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October 19

Marking Draft Talk Page as Patrolled?

If a draft talk page has a link in the lower right corner that says "Mark Page as Patrolled", what will I actually be doing if I click on that link? What is the significance of whether and when a draft talk page is marked as patrolled? My understanding of patrolling has to do with New Page Patrol, which is very important to preserving the quality of articles in the encyclopedia. I am aware that non-article pages, including drafts and WP project pages, are also listed in their own New Page Patrol queues. In particular, article pages are reviewed by NPP and can be tagged for speedy deletion, proposed for deletion, or nominated for deletion. What is the importance or unimportance of marking a draft talk page as patrolled? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Robert, the best I could find was this: "the benefit of patrolling user talk pages, sockpuppetry investigations and deletion discussions is low", and I assume the same applies to draft talk pages. I don't bother clicking it (it presumably sends a worthless and confusing notification to the page's creator, so the harm outweighs any possible benefit), although I understand others do. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Notability and references for an article

After Babri Masjid demolition, Hindu temples, and one Sikh temple were attacked in the United Kingdom. No mention who did it, but one printed newspaper implied that British Pakistanis were responsible, which doesn't have an online version.

1992 temple attacks in UK

Is it possible to create an article on these few sources? Can anyone find any academic or old media archive source?

UK- https://www.upi.com/Archives/1992/12/09/Further-arson-attacks-on-religious-temples/2203723877200/

Mentioned at the end- https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/10/world/hindu-muslim-riots-intensify-troops-fire-at-crowds.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hindu-premises-targeted-in-third-night-of-arson-1562688.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/fears-grow-over-temple-attacks-1562566.html

Shree Krishna Mandir in West Bromwich, which was destroyed in an arson attack on 8 December 1992. £1.6m Hindu temple opens after 18 years (August 2010) describes the opening of the rebuilt mandir.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2010/08/23/1-6m-hindu-temple-opens-after-18-years/

ZebraaaLounge (talk) 02:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZebraaaLounge: If this is in regards to a particular article (perhaps 2021 Bangladesh riots?), you should discuss this on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

No. How is 1992 UK related to 2021 Bangladesh? ZebraaaLounge (talk) 02:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZebraaaLounge: Ah, I was only glancing at your recent contributions. My point still stands; please discuss this on the relevant article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZebraaaLounge: If there isn't enough info to write a standalone article about the UK arsons (I haven't read all the sources you linked, sorry, just the NYT piece), is there an existing article for the related Indian conflict? If so, you could start by covering the UK incidents as a section in the other article, and split it off if it becomes sufficiently developed. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

How to group 24 references/sources together under a single ref?

I came across Siege of Leningrad#Timeline, which has no fewer than 24 references for its first sentence! These are actually general sources for the timeline that follows, and apply to it collectively. How do I group the 24 references into a single clickable reference that will then take you down to the actual list of 24 at the bottom of the page? I know I've seen this done on other pages, but couldn't find any examples just now. Thank you for your help! Ganesha811 (talk) 02:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

That's a lot! See H:CITEMERGE. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, that looks helpful. Lordy, I'm not sure I'm up to it, but I'll give it a shot! Ganesha811 (talk) 03:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I have the page watchlisted and will happily double-check and clean up. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:16, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong - it looks ok in the preview but totally breaks in article space. Self-reverting, and if you wouldn't mind trying, I would appreciate it. Thanks again! Ganesha811 (talk) 23:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ganesha811: working on it! Firefangledfeathers (talk) 00:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Oof this is a messy one! We have named references and Harvard template citations mixed in. I'll keep poking at it, but we could maybe use a more experienced cite-wizard. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 00:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ganesha811: I have an imperfect solution that I'm in the middle of implementing. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 01:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey!!

my company i wanted to create a wikipedia page seeing we have a movie release next year in august but was denied . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warzonecomics (talk • contribs) 03:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Warzonecomics: What was the name of the Wikipedia article that was "denied"? ––FormalDude talk 04:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

we created 2 one for the character Bugsy and one for the film Bugsy "The Becoming" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.73.240.138 (talk) 04:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Warzonecomics it is actually quite rare for a movie to be notable before it has been released and professional critical reviews have published. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:24, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

the project and the character has been around before social media, when yahoo was just geocities and probably before wikipedia but we have a decent fan base outside of social media and we look to bring that and some to our pages on the internet etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.73.240.138 (talk) 07:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

You have no "pages" here. Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages", and those articles are not in any way for the benefit of the subject. There might be benefits on the side, but we aren't concerned with those. 331dot (talk) 08:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Warzonecomics: Hi there! When you want to improve articles related to your company, you may post suggestions on the article talk pages with the {{request edit}} template, preferably providing independent and reliable sources. You may not edit those articles directly due to your conflict of interest (COI). You should also create a new username and declare your COI. Also, you may be interested in reading the history of Yahoo! and Yahoo! GeoCities. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 12:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Filter for inappropriate edit summaries?

Is there a filter for edit summaries with insult words similar to Wikipedia:Edit filter? Or are them all have to be reported manually to be redacted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Güherçile (talk • contribs) 10:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Remove Banner ?

What can I to remove this banner from a page? This article has multiple issues. Please help to improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. (Learn how and when to remove these template messages) This article needs additional citations for verification. (October 2021) A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (October 2021) Eashleyfox (talk) 16:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

In the banner to which you refer, the words "Learn how and when to remove these template messages" are in blue to indicate that they are a wikilink, which leads to Help:Maintenance template removal. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Why can't Creative Commons 4.0 text be copied into Wikipedia (which is CC BY-SA 3.0)

Hi all

I know CC 4.0 (BY and BY-SA) images can be used on Wikipedia, however I know that 4.0 text cannot be copied into Wikipedia, unlike 3.0 text. I've seen Crow write here that 'CC-BY-SA 4.0's terms state that the Share Alike part must be at version 4 or any later version. Since we're published under CC-BY-SA-3, we can't currently meet that requirement'. However I can't point to where this is stated in the license. Does anyone know where I could find this wording?

Thanks very much

. John Cummings (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@John Cummings: I found these links. [1] that shows which licenses are considered compatible. For 4.0, it must be 4.0 or later to be compatible. Here is the license text for 4.0, which states that you need to use a compatible license: [2]. So for 4.0 you need to use 4.0 or later licenses. This is not legal advice, if you want legal advice, consult a lawyer, etc. RudolfRed (talk) 18:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi RudolfRed thanks so much, this is exactly what I needed :) John Cummings (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

How to Setup WikiPedia

Hello Team,

How to Set-up WikiPedia.

Thanks & Regards,

Satheesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digifobs (talk • contribs) 17:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Digifobs: There's no need to set up Wikipedia, as it's already set up for users. If you're talking about creating an article for a company or organisation you work for, I strongly encourage not attempting to do so unless you're able to find reliable sources, and that someone unconnected to the subject work on it rather than yourself. In such a case you should also disclose your affiliation with the company. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Request

Hi

I am trying to edit Brampton Carlisle wiki page and add some Weather Information.

The information is 100% correct but its been deleted twice and I now have a warning that I am vandalizing the page.

This is not my intention, I just have some weather data to add to a small local page

Please help me

Thankyou Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulACrabtree (talk • contribs) 19:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

PaulACrabtree Please discuss your edits on the article talk page, and offer any independent reliable sources that you have. 331dot (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, PaulACrabtree. Somebody reverting your edit means that that editor disagrees that the edit is an improvement, that's all. It doesn't mean they're right or that you're right, just that they disagree with you (and it does not necessarily mean that "Wikipedia doesn't accept your edit", just that particular editor). When that happens, the thing to do is to open a discussion on the question, inviting the other editor, to put your arguments and try and reach consensus. Sometimes, the other editor will be arguing from a Wikipedia policy that you don't know about. Sometimes they may be mistaken about your intentions. Sometimes they may have different ideas from you of what belongs in a particular article: you don't know until you discuss it. Maybe you'll convince them; maybe they'll convince you. Maybe you'll reach a compromise. Maybe you'll be unable to reach a compromise, and then you can follow the procedures in dispute resolution. What you must not do is simply apply your edit again: that is called edit warring, and is regarded as disruptive. The process is explained in WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. --ColinFine (talk) 20:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@PaulACrabtree: as a reader I would expect to find weather information in the article for a region or maybe a major city, but not for every smaller settlement. On the other hand, if a locality has an official weather station, then maybe we should include that data regardless? City of Carlisle (the LGA) has it and South Lakeland doesn't. Carlisle the city does and Brampton didn't. I wonder if this is a general question that's bigger than the one article, and whether anyone knows of similar discussions that may have occurred elsewhere. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 21:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Peer review template after page move

Quick question: After agreement on the talk page, I moved Yuzuru Hanyu Olympics seasons to Yuzuru Hanyu Olympic seasons. However, I did not consider the effects on the peer review page and related templates. In the archives I found this suggestion to add the |page= parameter to the PR template on the talk page, but it didn't connect to the existing PR page. It still asks to choose a topic.

Thank you very much in advance. Henni147 (talk) 19:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Henni147: Welcome to the help desk! All that needed to be done was moving the peer review page to the title the article was moved to. I've completed that and the peer review now appears at the top of the Article's talk page. ––FormalDude talk 00:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Thank you very much for your quick help! Henni147 (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Lupton family

I have added a file/photo in the Alan Cecil Lupton section of this page (at the bottom, photo of Alan Lupton) that is a little too big, please make the photo smaller. Thank you in advance 49.3.146.151 (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I've made the image smaller. ––FormalDude talk 00:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC)