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October 18

Change Page Name

I don't see "more" on my page to change the title to something unique since there is already a page with my companies name, I need to create it "Ridge (company)" or something similar. Can't figure out what to do without the more option. Can someone provide an alternative solution please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samg67895 (talk • contribs) 06:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article Ridge isn't 'your page', and your ridiculous attempts to hijack it for an article on another topic are highly improper. An 'alternative solution' would start by using a bit of common sense before acting in such a manner. Read Help:Your first article, and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, and if you can actually provide evidence that the company in question meets our notability guidelines, it may be possible to create an article on it. A neutral, encyclopaedic one, not the promotional fluff you have written. It will however not be 'your' page either. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Samg67895. While I'll express myself a little less grumpily than Andy, I agree with all he says. Like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is not for promotion - ie, telling the world about your company. If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your company, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be for your benefit, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, should preferably not be written by you, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about your company, not on what you say or want to say. It follows that unless several people unconnected with you have published significant coverage of your company in reliable sources, then there is nothing that can go into an article about it, and no article will be accepted: the Wikipedia jargon for this is whether or not your company is notable. If you can find such sources to establish notability, then you are permitted to try and create an article (though discouraged). You must make a formal declaration of yourself as a paid editor, study about editing with a conflict of interest, and use the articles for creation process - you will be advised to read your first article. Be aware that creating an article is perhaps the most difficult task there is for an inexperienced editor, and it is very much more difficult if you have a conflict of interest.

My advice to you is that if you want to contribute this wonderful collaborative project to make knowledge accessible, you put aside the idea of writing about your own affairs, and try the Wikipedia Adventure. If you are here only to promote your company, then please do it somewhere else. --ColinFine (talk) 09:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Samg67895. The tech details of all this are a little beyond my expertise, so I wouldn't normally chime in. But Grumpy or not, I think Andy's first point could stand a little elaboration. His comments got me curious, so I looked to see what you had done. And I was flabbergasted and dumbfounded and a few other "... ed's" that I haven't thought of yet.

So, you've got a company you call "Ridge," and you think it should have a Wikipedia entry. So you take the Wikipedia article on "Ridge," meaning the geological feature, wipe out its content, and fill it with a blurb on your company. That does look kind of heavy- if not under- handed.

But the Mantra is, Assume Good Faith. And I try to do that for anything that's not obvious mischief. So if it had been your intention to "hijack" that article to sneak in a promo for your company, I doubt if you would then come onto this open forum to ask what you did wrong.

I think, rather, that you took the other article as kind of a model for the one you wanted to write. Then, as if it were a word processing system, you figured that if you saved your article, perhaps with a slightly modified title, your article would go in and the original would remain untouched.

But it doesn't work like that. What you actually did was more like:

• Go into your neighborhood public library and find a paper-and-ink encyclopedia;
• Pull out the "R" volume and page to the article about (the geological) Ridge;
• Use scissors or a razor to cut out the pages that present that article;
• Insert your company prospectus or brochure, and reshelve the volume.

Happily, thanks to technology, while it is now possible to do such a thing while honestly not meaning to do any damage, it's also possible to put it all back to rights with a few clicks and keystrokes. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Ridge the geological feature is clearly what most people will be looking for. Instead of trying to destroy that article, create a draft at Draft:Ridge (company) for your company if it's notable, and submit it through WP:AFC, as this is the correct process for paid editors. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Interface issues when I log in

When I log in to Wikipedia I get an interface that is bilingual where choices I can make are in French. I tried to upload an image (a jpg) but this system keeps rejecting every efforts I made to upload it. It would appear my account is considered to be a French one (perhaps because I live in a French speaking area). Can this be fixed and what do I need to do to fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expatjayray (talk • contribs) 06:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia's software does not detect where you are. If you go to https://en.wikipedia.org/ you find English-language Wikipedia; https://fr.wikipedia.org/ , French-language Wikipedia; https://wikipedia.org/ , an index to all the different language versions. Maproom (talk) 08:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@Expatjayray: Your preferences at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal include a language option. What is that set to? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@Expatjayray: the trouble you had uploading the image was not due to language. Instead you triggered a filter that stops new users from uploading small jpg files due to frequent copyright problems: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Expatjayray. You can upload the image directly via Upload wizard. MKFI (talk) 11:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I want to list my current company - M/s Jerai Fitness on Wikipedia

Hi,

Im facing a problem as I do not know how to list my company - Jerai Fitness on Wikipedia.

The company is a 27 year old company in Mumbai, India and we are really interested in creating a profile for the company M/s Jerai Fitness Pvt. Ltd and also our brand Being Strong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerai Fitness (talk • contribs) 07:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

If you read the section How I Can Make Page of My Organization above, you will find the answers. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Also my fuller answer to #Change Page Name just above, Jerai Fitness. In addition, your username is not acceptable, as it appears to be promotional and represent an organisation rather than yourself personally. --ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Wikipedia does not have profiles- not a single one. Wikipedia has articles, typically written by independent editors. Wikipedia is not a directory of businesses, but an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 09:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Email as source

I noticed the article Stephen Heymann sources an email which is not available. This is not verifiable. But it also seems like a useful source. Is there a way it can be used, e.g. with OTRS? --Ysangkok (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

No, Ysangkok, unpublished information can never be used in an article: that contravenes the core policy of verifiability. --ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Colin Powell

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Colin Powell - POWELL is a Welsh name that comes from "ap Howell" that means son of Howell as origin of surname from Ancestry.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.228.112 (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

If you are proposing an addition to the Colin Powell article, please do so at Talk:Colin Powell. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

That information is already properly included at Powell (surname). Colin is not the only notable person with that surname. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

(Resolved) Article "War Production Board" has contradiction with dates; needs review

Hello,

Please can someone review the sources for the article War Production Board to see when the board was formed? In the lead of the article, it says it was established in January 1942; in the infobox, it says it was formed in August 1941. Perhaps this difference in terminology is relevant, however, and they are both correct. If that is the case though, that needs to be clarified. Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 17:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

The January 1942 date was apparently added in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

User:David Biddulph: Thank you. I seem to remember finding that when I first encountered the article and noticed the problem. But now we have three potential dates. A review of the sources is definitely needed to determine the correct information. DesertPipeline (talk) 17:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@DesertPipeline:, the 1941 date is simply wrong, as the Executive Order is dated 1/16/1942. I've changed the infobox and removed the contradictory tags. Thank you for bringing that to our attention and I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Eggishorn: Thank you very much :) DesertPipeline (talk) 21:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Review/ input needed for Template:Socialism in the UK

Hi all. Another user and I have disagreement over the scope of Template:Socialism in the UK - before any more editing can continue, we need outside opinion on our discourse to figure out the scope of the template/ what parties can be included within it. It would be great to know where best this can be actioned/ where to highlight this on. Jamzze (talk) 18:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

It is being discussed at Template talk:Socialism in the UK. If a consensus can't be formed there, the options include WP:3O and other methods at WP:DR. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Rian Hughes wiki page

Hello - I have been attempting to update my own Wikipedia page. I am Rian Hughes, and some of the information is very old, incomplete or incorrect. I have tried to do this in a factual and not self-promoting manner, as per guidelines.

However, it appears it's all been deleted/reverted (as I was correcting the biography) as it was flagged as vandalism. This was a good few hours work, and I did not save the text myself outside of Wikipedia. Could you tell me why it was flagged, and how to reinstate it?

I still need to add more edits.

I have also created a 'ScienceService' (my user name) user page hoping that that is where I post about issues I'm having, but it seems the only option was to "publish" it, so I'm not sure if it's a public-facing page or an internal one! If that was not the right place to discuss the issue, could you please remove it. I'm afraid this is very confusing.

Thanks

Rian Hughes — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceService (talk • contribs) 19:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

ScienceService Wikipedia has an article about you, not a mere "page". You should avoid editing it directly in most cases, but you may make formal edit requests (click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. Please see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ScienceService. All pages in Wikipedia are publically visible, which is why "Save Changes" was altered to "Publish changes"; but only articles are indexed by external search engines, so others (such as your user page, and drafts) will only be seen by people who go looking for them. Your user page, if you choose to create one, is for you to share information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor: a limited amount of more general biographical information is acceptable, but not anything that looks like an article.

You are strongly discouraged from directly editing an article about yourself; but you are very welcome to make edit request on the article's talk page. Note that Wikipedia's core principle of Verifiability means that an article should contain only information which is backed up by a reliably published source: personal knowledge is not acceptable. More generally, please read WP:AUTOPROB.

Note that the edits you made to Rian Hughes are still there, in the article's history: you shouldn't just reapply them, as I said, but you can look at the version you created and copy material out of it for making an edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 19:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello again - thanks for getting back to me. I have no idea how to "reply" to your comments, I'm afraid, so am pasting it here. Apologies if this is the wrong place. :) I did not create the original "Rian Hughes" page - I have no idea who did that, but it's not been updated in years and, as I say, contains out of date and incomplete information. Could you look at what I've done and advise? I have just added additional details, taken out some of the out of date material, reordered the bibliography and added books that were missing, etc etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceService (talk • contribs) 19:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC) (Moved here from above section by Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC))

ScienceService Please do as suggested and make edit requests on the article's talk page, Talk:Rian Hughes. Please also note that for verifiability purposes we can't just take your word for things. The article about you should primarily summarize what independent reliable sources say. 331dot (talk) 22:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

ScienceService, the various past versions of the article may be found listed in its "History"; one version last edited by you is here. You might copy what you regard as important parts of this to a text file on your hard drive, match each significant nugget within this to a reliable (independent, published) source, and copy each of these and paste it to Talk:Rian Hughes as an edit request. (See Talk:Nicholson Baker for a demonstration of how this can work smoothly.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Brandman University page needs update

Hello,

I'm writing from the Public Affairs Office at University of Massachusetts Global (formerly Brandman University). I submitted a request to the Talk Page for the [University entry] to have the page updated to our current name and affiliation.

As of Sept. 1 the former Brandman University has adopted a new name - UMass Global - and has exited the Chapman University System to begin a new affiliation with UMass Global. We'd like to request an update to the "Brandman University" entry reflect the current facts, but it doesn't look like the page is being monitored. Who should I reach out to for assistance?

Thank you,

EdwardsBU (talk) 23:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Andrew Edwards Sr. Multimedia Writer UMass Global

EdwardsBU First, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. Regarding your question, a retitling is done with a page move, which may be requested at Requested Moves. Edit requests on article talk pages should be marked as such for visibility, see edit request. 331dot (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@EdwardsBU: I added the {{request edit}} template to your talk page request, to get more attention to your request. GoingBatty (talk) 01:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC

@331dot, @GoingBatty Thank you. Is there some element of the conflict policy I'm missing? I had thought I had made all required disclosures of my employment/affiliation.

EdwardsBU I realize that you said it here, and possibly elsewhere, but for clarity it's best to declare it on your user page, User:EdwardsBU. Please see WP:PAID for how you can do that. 331dot (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)