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September 21

Edit information about a person

Aaron Jones from the Green Bay Packers needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:346:F80:190:7550:5DE1:2E9E:BF36 (talk) 02:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Aaron Jones (running back) and all articles about active NFL players need to be updated as the season progresses. If you have any specific suggestions for the article, you can make them at the article's talk page: Talk:Aaron Jones (running back). Include a reliable source that can be used as a reference, if possible. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Are mailing lists referencable?

For this article Valknut (software). The name change was discussed in a gentoo mailing list and is that referencable? --Greatder (talk) 07:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Greatder, Could any person access that discussion? If yes then it might be considered as "published". However, that still leaves its reliability in question. Finally it would also be a primary source, which is subject to several limitations. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Dodger67: So I assume it can only be used as primary verifiability source for another sendary source? (Side question, Is there any way to reply without colons, two couple of third bracket, name copying and typesetting?) --Greatder (talk) 08:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

How to display stock price chart?

Hi! I was wondering how to display the stock price of a company. I'm working on a draft about the Evergrande liquidity crisis and would find it useful to be able to do so. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 09:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

This is, as a rule, something we don't do regularly as it's tangential. Wikipedia is written for the benefit of the layperson, so including stock information on a company isn't helpful unless it's central to the topic (such as, say, Enron), and even then it's handled on a case-by-case basis. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 12:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@A. C. Santacruz: In this case the effects of the liquidity crisis on the stock price at this particular point in time may be relevant to the article and useful to the reader, whereas any attempt at an ongoing price chart would not (WP:NOTNEWS). You will need to build the chart yourself using (and citing) reliable sources. To create a chart or graph, see Wikipedia:Graphs and charts. Alternatively, use a graphics program such as Inkscape or Gnuplot to create an image file, and upload it to Commons and then add the image to the article. -Arch dude (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Jéské Couriano and Arch dude:! A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 15:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Policy on birth names

If a subject of an article states a preference that their middle name not be mentioned in their article (see Talk:Jacksepticeye#Seán William), what is the WP policy on how to present their name. MOS:FULLNAME seems to suggest presenting the full name but it doesn't talk about a case like this. Also, do you think what Jacksepticeye says in his most recent video (cited next to his name now) is good enough to indicate we should make a change? It isn't quite explicitly a call to remove from his WP article and it could be half-jokingly but it does seem to clearly be a statement that he doesn't like that name being used. I'm asking here rather than the article talk page as I'm interested in seeing if there are any policies about cases like this. Thanks. Alduin2000 (talk) 10:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Alduin2000 Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of personal information and using primary sources says "With identity theft a serious ongoing concern, many people regard their full names and dates of birth as private. Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public." At present the middle name in the article does not seem to be cited. If you want clarification of the policy I suggest reading the whole section and then asking on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, ideally quoting what the Youtube video says. TSventon (talk) 11:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is sourced in the lead or early life sections but quite a few sources mention the middle name, including sources used in the article. His middle name is mentioned by The Irish Times [1][2][3], Irish Examiner [4][5], and Irish Independent [6]. The policy mentions what to do in the case where a subject of an article requests that their DOB be removed, but not their full name. Is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard definitely the right place for this? It says at the top "This page is for reporting issues regarding biographies of living persons. Generally this means cases where editors are repeatedly adding defamatory or libelous material to articles about living people over an extended period." I'll start a section there if needed, or wherever is best. Thanks. Alduin2000 (talk) 14:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

The argument appears to be that Jacksepticeye himself requested that "William" be removed from the article. However I've always been told that what the subject of an article wants to happen to the article doesn't matter because Wikipedia is based on reliable secondary sources. If there aren't any sources that have "William" in the name then yes it should be removed. However if there are sources that have "William" in his name and they're reliable, then it should be kept. Also, I've always heard that Youtube can really only be used as a source for sub counts and view counts on videos. Despite this someone has sourced a video by the subject of the article as a reason for his middle name to not be included. What should be done in this case? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 14:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, if there are any relevant policies that would help in this situation, please let me know what they are. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 15:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, did you see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of personal information and using primary sources, which I linked earlier?

Alduin2000, BLPN is my best suggestion, you can blame the helpdesk if I am wrong, or me if you prefer. Generally suggests there can be exceptions. TSventon (talk) 20:19, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@TSventon: I looked at that and like another editor says, it only says that we should follow the subject's wishes if it has to do with the DOB. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 20:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks TSventon. I'll ask there at some point. Alduin2000 (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Questions on template usage

Is it wrong/incorrect to use {{For}} in the body of an article? I've majoritively seen {{See also}} and {{Main article}} being used in the body of various article, however recently I saw {{For}} usage was increasingly being used outside the normal/expected usage location (at the start of an article) such as replacing {{See also}} especially on articles related to Korean singer. Hence would like clarification on such as I have never seen other non-Korean singer articles or article unrelated to Entertainment having such usage nor did I came across pages under Wikipedia namespace having such usage. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Paper9oll, such hatnotes can be used at the top of relevant sections - directly below the heading, before the section text. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Dodger67 Ok understood, I didn't know that it is fine to include the {{For}} beyond the top of the article as I only mostly see {{See also}}, {{Main article}}, and occassionally {{Further information}} in usage. Anyway, thanks you. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Preventing a page from being repeatedly vandalised?

Hi, I'm sorry for asking a question that has almost certainly been asked before. An Australian musician's wiki is being vandalised repeatedly. His profession is being changed in the main text and in the infobox to 'geographer'. Perhaps there IS a geographer with the same name, but this is not his page. How can I prevent this happening in future? The page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Colwell. Thanks. Akkeri (talk) 13:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

If the disruptive editing (Not always vandalism) is persistent then you can request for the page to be protected at WP:RPP ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 13:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Akkeri You can request for page protection at WP:RPP. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I've semiprotected the article for three months. Deor (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Stéphane Auger on Wikipedia

Good morning,

I would like to report unapproved content on the Wikipedia page of Stéphane Auger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Auger.

Could you please assist in taking this page down as it is causing prejudice to Mr. Auger.

Thank you very much, Josée Lavoie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavoiejo (talk • contribs) 14:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Content in the article does not require the approval of the subject. It merely requires to have been published in independent reliable sources. If you are editing on behalf of the subject you need to read about conflict of interest, and about paid editing which requires a mandatory declaration. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I have however tagged that article for neutral point of view concerns, as it seems overly focused on controversies/negative aspects of his career. That being said, we don't do "approved content". Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Lavoiejo: Hi there! Thank you for sharing your concerns. Since you have a conflict of interest, you should declare that on your user page and not directly edit the article. You may use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to let us know and specific concerns or suggestions (and provide reliable published sources when possible), so other editors can respond. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Help to publish an article from Draft to Mainspace - user : Altiora

Dear all, I find it very difficult to understand the instructions on how to move an article from Draft to Mainspace. I'm happy with the Draft about the Marist Singer's of NSW. Is someone able to help me. Thanks Anthony Golding. --Altiora (talk) 14:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Altiora, I took a look at Draft:Marist Singer's of NSW (Australia) & Young Sydney Singer's and I'm afraid it is nowhere near ready for mainspace. Please see the Your first article guide for the minimum standards required for a new article. I'd also strongly advise that you do not move the draft yourself but rather submit it to AFC for review. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

spygate

is not a conspiracy theory, the democrats got caught — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.90.19 (talk) 16:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! If you have a specific suggestion to improve a particular Wikipedia article, such as Spygate (conspiracy theory), you may post it on the article's talk page, such as Talk:Spygate (conspiracy theory). Be sure to provide reliable sources to support the changes you want to be made. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Donation

I keep getting reminders to contribute to Wikipedia. I have been giving a monthly donation for a couple years now. I understand you don’t know me, but it always makes me feel badly that I can’t let you know I DO give.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:283:4b00:4000:24e6:2455:bb87:9af8 (talk)

If you create an account and sign in, there is a preference you can set to disable the fundraising banners. Otherwise, just ignore them. RudolfRed (talk) 21:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

There is no way for Wikipedia to know that the person sitting at the computer/holding the device at any given moment has donated. As noted, if you create an account, you can suppress the requests. 331dot (talk) 21:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

That, and IP addresses can change rather frequently. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)