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May 13

How to attribute joint authorship between an agency and a person?

In the article Church of Scientology, I fixed reference 214, as follows:

{{cite news |agency=AAP |last=Wright |first=Anne |date=2009-11-18 |title=Senator Nick Xenophon brands Scientology a 'criminal organisation' |url=https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/senator-nick-xeneophon-brands-scientology-a-crimina-organisationl/news-story/c1d9e5562712ad046aad66e3088be1fa |work=Herald Sun |location=Australia |access-date=2022-05-13}}

The source article attributes authorship to "AAP and Anne Wright". Is there a better way to attribute joint authorship between an agency and a person? -- Ghastlyman (talk) 06:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Never mind, I replaced |agency=AAP |last=Wright |first=Anne with |vauthors=((AAP)), Wright A. I think that's correct. -- Ghastlyman (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Review of article

I have added a article named "Mothparja", a small village. I have expanded it , have given infobox, sections and also have given references. But except that it is a stub-class article. So please help me to improve it and increase its level. If there is any mistake please correct it.FAAHS (talk) 08:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, FAAHS. I've added Talk:Mothparja to WP:WikiProject Pakistan. You might like to ask for somebody at that WikiProject to review and grade it. ColinFine (talk) 09:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Order of categories

Let's say that a "John Doe" article belongs in categories "2022 births", "People from Foo", "Everymen", "Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence winners", "War of the Ring veterans", etc. In which order do categories go in the bottom of the article? Order of significance? Alphabetic order? First come, first served? Anything goes? Cambalachero (talk) 12:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I looked at Help:Category and I don't think there's any specific order.

Asparagusus (interaction) 13:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

MOS:CATORDER says they can be any order, though some people like to re-order them to make them alphabetical, which isn't required. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Generally speaking, whatever order you think of them in. So the first relevant category to come to the mind of the person adding categories comes first, and it goes from there. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

What is the right template to use for fair use company logos?

Hi all

I recently wrote an article for Dora Goodman Cameras and would like to add their logo in the infobox (see here in top left for the logo). I assume this is a fair use image but can't work out which template to use. Does anyone know?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@John Cummings Have you tried uploading via Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard > Upload a non-free file > This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use. > This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc.? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång thanks, that seemed to work, can you just double check I've done it correctly File:Dora_Goodman_Cameras_logo.png? Never uploaded a non free work before. Thanks again, John Cummings (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@John Cummings Looks fine to me. I'm no expert, but I've uploaded a few and they haven't been deleted. There is a rule about the size of non-free stuff, but these days that is handled automatically by a bot, so that will be done if needed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks John Cummings (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Photo deleted

I posted a picture of Musa Kaleem on his Wikipedia page and it's been deleted twice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeelakIbrik (talk • contribs) 15:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Did you actually take the photography yourself? You uploaded it to Commons claiming it was your 'own work'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The photo is of my father. My mother gave it to me. It's our family photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeelakIbrik (talk • contribs) 15:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok, so you did not actually take it yourself. Do you know who did take the photo? Because it is the photographer who would need to release it under an appropriate license. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The file is currently here but was nominated for deletion because it is the same as this image on Discogs. So it isn't suitable for Commons as it must be freely licensed. You would need clear evidence of ownership if it turns up elsewhere on the web.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:03, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@MeelakIbrik Allow me to take the liberty of expounding on IanMacM's comment. That picture appears on a Web page, and the Web page says "copyright 2022 Discogs" in the footer. So, Discogs is claiming copyright on the contents of the page. This raises questions: Did you post the picture at Discogs? Are they supposed to have that picture? Did you (perhaps inadvertently) allow Discogs to claim copyright on the picture? (I know some of the questions, but I don't know the answers.) IanMacM and ONUnicorn have given good advice -- possession of a photo does not necessarily mean ownership of its copyright. Unfortunately, copyright law is complicated. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 10:29, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from 174.64.17.141

I have noticed some vandalism at PAGENAME. Namely, BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE VANDALISM HERE. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur

"(A persistent myth has pervaded the biographical literature, to the effect that MacArthur wore a "specially designed sharkskin uniform" at the 1936 ceremony to go with his new rank of Philippine Field Marshal. Richard Meixsel has debunked this story; in fact the special uniform was "the creation of a poorly informed journalist in 1937 who mistook a recently introduced U.S. Army white dress uniform for a distinctive field marshal's attire.")[120]"

Myths and legends have no place in factual articles. This alleged "myth" is new to me. I have NEVER, in 62 years, heard this in a documentary or in a book. Please remove and investigate the admistrator responsible for its inclusion. 174.64.17.141 (talk) 17:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

It is appropriately sourced to an article in the Journal of Military History. It is not vandalism. Moreover, you ask that we "remove and investigate the adminstrator responsible..." It was added by Lloydfraser on January 25, 2022. Lloydfraser is not an administrator, just a regular editor. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

By the way - I did check the source and verified it says what the article says it says. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

How long has this "Vandalism help request" thing existed? This is the first time I've seen it here on Wikipedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Sounds a bit like the job a local authority near me once advertised: "Teenage Pregnancy Co-ordinator". I could think of a way of co-ordinating teenage pregnancies... (I didn't apply) -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 17:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

It's coming from Help:Simple_guide_to_vandalism_cleanup#Alternative:_Call_attention_to_it. There is a button in the collapsed section for pages that are not high traffic, which generates a help desk post like the one above.

I find it slightly amusing that people are able to figure out how to find that help page, but not figure out how to use the resulting template, or how to use any of the easier/less obscure ways to draw attention to vandalism. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Incidentally, Help:Simple guide to vandalism cleanup was created June 5, 2020. The button in question made an appearance that same day, in the 5th edit. So it's been there since June 5, 2020. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Victoria Asher's wiki page

Hi,

I'm a professional writer. I have agreed to help Vicky Asher with the technical requirements of her Wiki page. Will you guys work with me to restore her page, please? I have credentials if that helps.

Thanks! Christina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Authormccastille (talk • contribs) 18:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! As far as I am aware, there is no page called Victoria Asher. Do you mean that you are creating a page for her? Are you being paid to edit? Even if you are not, you would still have a conflict of interest, which goes against the guidelines. A good Wikipedia article is supported by reliable sources and shows neutral point of view towards the subject. Would you be able to provide that? Wikipedia is not a place to advertise or promote people or organizations.

Asparagusus (interaction) 18:27, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

This might be related: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Victoria_Asher RudolfRed (talk) 18:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

This is the result of an off-wiki campaign by the subject herself, I wouldn't pay much attention to it. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@Authormccastille The first step for you in your quest to ensure Wikipedia contains an article about Victoria Asher is to read and really understand our policies and guidelines about verifiability, notability (including the subject-specific notability guideline for musicians), reliable sources, independence of sources, and how we treat primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. The second step, since you were at least asked by Ms. Asher (if not paid by her) to help recreate her article, is to read and really understand our policies on conflict of interest editing, paid editing, and the terms of use of this website. Once you have done that, you will know that the third step is to make the required paid editing disclosure. The fourth step is to do the research and gather the necessary sources about Ms. Asher. Then you can create a draft, making sure to cite your sources, perhaps using the advice given at referencing for beginners. If you want to use the text and sources cited in the former article, it is still publicly available in the page history, but make sure to provide attribution for copyright purposes as described at copying within Wikipedia. Once you have a draft that you are sure addresses the concerns expressed in the deletion discussion, I would recommend opening a deletion review, under use 3, so that you can establish consenus that your new verison adequately addresses the notability concerns raised in the first deletion discussion. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I would add that they should familiarize themselves with WP:SIGCOV. Passing mentions in articles do not establish notability. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:SIGCOV is part of WP:GNG - the link just links to a section on the broader page. If they read and really understand GNG, they will automatically familiarize themselves with SIGCOV. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@Authormccastille: While all of the above is valid, I think the order is incorrect. Before you do anything else, you should convince yourself that the subject, Victoria Asher, is notable by our definition. If the subject is not notable, then there is nothing you can do to create an article that will survive the deletion process, so you will be wasting your time and our time. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Could you delete this thred so I don't get any more responses please? Authormccastille (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

We can close the thread, but not delete it. 331dot (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

In addition to the above, even then, it's very rare for threads to be closed on request. They usually run out of steam once it seems the question has been answered. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)