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May 14

Adding an author to the site

My mother is Author Amelia Hutchins, she was raised and born in Spokane Washington. I am trying to get her added to authors from Spokane Washington's notable people.

She's a Wall Street Journal Bestseller, and has been on the USAT Bestselling chart numerous times.

Wall Street Journal link, under E-books for February 5th. https://www.wsj.com/articles/bestselling-books-week-ended-february-5-11644526690

USA Today Bestselling list is April 29th, 2021, August 5th, 2021, and February 10th, 2022

She was born in Sacred Heart, and has lived here her whole life. She's got over 30 books published, and took the charts by herself when they said it couldn't be done. I would like her to open wiki and see herself here, in the city she loves. Site we'd like to have her added to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Spokane,_Washington

Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.121.67 (talk) 05:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would depend on whether she is considered notable enough to satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines for authors; in the event that she is, an article about her would be made first before being added to List of people from Spokane, Washington. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would hope that her telling publisher's she'd just do it herself, and then doing it three times and landing on a larger list than the one they turned her down for would do it. She is one of only a few independent authors to take the WSJ without a publisher. She's pretty badass in my book considering they said it wouldn't sell, and she's sold over one million copies of just one of thirty books. Thanks for the help. 24.16.121.67 (talk) 06:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not care about where an author was born and raised, and Spokane authors are no more notable than Mumbai authors or Tokyo authors or Lagos authors or Indianapolis authors. What is so special about Spokane? Disclosure: My great-grandparents were wheat farmers near Spokane their entire adult lives, but who cares? What matters is not listings on publishing industry backscratching bestseller lists, which are notoriously subject to manipulation. What matters are reviews of the author's books, written by professional or academic reviewers, that appear in highly reliable publications. Cullen328 (talk) 06:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me that WP:NAUTHOR wants more than reviews of books; it wants the author to be regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers, or else has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. It sounds like just having "ordinary" books reviewed is not enough, unless those books are significant. Am I interpreting that correctly? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 10:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor, you have uderstood NAUTHOR, but an author could also be notable if they satisfy WP:NBASIC "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published^[1] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,^[2] and independent of the subject.^[3]". TSventon (talk) 12:18, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks fir that info, @TSventon. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad.
^ Sources that are pure derivatives of an original source can be used as references, but do not contribute toward establishing the notability of a subject. "Intellectual independence" requires not only that the content of sources be non-identical, but also that the entirety of content in a published work not be derived from (or based in) another work (partial derivations are acceptable). For example, a speech by a politician about a particular person contributes toward establishing the notability of that person, but multiple reproductions of the transcript of that speech by different news outlets do not. A biography written about a person contributes toward establishing their notability, but a summary of that biography lacking an original intellectual contribution does not.
^ Autobiography and self-promotion are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the subject notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. Thus, entries in biographical dictionaries that accept self-nominations (such as the Marquis Who's Who) do not contribute toward notability, nor do web pages about an organization's own staff or members.

Changing photo on page

How can I change the photo on a page - the page is Adrian Grogan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gail Grogan (talk • contribs) 09:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Grogan currently has an ok official portrait in the infobox. Since he is a living person, the new image would have to be freely licensed (ie not copyrighted in any way). You can upload files to Wikimedia Commons here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:35, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gail Grogan Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. WP is very careful about copyright, but if you are in close contact with him, this can be fairly easy.

Take a new (previously unpublished anywhere) picture of him yourself, and then upload it with the process that starts here. That is a link to Commons, a sister-site where we keep "free" images. Unless other editors think it's a worse picture, it can then be used in the article, but a newer image should be considerd a +. You can then comment here again, and hopefully someone will be willing to help or at least comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding photo to existing article

I discovered an article about my great aunt Eveline Burchill! Quite impressive too! I’d like to add a photo, how do I go about doing that? Thanks ☺️ — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEOleeBrother (talk • contribs) 14:16, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LEOleeBrother Please see files for upload. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright of photos is tricky (it usually belongs to the photographer), so the very best to use will be one you took yourself, LEOleeBrother or one taken by another family member whose estate you have now inherited, for example. One possibility, since Eveline Burchill is dead, you could take a screenshot from the RTE video I note is on their website and upload that under the "fair use" provisions (see WP:FAIRUSE). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Israel in the Eurovision

In the 'Commentators and spokespersons' section, the word 'Delayed' should be removed from the year 1997, but I don't know how to edit it without ruining the table. Can someone please assist me? KobiNew (talk) 15:38, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 04:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but now the period of 1985-2017 should have one "No commentator", not three... KobiNew (talk) 20:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HiJacked account.

I've just got an email saying: "Someone (probably you, from IP address 160.20.148.17) has requested to reset your Wikipedia password (<https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainpage>). The following user account is associated with this email address: User name: Aspro" Well it wasn't me and I can't now sign in. What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:BD01:7801:F126:A90F:D6E5:A628 (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See here. As it says, "Please contact ca

wikimedia.org if you cannot log in as a result of compromise". If the password for the username has been reset, someone must have known the email address associated with it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:01, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, User: Aspro has been indefinitely blocked for over four years. Cullen328 (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On the Dutch Wikipedia too? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:41, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They're unblocked on nl.wikipedia but have 0 edits there. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, if the account is compromised, someone will probably lock it, preventing anyone from logging in.^[1] I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Compromised accounts". Wikimedia Meta-wiki. Retrieved 15 May 2022. Reasons to request a global lock: Accounts that are suspected to have been compromised, as a temporary measure to maintain account security until the owner is contacted.

out of order

you guys have the friday the 13th movies out of order , a new beginng comes before the final chapter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.1.232.187 (talk) 21:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Film lists like Friday the 13th (franchise)#Films are always in release order unless otherwise stated, but I think you are also wrong if you refer to in-universe order. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Caleb Blood Smith

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Why do you have that Smith is buried in Connersville, Indiana, that is NOT true! Years ago I sent proof that Caleb B. Smith was not buried in Connersville, the history books say that because that's what Elizabeth (Watton) Smith wanted everyone to think. But that's not the truth. Elizabeth Smith wanted everyone to think that because after the Civil War the Southern dissenters were coming from south to north descrating bodies and Elizabeth was terrified that they would do that to her husband. Smith was first buried in Greenlawn cemetery in Indianapolis, then Crownhill Cemetery opened about 6 months later and she paid $500 for a plot of her choice to have Smith buried in, but he wasn't buried there either. (A 1977 opening of the mausoleum at Crown Hill proved that, only his wife and daughter were buried there.)

A 1977 excavation, that I attended and wrote about in the Connersville, Indiana City Cemetery was carried out in the Watton lot, or Watton-Smith lot, and Smith was found not to be there. The body that was found was Smiths brother-in-law William Watton Jr. There is a story that has pictures, letters, and consent to excavate along with other valuable information - here at https://archive.org/details/WeirdMystery/page/n51/mode/2up

Caleb Blood Smith owned a home in Connersville, now refered to as Elmhurst and it's on Wikipedia. It has been said that Smith was buried in the basement of Elmhurst, but that's never been proven. There is a lot of speculation on where Smith has been buried, for example under the mausoluem at Crown Hill, or in Cincinnati or even behind Elmhurst. There is a graveyard behind Elmhurst. I also can't imagine that Smith would be buried at Elmhurst because he left and went to Indianapolis and died there. So I can't imagine his wife asking if they could bury a body in the basement.

I've got a lot of info on Smith that I've found and it's all documented information, old news paper clippings, and stories from family members. Letters inquiring about the location of Smith, and recent news articles about Smith and where he's buried. No one knows, no one will probably ever know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensionson (talk • contribs) 22:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you have that Smith is buried in Connersville, Indiana, that is NOT true! Years ago I sent proof that Caleb B. Smith was not buried in Connersville, the history books say that because that's what Elizabeth (Watton) Smith wanted everyone to think. But that's not the truth. Elizabeth Smith wanted everyone to think that because after the Civil War the Southern dissenters were coming from south to north descrating bodies and Elizabeth was terrified that they would do that to her husband. Smith was first buried in Greenlawn cemetery in Indianapolis, then Crownhill Cemetery opened about 6 months later and she paid $500 for a plot of her choice to have Smith buried in, but he wasn't buried there either. (A 1977 opening of the mausoleum at Crown Hill proved that, only his wife and daughter were buried there.)

A 1977 excavation, that I attended and wrote about in the Connersville, Indiana City Cemetery was carried out in the Watton lot, or Watton-Smith lot, and Smith was found not to be there. The body that was found was Smiths brother-in-law William Watton Jr. There is a story that has pictures, letters, and consent to excavate along with other valuable information - here at https://archive.org/details/WeirdMystery/page/n51/mode/2up

Caleb Blood Smith owned a home in Connersville, now refered to as Elmhurst and it's on Wikipedia. It has been said that Smith was buried in the basement of Elmhurst, but that's never been proven. There is a lot of speculation on where Smith has been buried, for example under the mausoluem at Crown Hill, or in Cincinnati or even behind Elmhurst. There is a graveyard behind Elmhurst. I also can't imagine that Smith would be buried at Elmhurst because he left and went to Indianapolis and died there. So I can't imagine his wife asking if they could bury a body in the basement.

I've got a lot of info on Smith that I've found and it's all documented information, old news paper clippings, and stories from family members. Letters inquiring about the location of Smith, and recent news articles about Smith and where he's buried. No one knows, no one will probably ever know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensionson (talk • contribs) 22:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sensionson: If you have reliable published sources, online or not, then you can edit the Caleb Blood Smith article yourself. If you do not wish to edit the article, please discuss this on the article's talk page at talk:Caleb Blood Smith instead of here at the help desk.----

@Sensionson:, I looked at your source and I don't think we can use it, but there's enough there that I don't feel comfortable anymore stating with virtually 100% certainty that he is buried in Collinsville, so I think the best solution is to remove mention of his burial location altogether, and this I have done. There's more on the article talk page if you wish to engage further, see you there. Herostratus (talk) 00:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care anymore, you can stick it where the sun don't shine, others have accepted it and know it's true, and my story about it has been in several newspapers because of the proof that I have. . and it's CONNERSVILLE, not Collinsville dumbass. Have a nice day. Sensionson (talk) 01:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sensionson, someone out of the hundreds of people who have edited the article in its past 18 years of existence must have thought Connorsville was correct, or they wouldn't have added the (false?) information (it would be possible, but tedious, to find out who) but without a reliable source to cite, the article shouldn't say it, or for that matter say where else his body might be. It is of course possible that it was, at some point, interred in Connersville and later moved to somewhere else unknown.

We could include at least some of the information you are putting forward if it has (a) been published in a reliable source (WP:RS) that has editorially checked its accuracy, and not just reprinted self-reported original research (which Wikipedia never uses), and (b) that source is correctly cited. Wikipedia does not permit in-text external links, see Wikipedia:Citing sources). It is up to the person adding the information to cite correctly, not to leave the job half-done and expect someone else to clear up the mess. You were reverted for incorrectly using external links as long ago as 2013 (by a bot, not a person), but seemingly have not learned any better in the 9 years since.

This is a collaborative project in which (nearly) everybody is trying to co-operate to build an encyclopedia. Boldly editing (as you correctly did), Reverting the edit if thought inappropriate (as Herostratus correctly did), and then civilly Discussing the matter is all part of the standard WP:BRD process: acting aggressively and insulting other editors is not. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 23:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page Translations

I used the translate feature to translate an article from Italian wiki into English. I over-wrote nearly every word of the machine translation into neutral wikipedia style, as required. I then saved it to work on it later rather than Publish it, but now I can't seem to find it. Where does one find drafts of a translated article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amantedelcinema83 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amantedelcinema83: This question is your only edit to Wikipedia, so your work was not "saved". What action did you take that you think would have "saved" it? The way you "save" something (including your question here) is to hit the miss-named "publish" button. -Arch dude (talk) 23:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amantedelcinema83: It sounds like Arch dude doesn't know Wikipedia:Content translation tool which works differently from other editing. Unpublished translations in progress should be visible at Special:ContentTranslation but machine translation is disabled in the tool at the English Wikipedia so I'm not sure what you were doing. Also, new users cannot publish translations here. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found it, thank you. What are my options? Should I simply create a new page in English Wikipedia? Amantedelcinema83 (talk) 06:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amantedelcinema83: As a new user you can only create it as a draft and submit it for review. The source article must be credited. See Help:Translation and Wikipedia:Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help. Amantedelcinema83 (talk) 18:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Even if the current draft is mostly in your own words, you should follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATE, in particular to credit the Italian source you used. You can copy/paste your current version into a new draft you set up using the WP:AFC process. Later, you can submit the cleaned-up draft for review, so experienced editors can confirm it meets our standards for new articles on English Wikipedia. Thanks for wanting to help expand the encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the help. Amantedelcinema83 (talk) 18:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[note2-1] What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad.

[2] Sources that are pure derivatives of an original source can be used as references, but do not contribute toward establishing the notability of a subject. "Intellectual independence" requires not only that the content of sources be non-identical, but also that the entirety of content in a published work not be derived from (or based in) another work (partial derivations are acceptable). For example, a speech by a politician about a particular person contributes toward establishing the notability of that person, but multiple reproductions of the transcript of that speech by different news outlets do not. A biography written about a person contributes toward establishing their notability, but a summary of that biography lacking an original intellectual contribution does not.

[3] Autobiography and self-promotion are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the subject notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. Thus, entries in biographical dictionaries that accept self-nominations (such as the Marquis Who's Who) do not contribute toward notability, nor do web pages about an organization's own staff or members.

[4] "Compromised accounts". Wikimedia Meta-wiki. Retrieved 15 May 2022. Reasons to request a global lock: Accounts that are suspected to have been compromised, as a temporary measure to maintain account security until the owner is contacted.

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