ha for a week. The meme-ism has been been going on less long at the genus article and seems to have stopped for the moment, so I've left that unprotected for now. I also see that one of the IPs has been blocked and another has been given a final warning. If the playing around should recur, drop a note on my talk page (or if I'm not around, go to WP:RfPP), and further action will be taken. Deor (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)