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November 4

Should "passed away" be avoided?

Should "passed away" (instead of "died") be avoided if possible in Wikipedia articles? I thought it would be regarded as a euphemism and was a little surprised to not find anything about this in WP:MOS, but maybe it is somewhere else. Adpete (talk) 00:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Euphemisms. "Passed away" should be avoided. Use "died" instead. RudolfRed (talk) 00:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought I had read it somewhere before. Adpete (talk) 00:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Combining infoboxes

Thomas Ellis Owen
Occupation	Architect
Buildings	St Jude's Church Portland Terrace Eastern Parade
Projects	Portsea Island survey
Mayor of Portsmouth
In office 1847
Preceded by	George John Scale
Succeeded by	Benjamin Bramble
In office 1862
Preceded by	William Grant Chambers
Succeeded by	William Humby
Personal details
Born	(1805-03-11)March 11, 1805
Died	December 11, 1862(1862-12-11) (aged 57)

Hello;

I was adding an infobox to the Thomas Ellis Owen article, and I ran into a bit of a problem: the architect and office holder templates don't seem to successfully combine. Does anyone know how they can be combined into a single infobox?

Thank you! DeemDeem52 (talk) 01:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@DeemDeem52: Hi there! It seems that {{Infobox architect}} and {{Infobox officeholder}} are not embeddable templates. I tried embedding officeholder into architect (on the right), architect into officeholder, and both into {{Infobox person}}, but each produces the "box in a box" like you see here on the right, instead of something seamless like the examples at Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/embed. GoingBatty (talk) 02:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks for checking that! It seems like a bit of a problem for the infobox; perhaps one of them should be edited to better be able to be embedded? I don't know how to do that, though... DeemDeem52 (talk) 02:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

DeemDeem52, actually, officeholder can be embedded. I have done so in this example by adding |embed=. MB 02:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@MB: Thanks for correcting me! I now see {{Infobox officeholder}} is in Category:Biographical templates usable as a module. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@MB: @GoingBatty: Thanks guys! You guys are awesome. DeemDeem52 (talk) 03:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I was working on a sandbox for a relatively new artist associated with Son Lux, Ian Chang.

I was halfway through setting up the basics of his page, but something glitches and I ended up with an empty sandbox and no luck in accessing what I had originally written. I was about halfway through before it vanished. My user is Malinarusu, and the page was for Ian Chang. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malinarusu (talk • contribs) 03:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Malinarusu: Hi there! Unfortunately, since you didn't save your edit (by clicking the "Publish changes" button), there's no record of your work at User:Malinarusu/sandbox. You can try using the back arrow in your browser to see if it cached the work. Better luck next time! GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Rename a template page

Could someone please rename Template:User-ENFJ, as it should not have a hyphenTemplate:User ENFJ in line with the other MBTI templates. Thank-you. Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 04:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wakelamp: Hi there! There is already a different template at Template:User ENFJ, but it's only used by two editors. You might want to discuss this at Template talk:User-ENFJ. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBattyA Big wave of thanks from Australia for finding that out!

And I hope Have a great (one or more of) a dawn, breakfast, elevenses, day, afternoon, tea, evening, dusk, dinner, supper, night :-) Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 05:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Categories : Nett Created Daily & Data dump

I am thinking of making a proposal to change how categories work to reduce article maintenance (There are 650 K categories.), but I need some data to check whether it would work. Are there any statistics on the number of categories created and deleted per day? How would I get a list of all categories? I am after categories, date created, Editor that created page, #articles with that category, connected categories? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 05:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wakelamp: Hi there! The fine folks at Wikipedia:Database reports might be able to help. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Visual Editor Bug? : Right click on Heading opens editor.

Use Case : Editor wants to copy part of a heading so that he can get the heading link teps 1. Banana 2. go to "Banana equivalent radiation dose" heading 3. Right click on heading Alternate 3a. Select part of it and right click 4. Visual Editor opens

Note : 1/ Right clicking on "Tables of Content" seems to have no issue 2/Only tried it out on talk 3/ Not sure whether it happens on all pages (But its been happening for awhile) or t=Talk

Thanks Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 06:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wakelamp: Over at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing there is an option "Enable section editing by right clicking on section titles". Do you have that ticked? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:39, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

User:John_of_Reading Thanks John - that was it. It's been driving me batty. Actually - Is there away way of copying a heading link quickly, so I don't have to right click and copy the heading? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 09:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Got it - You copy from the table of contents. Have a great day :-0 Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 10:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Article "Hour Angle". Use of "\displaystyle"

When copying an article containing equations they are converted to text in the target document.

E.g. becomes, in a Microsoft Word 2013 document,

“”The local hour angle (LHA) of an object in the observer's sky is {\displaystyle {\text{LHA}}_{\text{object}}={\text{LST}}-\alpha _{\text{object}}} or {\displaystyle {\text{LHA}}_{\text{object}}={\text{GST}}+\lambda _{\text{observer}}-\alpha _{\text{object}}} where LHAobject is the local hour angle of the object, LST is the local sidereal time, {\displaystyle \alpha _{\text{object}}} is the object's right ascension, GST is Greenwich sidereal time and {\displaystyle \lambda _{\text{observer}}} is the observer's longitude (positive east from””

Is there any way of keeping the original Wiki equations, unaltered, in the new document, or converting them from “\displaystyle….” other than rewriting them longhand (Viz. LHAobject = …)?

Ulysses78 (talk) 08:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ulysses78: Hi there! Have you tried printing the Wikipedia article as a PDF document, and then running a program to convert the PDF to a Word document? GoingBatty (talk) 14:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

How to make a page on Wikipedia?

Hello there, I am attempting to make a page for a place called “Union Academy Charter School”. I am not successful in finding a way to make the page however. How do I make a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewAlfaro2011 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

If you are trying to create an article, as distinct from some other type of page, it would be recommended that you first gain experience in editing existing articles, as creating a new one is not an easy task. Before you create an article you need to understand Wikipedia's criteria for notability. After that you can read the guidance at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

MatthewAlfaro2011 New users cannot directly create new articles, and must use Articles for Creation to submit a draft. As aptly noted by David, it's highly advised that you first gain experience, as successfully creating a new article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 12:24, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Error about the 2022 MLB postseason error

Can you fix the error about the 2022 postseason notice please. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 13:39, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Could you please specify the exact name of the article that has an error? I don't see any errors on 2022 Major League Baseball season or Major League Baseball postseason. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

There was an error after this edit, but it's been reverted as no justification was given for removing the comment tags without finding a reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia bias (Tiffany Cross)

Please read Tiffany Cross' comments about white supremacy being the reason for the Virginia election results and then read Wikipedia's description of her as an "American journalist." Contrast this to, say, Ben Shapiro's description as a CONSERVATIVE journalist. This site is a total joke. I used to give donations to you but never again. Clean it up.

47.187.244.26 (talk) 14:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)Walter A. Formby47.187.244.26 (talk) 14:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for your prior donations. The best place to bring up your points would be at Talk:Tiffany Cross and Talk:Ben Shapiro. In both cases, it would help to bring reliable sources that characterize Cross as something besides just "journalist" or that dispute "conservative journalist" for Shapiro. You may also want to read WP:OTHERCONTENT, a section of a Wikipedia essay that discusses why comparisons to other Wikipedia articles are frequently unpersuasive arguments. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say. If those sources are not being summarized accurately, we want to know about it. If you do not like what the sources say, but they are correctly summarized here, you will have to take that up with the sources. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Walter! It appears that Cross made those comments last night (Nov 3). Wikipedia editors are all volunteers, and do not have the ability or desire to immediately update every article after every television show - see WP:NOTNEWS. GoingBatty (talk) 15:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Oak Ridge Boys

Could someone take a look at the timeline at the bottom of the article? It displays a large black rectangle when reading the article, but displays correctly when I preview my edits. I'm not sure where the issue is, as the <timeline> tag appears to be implemented properly. Thanks. 69.21.84.93 (talk) 16:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

No large black rectangle for me, viewing with Chrome. What browser are you using? --David Biddulph (talk) 16:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Firefox. I just checked Chrome and it does display properly -huh. Do you have the issue on Firefox? 69.21.84.93 (talk) 16:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I see a big black rectangle on Firefox. --ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Firefox user here, I don't see any big black rectangle. Gageills (talk) 17:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Archiving talk pages

I'm afraid I botched archiving my talk page and need help:

1. When I first attempted to archive by cut and paste, I created an archive page:User:Cleveland Todd Archive 2015-2019. This page did not seem to work; the archive box did not appear on my talk page. I would like to delete it; it only takes up space, but do not know how.
2. So I created a page: User:Cleveland Todd/Archive 1. This worked just fine. The archive box is on my talk page.
3. I wanted to archive some more on the talk page so following the directions closely(more closely, it seems than the first time), I created Usertalk:Cleveland Todd/Archive 2. I think Usertalk:Cleveland Todd/Archive 2 is the correct name for an archive page, but User:Cleveland Todd/Archive 1 worked the first time. Usertalk:Cleveland Todd/Archive 2 does not work.
4. Another editor, DanCherek, seeing I made a typo, kindly changed the name of an archive to Usertalk:Cleveland Todd/Archive 2, so there may be two of them out there.
5. How can I clean this up? What's the correct name for an archive?
6. I know this is confusing; I am certainly confused and apologize for any inconvenience I'm causing.

Cleveland Todd (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cleveland Todd! You almost got it but the only issue was that it needs to start with "User talk", not "Usertalk" (that space is very important). So your second archive is located at User talk:Cleveland Todd/Archive 2, which is fine. Your first archive at User:Cleveland Todd/Archive 1 is actually in the "User" namespace, not "User talk", so it's currently not being linked correctly from your archive box. Would you like help moving it? Finally, if you would like to delete User:Cleveland Todd/Archive 2015-2019, just add {{db-u1}} to the page and an administrator will delete it. More information on archiving can be found at Help:Archiving a talk page. DanCherek (talk) 20:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cleveland Todd: - I've moved the archive page User:Cleveland Todd/Archive 1 to its correct location for you. Mjroots (talk) 06:48, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Thanks. Working to get this all cleared up; I appreciate your help - I need it. Cleveland Todd (talk) 16:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: Thanks to you and User:Mjroots I think I'm getting this under control. I'm very grateful for your help and hope I can keep archiving correctly. Thanks again. Cleveland Todd (talk) 16:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

commenting

I am trying to update the Meta controversial page (not the Facebook platform) with the fact Facebook is being sued for trademark infringement and actually attempted to threaten the other company for the name. Meta Company has filed a lawsuit, hence the Wikki page should remain under their name for now. I would venture the aggressive move to remove the legal Meta page is from Facebook employees. So how do I do that? I have the link to the lawsuit.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/28/zuckerberg-says-other-tech-firms-stifle-innovation-with-high-fees.html https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/02/meta-parallel-metaverses-facebook-name-change-challenged

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10226097411812880&set=a.1036492923643 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlelady007 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Littlelady007 Please direct these comments to the article talk page, Talk:Meta Platforms. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Connecting my IP to my account

Hello,

I recently published an article (still on review) forgetting to log into my account. Now it says the article was published by my IP address and I would like to know if this could cause any issues. I want my article to get approved and I want to stay up to date with it so if anyone could maybe help me to connect my account to my article, it would be nice. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salar1982 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Salar1982, you can make the connection on your user page, although I can't remember which template to use... and if you aren't using the IP anymore, you should be fine. See WP:SOCKLEGIT for more information on approved ways of using multiple accounts. Sungodtemple (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Salar1982: If this is about Draft:Aspire Unit then it has not been submitted for review. You can do that with {{subst:submit}}. If you want page creation credit for your account then the original IP address can request deletion with {{db-g7}}. Later you can recreate it with your account. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)