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August 10

Producing a graph for this company

Hi. For AMTD Digital I want to ask if there is a way to produce a graph that shows the stock price of it during these last 2 weeks?

The reason the company is notable in the first place is because how high it jumped in only 2 weeks. It would be nice if that could be illustrated.

-Imcdc (talk) 00:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

No, and stock prices don't help for notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Imcdc. I am not proficient at creating graphs, but take a look at GameStop short squeeze which is also about a company that also had dramatic swings in its stock price. That article has graphs of the sort you are talking about. You can use the same coding techniques. Cullen328 (talk) 01:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Jéské Couriano, the company is notable and the dramatic fluctuations in its stock prices have received significant coverage in the highest quality financial publications worldwide. Cullen328 (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

AMTD Digital's article was created six days ago, and its history suggests the only reason for that creation was because of its recent share-price changes. Please remember that Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. Bazza (talk) 08:56, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Imcdc It took me a few minutes to realise that the GameStop article uses a special template {{GameStop stock price graph}} based on the general template {{Graph:Chart}}. You ought to be able to work from that. And Bazza 7, WP:NOTNEWS merely affirms that we do not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories. We do, however, use reliable already-published sources to create articles on notable topics in the news, as seen every single day on the Main Page. As Cullen328 points out, AMTD Digital meets our standard guidelines. I even spotted coverage of it in The Times last Saturday, which I added to the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks! I recreated the graph for AMTD Digital using the same template. Although I do have a bit of trouble trying to find the best place to place the graph. Maybe someone here can find a more suitable position? -Imcdc (talk) 13:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Using m^2 vs km^2

Hello all! I was looking at the article for Recursive islands and lakes and I noticed one of the tables uses m^2 as their measurement while all the other tables use km^2 as their measurement. None of the values in the table that uses m^2 are particularly served by using meters instead of kilometers (they aren't much bigger or smaller than the others), so I'm wondering if I should change it to km^2 and divide the numbers appropriately? Thank you! Tyong127 (talk) 03:33, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

About that article-- those islands and lakes aren't so much recursive, as nested. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tyong127: It's a matter of editorial judgement, so you are free to make the decision. The areas in the one table that uses m^2 are really, really small, so I would just leave it alone. Remember that there are one million (1000^2) square meters in a square kilometer.

Identical big or small chunks of crucial information in 2 articles

If two articles contain the same important, not easily found information in about 2–10 chapters, then how to decide which is a better place for these paragraphs, or do we need to duplicate those from one article to another? I moved 2 paragraphs (with some grammar corrections) to an article where I thought those paragraphs were more important. Then I deleted those 2 paragraphs from the first article and made a "See also" -link there. I also wrote in summary (fi.wiki): "the Civil War portion (2 paragraphs) has been moved to the article Syrian Civil War". Then the corrector restored 2 old chapters and deleted the link with a message: "text containing sources has been deleted without justification". This is a difficult and common problem but I have found nothing about it in the Wikipedia help files. Jari Rauma (talk) 11:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Excuse my translation error in two places: 'chapters' should be 'paragraphs'. Jari Rauma (talk) 11:33, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jari Rauma. I think that the nearest guidance here is WP:CFORK but Finnish Wikipedia will have its own guidance, so really you need to ask at their equivalent of the Helpdesk/Teahouse, which I assume you can find knowing the language. Clearly, small bits of information may be justify being repeated in multiple articles but large chunks are better covered just once, if only for ease of updating. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for a quick answer. Very much faster because of about a hundred more users. Jari Rauma (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Can you advise how I change my image profile on my dedicated page- Thank you

Can you advise how I change my image profile on my dedicated page- Thank you Macasso (talk) 14:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Macasso: i'm assuming you want to add an image of yourself to your userpage.

you need to upload a picture of yourself through the file upload wizard, and then add the picture to your userpage. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 14:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

lettherebedarklight I think they might be referring to Jim McCarthy (comics). Theroadislong (talk) 14:15, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this looks like Jim McCarthy (comics). Since this is a Wikipedia article and he is a living person, the image would have to be free to use. It looks like you uploaded the current image to Wikimedia Commons in 2014. If you took a new self portrait of reasonable technical and artistic quality, you could upload it to Commons with a CC license and use it in the infobox of the Wikipedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

"Overlinking" or was it proper linking?

An editor/reviewer on Aug. 9 twice reverted the WP link to the article "United States" I added to the first sentence of Languages of the United States. My link allegedly violated WP's overlink policy of never linking "common terms." Yet every single country-related WP article (ex., "Languages of...," "Demography of...," etc.) is linked to its specific country upon first mention. The editor is unimpressed that 99.99% of country-specific articles in WP are blue-linked this way; my link still runs counter to the guidelines. I think the editor has misread the guidelines, but otherwise, shouldn't the thousands of similar articles be de-linked too? Mason.Jones (talk) 17:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mason.Jones: When you are involved in a "content dispute" (WP:DISPUTE) like this, you should open a discussion with the other editor on the article's talk page. Be sure to ping the other editor. Assume good faith, be polite, and try hard to reach consensus. You can come back here if all of that fails. -Arch dude (talk) 18:02, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Arch dude. Thanks. The editor/reviewer and I did discuss this at his talk page. The editor/reviewer said to reread the "overlink" guidelines and take the issue here if I disagreed with his rollback. I just seek a neutral-party assessment of my link (which is WP practice at 99.99%). Mason.Jones (talk) 18:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Editor BilCat sent you to WP:OLINK and its talk page (Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking); not here (Wikipedia:Help desk). This is the wrong place because any lengthy discussion will be automatically archived after three or four days whether the discussion is finished or not.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Had thought this was the better place, but will take the issue there. Mason.Jones (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing/Proposed decision

How will i know when Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing/Proposed decision is finalized? Please {{ping}} me when you reply? Jax 0677 (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: it's finalized. See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing for the final decision. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:56, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

The case close was also noted on WP:AN and WP:AC/N. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:55, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Template transclusion line spacing

There is an extra blank line rendered before the table at World Chess Championship 1984–1985#1983–84 Candidates Tournament (although only a single blank line is included in the source code, as is usual). How can the relevant Template:8TeamBracket-info be modified to avoid that? Hildeoc (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Remove the empty line before the template. It's generating <p><br></p> which is causing the gap you see. Bazza (talk) 18:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: Thanks, but as I tried to imply, a single empty line before a template (which is similar to spacing a new paragraph) is totally normal in the source code, and should only be rendered as a line break, not an actual line spacing. Hence, I was asking how to fix the template as such. Hildeoc (talk) 22:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Special:ExpandTemplates shows the template output doesn't start with an empty line but a table with a margin:

{| border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 style="font-size: 90%; margin:1em 2em 1em 1em;

It also did so before using a module.[1] This is clearly deliberate. A change would require discussion. Existing uses may rely on the current margins for layout. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Missing country table list

In Google Play § Availability, Ethiopia is not included to the list as this is mandatory to the table. Could do add Ethiopia to the list or by calling someone who have knowledge about Google Play-related subject? 196.188.224.225 (talk) 22:21, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

A line before the table reads: Users outside the countries/regions listed below only have access to free apps and games through Google Play. A quick search gives this help article which supports that statement for Ethiopia. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)