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December 7

Editing a page

On the Page of Isaac Abarbanel it says his burial sight is unknown. That is NOT TRUE. I visited is burial site and I have a photograph of the grave. That is my reference. I am an Abarbanel descendant. I visited his gravesite in 2014 accompanied by the local rabbi. I edited this page and you deleted it because of my source. How can this be remedied? I can submit the photo. Abarbaneledit (talk) 02:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

As a matter of principle, we insist on information coming from published sources, not the assertion of some random person on the internet. Your assertion was not backed by any published source(s). --Orange Mike | Talk 03:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Abarbaneledit: However, by convention we consider a gravestone (or other written monument in a public place) to be "published". Therefore you can upload your picture to commons and add it to the article. Go to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to see how to upload the picture to commons. As part of the upload process, please be meticulous about the date, time, and location when when you took the picture: This information must be sufficient to allow another interested party to find the grave. I personally prefer to use the precise GPS co-ordinates. -Arch dude (talk) 03:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I thought that information engraved on a gravestone is indeed "published" but is not considered "reliable" for use on Wikipedia. First, in most cases there is no way to tell whether the gravestone refers to the subject or to another person with the same name, and second, there is in general no fact-checking done on gravestone inscriptions. (I know that the text inscribed on my mother's gravestone is just whatever I wrote on the cemetery's form, which was accepted with no fact-checking.) For example, Find a Grave is not considered a reliable source, even though most Find a Grave entries include a photo of the gravestone. A photo of a gravestone could be evidence that the gravestone exists, but probably not much more than that. CodeTalker (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

anonymous revert without reason?

If someone makes a (bad) revert to an edit, but does so anonymously and with no reason given, am I supposed to engage them on the talk page even if they would not see it unless then have a log-in with a watch page? It concerns this revert. tahc ^chat 03:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Tahc: engage on the article's talk page. Depending on the situation, you may need to revert their revert with a comment to look at the talk page, but be careful of the "three revert" rule (WP:3RR). If you are using valid edit summaries and making an effort on the talk page while the anonymous editor is reverting but not responding, come back here and maybe someone can give you better advice. -Arch dude (talk) 03:38, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Tahc, you can do what I did:

• assess the edit: it was both against the year-linking policy and ridiculous
• assess their talk page: a long tale of reversions and ignored warnings
• fearlessly click the red "Vandalism" link on the diff page
• leave a final warning on IP user's talk page

When the unconstructive, WP:NOTHERE editing is this bad, there's no need to hesitate. Quisqualis (talk) 06:11, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: what red "Vandalism" link on the diff page? Sounds useful, but I can't see it. Bazza (talk) 09:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Quisqualis It's actually on the article's history page. David10244 (talk) 11:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Twitter Files

Do not reply to posts that are intentionally written to be inflammatory. The article in question is at Articles for deletion anyhow. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 14:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
As a long time user and supporter (generally $100/year), I am utterly disgusted by your current article regarding Elon Musk’s disclosure of files documenting the decision to suppress the contents of the Hunter Biden lap top. Truly disappointed and disgusted. Shame on you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:A33C:5366:F5A5:E047:A89A:AD07 (talk) 03:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC) You should note that the people who write the articles aren't receiving any money. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 03:50, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Where can I post

I just finished a fairly in-depth copy-edit of Kalighat painting. I left the references tag up because I suspect there may be good sources in languages I do not speak, and while there are 15 sources the article is quite long, and perhaps relies rather heavily on long lyrical quotes. OTOH two of the authors have an Wikidata entry but no Wikipedia article, so there may be a project there for someone. I was wondering if you could suggest a place to list it. I was looking for, but did not find, a portal for Bengali art, for example. I think that there is the making of a Good Article, but while I enjoyed working on it, I already.have a lot of projects, and I think another better-qualified editor probably could be found for this one? Any suggestions? Elinruby (talk) 04:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Elinruby There is a currently active Project at WP:INWB where they have the ambition to make Culture of Bengal a featured article. There ought to be editors who you could reach via one of the Project Talk Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

great suggestion, thanks Elinruby (talk) 11:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Change profine picture of the page Boudewijn Röell

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudewijn_R%C3%B6ell

Can the profile picture please be removed or changed? I`ve tried to do it many times myself but i cant get it changed.

Please help, Thanks in advance. Wfbroell (talk) 09:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Wfbroell This is the English Wikipedia, we cannot help you with any issues on another language Wikipedia, which is a separate project. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

...that being said, the OP managed to do it about one hour after asking. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

But they used wrong code. I have fixed it.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

My details was mixed with others details

My name is K V Satyanarayana Kuchipudi Dancer, my details in Wikipedia was mixed with other person with same name k v satyanarayana. In on that i was dead. Some people miss leading. This is very sad. please check and correct this.

Karothi Venkata Satyanarayana, better known as K. V. Satyanarayana is a Kuchipudi dancer, choreographer, dance director and composer in India. Missing: Died ‎| Must include: Died KALARATNA DR.K.V.SATYANARAYANA (talk) 11:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

My name is K V Satyanarayana Kuchipudi Dancer, my details in Wikipedia was mixed with other person with same name k v satyanarayana. In on that i was dead. Some people miss leading. This is very sad. please check and correct this.

Karothi Venkata Satyanarayana, better known as K. V. Satyanarayana is a Kuchipudi dancer, choreographer, dance director and composer in India. Missing: Died ‎| Must include: Died KALARATNA DR.K.V.SATYANARAYANA (talk) 11:26, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: K. V. Satyanarayana   Maproom (talk) 11:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@KALARATNA DR.K.V.SATYANARAYANA As far as I can tell from Wikipedia's article, information here is accurate and sourced. It does not contain birth or death dates. What you are seeing as a death date is something that Google's knowledge panel has (mis)interpreted. Wikipedia has no control over Google or other search engines and you should take up your concerns with them. There is a "feedback" link within Google that you could try. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Approval of a new article

Good afternoon!

My name is Elene, I am logged in es elenesali in Wikipedia.

I created an article about Legal Design, it is now in moderation as far as I understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Legal_Design

Could you please tell me how long does it take for an article to be uploaded fulfully?

When the word draft will no longer be next to the name of the article?

I will be waiting for your response

Kind regards,

Elene Kalandiia Elenesali (talk) 11:56, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Elenesali: it can take months for a draft to be reviewed. When a reviewer decides to take it on, they will either "move it to mainspace" and remove "Draft" from the title, or decline it, explaining how it does not meet Wikipedia's standards. (I observe that the opening section of the draft uses a lot of jargon, making it hard to understand.) Maproom (talk) 12:07, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Legal Design hasn't actually been submitted for review? Theroadislong (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Your draft hasn't been submitted for review. Unless it's submitted, it will never be reviewed. If you were to submit it now and I were to review it, I'd fail it. Entire sections are virtually or completely unreferenced. And it contains material such as Legal design is an interdisciplinary approach based on human-centricity applied in legal activity [...] I don't know what this means, and the thought occurs to me that perhaps it doesn't really mean anything. (What are the alternatives to being based on human-centricity? Etc.) If it does mean something, then this something needs to be expressed more clearly. -- Hoary (talk) 13:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response, I appreciate it a lot. I will try to fix it! Elenesali (talk) 13:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Elenesali I see that the draft was submitted for review, and the "human-centricity" thing is still there. I don't understand that either; it sounds a lot like marketing-speak. Also, you could fix the grammar issues while you wait for the review. David10244 (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Help Needed to Retrieve Deleted Page

Hi, I would like to know how to retrieve the deleted wiki page. I want to edit the page according to the guideline provided Adaline Lefe (talk) 13:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Instructions for retrieving deleted pages are at WP:REFUND. --Jayron32 14:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I guess this is about Draft:Adventrum, speedy deleted 29th November as blatant promotion by Bbb23. As a non-admin I cannot access the deleted revisions to see how bad it was or how much can be salvaged, however, see Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles for a list of people who might email the draft text to you (to my knowledge requests for G11 deletions rarely recive anything but a rubber-stamp decline at WP:REFUND) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Adaline Lefe - If you intend on working on the deleted draft, please be aware of policies such as Conflict of interest which require you to disclose if you're being paid by your employer to write an article. I see that you have disclosed this on your user page. Remember that statements in an article should be cited to reliable, secondary sources (with few exceptions). Focus on the quality of sources: WP:NCORP is a stricter guideline then for non-company topics. casualdejekyll 14:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Adaline Lefe I have taken a look at the deleted draft and, it's bad. Frankly, I don't think there is much in it that is salvageable as a Wikipedia article. However, I would be willing to restore it if you want to work on it; just know that there is virtually nothing there that is acceptible on Wikipedia. If you want it for some purpose other than hoping to create a Wikipedia article, then I can e-mail you the text. Let me know which you would prefer. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 14:56, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

How do I connect this routemap?

Hi all, don't think the Template:Routemap talk section is active enough to warrant posting there, so I'll post here instead:

EastRider X46/X47
Hull Paragon Interchange Beverley Road University of Hull  A1079  Cottingham Bentley Beverley Bus Station Bishop Burton Market Weighton Pocklington Bus depot Wilberfoss Kexby Osbaldwick York The Stonebow York railway station

How the hell do I connect this bus routemap?

This is my first time making a routemap, so bear with me if I'm doing this horribly wrong. Its taken me about an hour to figure out how to merge the lines back together after Bentley, and that involved flicking through numerous other bus and/or rail templates, but now I just need to... well, turn the splitting point upside down, and I'll be set. What part of Template:Routemap or Template:BS-map (which I'm trying my best to avoid seeing as how its being depreciated) will, no pun intended, put me on the right track? Hullian111 (talk) 16:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done, I hope, in the version alongside. Maproom (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

God, was it really that simple? Thanks, you're a lifesaver. Hullian111 (talk) 16:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Deletions of Organizational pages in javascript location?

I've found a user 19Knights75 who has created a copy of the page about that organization in the *strangest* place. User:19Knights75/vector.js. Is *that* considered part of the sandbox or not? I'd appreciate someone taking a look at the user and seeing whether the user would count as not a personal account or if other appropriate actions could be taken. Naraht (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I would simply ignore it. Isn't hurting anyone. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 18:21, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Naraht, @Sungodtemple A "page" inside a vector.js page? It might not be hurting anything, but you could also argue that user pages that look like article drafts are also not "hurting anything". We routinely delete those. This seems like a case of "misusing Wikipedia as a web host", or something. It's certainly weird.

Does anyone else want to comment? David10244 (talk) 05:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Fair point. I tagged under WP:U5. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. David10244 (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Event Outreach Dashboard

Hi, I would like to find out if there have been any conversations or discussions held about the community outreach dashboard concerning its high data collection and matrix on many campaign topics instead of focusing on the specifics. If there have been any discussions in a wiki thread or a forum concerning it's resolution kindly send me a link. Thanks Jwale2 (talk) 18:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

6666 ranch

Quarter Horse must be capitalized 96.89.198.225 (talk) 21:26, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right space to ask for edit requests. Additionally, the article you mentioned is not protected. Do it yourself. — B. L. I. R. 21:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

If you wish to make such requests for a change to be implemented make an edit request on the articles talk page and then if you choose you can also make a request here. StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 01:03, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Logo of a software application

Hi, I'm writing a page about a software application and I want to show its logo. If I uploaded it on commons.wikimedia.org, what are the right license to use? Mabdelaal86 (talk) 22:01, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mabdelaal86 In short, we don't upload logos on Commons since Commons don't accept non-free pics. You upload it to WP, see WP:FUW. Choose "Upload a non-free file", then "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." then "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc."

However, you can't put non-free pics in drafts, so you do this first when your draft has been moved to article-space. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Just going to clarify that logos can be uploaded to Commons as long as it can be shown that either (1) the logo is too simple to be considered eligible for copyright protection or (2) the logo has been released by it's copyright holders under one of the free-licenses that Commons accepts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)