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May 27

English Translation of Lyrics Formatting

Hello! I've been having trouble with formatting my article Saetaryeong to include an English version of the lyrics next to the Korean version with Hanja. Any tips or suggestions? I used <poem> to format it. Arirang has a nice example of what I'm looking for, but I tried experimenting with the code they used, but it ultimately failed. Its slightly problematic that I have an audio file within the lyrics section, but I'd like to keep it that way. I'm also having trouble putting citations into the <poem> but that's a different problem.

Thanks a bunch! Haiiya (talk) 04:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Haiiya, "The song uses onomatopoeia" and yes, even to the non-speaker of Korean (e.g. me) at one point (르르르르르) this is particularly obvious. But it's pretty much lost to non-speakers unless you also provide a transcription. Actually it's not clear to me why you have the original in hangul/hanja, in that anyone who can read and benefit from this could get it from a Korean-language page (perhaps the Korean-language Wikipedia article on this). ¶ So I'd think hard about what's best for this article before worrying about how to achieve it. When you do know what you want for the poem, try it out in your sandbox and perhaps invite people there; when you (singular/plural) have got something good, copy it into the article. ¶ Meanwhile, outside this poem but within the article you have a lot of Korean and Sino-Korean words that convention says should be italicized. Some of them could beneficially be linked as well. -- Hoary (talk) 06:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary Well, I'd argue that having a Korean language version within the article is important (check Arirang), but I don't know how to insert the english translation version without ruining the format of the article Haiiya (talk) 12:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Haiiya:, perhaps this will help you with table formatting: Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup. CodeTalker (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@CodeTalker Thank you!! It's exactly what I was looking for! Haiiya (talk) 20:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

How to add a photo with email permission of the author & copyright owner

The photo in question is an author photo. I wrote her asking if she had one we could use on her wikibio page and she sent me one. Now I just need to figure out how to upload & license it. I dimly recall WP/Commons maintains an archive of permission emails, but I'll be darned if I can find it. Help? --Pete Tillman (talk) 05:41, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Before you go further, Pete Tillman, has the author of the photograph either (i) explicitly copylefted it in accordance with one or other of the (highly permissive) licenses acceptable to Wikimedia Commons, or (ii) explicitly waived all rights to it and thereby donated it to the public domain? If not, it's unusable. If (i) or (ii) applies, then go to Wikimedia Commons, follow the prompts, and answer honestly. (Unlike the very many people who seem to think "I can't be bothered to read all this legalistic mumbo-jumbo, so I'll just pretend that it's my 'own work'" -- and who thereby both violate copyright and waste other people's time.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

It depends on who took the photo. People often don't realise that with wedding photos and portraits, the photographer who took the photo retains the copyright. You can contact the Volunteer Response Team (formerly OTRS) to discuss donating this file to Wikipedia or Commons. However, the file should not be non-free, as it is unlikely to be suitable.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I believe that this is a photograph of a living person. If the file is non-free, it cannot be suitable. -- Hoary (talk) 07:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

In theory, you could ask the photographer to release the copyright so that it could be donated to Wikimedia Commons. But the usual advice is to take the photo yourself, or get someone else to take a photo of you. Then it can be CC licensed and uploaded to Commons without any problems.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

One additional thing to remember. If you freely license it, anyone could use it pretty much anywhere. Make sure you understand what type of CC license you are agreeing to and how others can use it without needing your approval. - X201 (talk) 08:14, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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• Thanks for suggestions & comments. This is a writer, and here is her page: Premee Mohamed. She just won a major literary award (book now on Mt. TBR), I looked at her page for info, noticed no photo & dropped her a line. She sent a (fairly) recent selfie of herself. So, how does she license it with one of our acceptable free licenses, so I can post it to Commons & add it to her page? The last time I tried to do this, we had some sort of email archive & verification program. It was pretty klutzy -- to the point that the author, who had offered her photo for a different book, gave up and went away. So, what now? As I say, she is willing to donate a properly-licensed photo of herself. How do I do that? --Pete Tillman (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

PS: the earlier instance I mentioned was for Anne Hillerman, a personal acquaintance (I knew her Dad slightly also). She now has an author photo, provided by a 3rd party from (IB) a book talk. --Pete Tillman (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pete. If she holds the copyright in the photo (which she will not unless it's a selfie, or she has an agreement with the photographer that specifically assigns her the copyright) then she may license it suitably. The easiest way is for her to create an account and upload it to Wikipedia Commons herself. More fiddly, but possible, is for her to send an email according to Donating copyright materials. If she does not hold the copyright, then her permission is irrelevant, and the copyright owner would need to do one of those things. ColinFine (talk) 21:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tillman Right, if she has not done either of the two things that Hoary said, then she has to submit the image to WP (assuming she does hold the copyright); you cannot submit it for her. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Help with User:Mr Reading Turtle/DEFCON

Hello, I'm making a wDefcon page at User:Mr Reading Turtle/DEFCON based on the page User:DrMeepster/Icon/wdefcon. However, it always just puts a "vandalism level not found" icon. Can someone help? Thanks, 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 11:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Mr Reading Turtle You need to provide the template with a value for the "level" parameter when you use it. To have it update automatically use something like {{User:Mr Reading Turtle/DEFCON|level={{User:EnterpriseyBot/defcon|level}}}} 192.76.8.78 (talk) 11:54, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you, but can you edit it? Im not exactly sure how to do that. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 12:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Never mind! thanks so much! 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 12:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@192.76.8.78 I have made the Wdefcon template and it's at User:Mr Reading Turtle/Wdefcon. If you want to use it just put {{User:Mr Reading Turtle/Wdefcon}} or {{Vandalism information|prefix=User:Mr Reading Turtle/}} anywhere on your userpage. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊|🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦|☎️|📄 12:09, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Android App is created in which language and platform of development .

I have to develop a app like this . How we can develop this app and from where i can use the sdk for the Android Development ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.178.208.202 (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Have you tried Google? Bazza (talk) 12:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

The code is at https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-wikipedia 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Vis-a-vis

Is “vis-a-vis” an acceptable term to use in a section heading? As for example: “Renting vis-a-vis buying”? --Chetvorno^TALK 18:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't “Renting vs. buying” be better? --Pete Tillman (talk) 18:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

"Renting vis-à-vis buying doesn't make sense [https://www.lexico.com/definition/vis-a-vis]. If you means "renting compared to buying", then say that. Bazza (talk) 18:48, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

That was just an example I made up. The actual use was questioning was Television antenna#Analogue vis-a-vis digital. My question was: do the style guidelines approve the use of Latin phrases like this? Particularly in section headings? I would think some readers wouldn’t understand them. 19:44, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

"Vis-à-vis" is not Latin, it's French. And "Analogue vis-a-vis digital" doesn't make sense, any more than "Renting vis-a-vis buying". Using French phrases, that people won't understand because they've been misused, is so clearly not a good idea that I don't know why you'd need guidelines. Maproom (talk) 20:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia's policy against meatpuppetry also apply to inactive debates?

WP:MEAT states that one should not recruit people from outside Wikipedia to add undue weight to a debate that is going on. However, what if the discussion has been closed for weeks, and almost nobody has actually made edits in support of their viewpoints? Does their support still count even without any action? Yleventa2 (talk) 18:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Yleventa2, you seem to be proposing to ignore the rule against meatpuppetry, so as to get the meatpuppets to add their views to a closed debate. That would seem a really perverse thing to do. You'd be breaking two rules, with no hope of achieving anything. Maybe I've misunderstood you? Maproom (talk) 20:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes it does, and even if it didn't closed debates are not up for further debate anyways; editing them would be considered vandalism. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

I think I see what you mean, you would have to start a new debate when the time is right and it's possible Yleventa2 (talk) 14:55, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

I presume that "Yes, it does" is answering the question in the section heading, and not one of the other two questions the OP asked? The OP made it harder since the questions go in "different directions". 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:17, 29 May 2022 (UTC)