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November 23

Infobox map crashing up entering a page

User @Fredddie made this great infobox map for the article "List of Interstate Highways in North Carolina" but (at least for us) it keeps crashing upon entering the page. When you click on the map, it works fine but is there any way to make the map preview appear in the infobox? Thanks and have a good day! DiscoA340 (talk) 00:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

It breaks for me too. I am using Chrome 107.0.5304.110, Vector 2022. If that has anything to do with it. Sungodtemple (talk) 03:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

The map is blank for me on opening the page, click 'Full screen' icon and it works, no crashing at all. Using ancient Firefox v. 47.0.2 on Win XP. (yes indeed, lol :) - actually, I would say this tends to point to a fundamental error if even FF 47 can do this much. MinorProphet (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Listening to a pronunciation

When I click on "listen" (for example for the place name "Bourgogne"), it just asks me if I want to download. How do I actually hear the pronunciation of a word ? Thanks. 108.44.67.21 (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

This is a function of your browser. Your browser must be configured to handle the ".ogg" file suffix properly. On my system, (Firefox on Ununtu) the sound plays when I click the "listen" link in the Bourgogne article. If you are struggling with configuring your browser, you can download the .ogg file and open it in a audio program such as Audacity (audio editor). -Arch dude (talk) 01:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

What browser and version are you using, and on what device/OS version? Windows/Media Player (WMP) on Win 7 needed certain DirectShow filters to be able to play .ogg and other open source media files. 32/64 bit Win installer here, NB NOT TESTED or guaranteed. Again on Windows, if you have another media player already installed, eg VLC media player or Media Player Classic, it's possible you may need to associate .ogg files with it instead, and make sure to configure it to playback in the browser, not natively. HTH, MinorProphet (talk) 15:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Harold Good

The link to the “Sanctuary Moment” article I wrote about Harold Good had a link that was not usable. Here is the text of the article. I am sorry, I don’t know how to edit Wikipedia.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Good

http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/%E2%80%98we-have-responsibility-be-part-solution%E2%80%99 192.198.57.121 (talk) 03:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

How do you put sources. (Can you simplify how to do it?)

Please help PugAngel 11 (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@PugAngel 11: A citation is surrounded by ref tags, such as <ref>Citation goes here</ref>. You can put what you want in there. At the most basic level, you can put a bare web link. On the more sophisticated level, you can put in a citation template, such as {{Cite web}} with various parameters filled in (see Template:Cite web, Template:Cite news, Template:Cite book, and other related templates). Look in any article that interests you and you can see how it's done.

Note, my advice assumes you're using the source editor. If you're using the WYSIWYG editor, I don't know what to tell you, I never use it. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

It's easier in the Visual Editor - use the "Cite" tool which does a lot of the harder formatting stuff for you. Bazza (talk) 10:36, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Advice is available at Help:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

See WP:TUTORIAL. And WP:RS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:06, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

PHONE NUMBER

Dear sir/madam

This is suresh my number add in google map Vundavalli caves (The Undavalli Caves, a monolithic example of Indian rock-cut architecture and one of the finest testimonials to ancient viswakarma sthapathis, are located in Mangalagiri Tadepalle Municipal Corporation of Guntur district in the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Wikipedia

Address: FHWJ+VV4, Penumaka - Vijayawada Road Near Prakasam, Barrage, Undavalli, Andhra Pradesh 522501 Hours: Open ⋅ Closes 5:30PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=undavalli+caves&oq=&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Suresh388 (talk) 10:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Suresh388 You need to contact Google about this, it has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 10:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

camp wood military base

named after Joseph E Wood why was it reverted Cellarratt (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Because it was totally inappropriate in tone and completely unsourced. Theroadislong (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Source

https://gimlets4ever.Wordpress.com Cellarratt (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cellarratt, that is not a reliable source. Does the military base have a website which talks about the person it was named after? That would be a primary source, and so not as "good" as the secondary sources we prefer, but in this case it would probably suffice. Please don't copy/paste the text into Wikipedia, however, as that might be a copyright violation. Summarize and cite. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Camp Wood was active in the 1950s and I cannot find any mention of it after 1956. So, there is no website. Cullen328 (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah well. The site above references a "1949 Gimlet Book", which I assume was a publication by the 21st Infantry and thus possibly usable - the problem would be getting a copy. There's also one (and only one) source already cited in the article, which may or may not mention the origin of the name. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I have numerous obituary clippings from the news paper that state that Cellarratt (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cellarratt, an obituary published in a reputable newspaper would be an excellent source. You can't copy the obituary into Wikipedia - again, it would likely be a copyright violation - but you can add a simple sentence like "The base is named after Navy Cross recipient Joseph E. Wood, who died in action on Okinawa." to the Camp Wood article and then cite the newspaper article (assuming it has all that information). See Help:Referencing for beginners or the referencing section of Help:Introduction for instructions on how to cite things. {{cite newspaper}} would be the best template to use here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Just going to add that an obituary published in a reputable newspaper is a good source if it's not WP:UGC; in other words, the obituary should be written one of the paper's reporters and not something submitted by someone connected to Woods for publication. Obituary sections of papers tend to be a case of the latter since they're basically nothing more than a listing, whereas obituaries written as articles by staff reporters tend to be considered a little more reliable. The source publication is an important determining factor when assessing reliability, but even major newspapers have editorial sections or publish opinion pieces written by third-parties as explained in WP:RSEDITORIAL; so, it's likely a claim to such a type of source would be considered WP:UNDUE and otherwise not very reliable except under certain conditions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Also - in case I wasn't clear above - the obit would need to confirm that the base was named (well, renamed - apparently it was a Japanese base originally, presumably with a Japanese name) after Joseph Wood; confirming his personal biographical details is a secondary consideration. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cellarratt You don't put a source here in the help desk, in response to a question; you add it as a reference, to the article. But a blog is not a reliable source, as mentioned. David10244 (talk) 18:06, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

donate(en)search

Wikimedia has taken over my search bar. I use Bing. I’ll attach pictures showing what comes up. When I type in something to search for it goes to a new bar with Donate (en) search. (The first picture) When I hit enter then it opens a new window (the second picture). The web site is HTTPS://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.PHP?Search=wi&title=Special:Search&hs0=1 Kristine Driver suggested I contact you for help resolving this very annoying problem. She’s at Wikimedia Foundation . ORG I don't see how to attach pictures to this message. Cheers, Bert Iler 98.97.117.49 (talk) 20:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bert - attaching pictures won't be possible unless you create an account and upload the pictures to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons; you could always put them on another image hosting site where you do have an account, then link to them here. The technical experts hang out at WP:VPT, but it's not clear right now whether this is a problem with Wikipedia or with your browser. Which browser are you using? Are you using the browser's built-in search bar? The link you posted only goes to a 404 error page for me. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

If you are using Google Chrome, you may have accidentally changed your search engine to the Wikipedia search engine in settings. In this case, you should go to your browser settings and switch back to Bing. Sungodtemple (talk) 21:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Recreating a drawing?

Hi, if I recreate a reaction diagram based on one found in an academic paper, does that constitute a copyright violation? Thank you. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 21:39, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Data - as in the actual information expressed - itself isn't copyrightable. What is copyrighted is the expression itself. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@X750: apparently the term "reaction diagram" is used for different things in different contexts. If you create a new diagram from the data in the paper or even from the data in the old diagram, then you have not violated copyright. If you strive hard to create a faithful reproduction of the existing diagram, then you are probably violating copyright if there are other ways to express the same data. In between these extremes is a large gray area, similar to the situation with paraphrasing of text. Close paraphrasing is a copyvio, loose paraphrasing is not, but how close is "close"? -Arch dude (talk) 01:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jéské Couriano and Arch dude, thank you for your inputs. Just to address the latter's concerns, I was referring to a chemistry reaction scheme in this context. Apologies for not clarifying that. Quite frankly, I don't think I can reproduce it without violating copyright. If you look at the file to the right, in the paper it is almost exactly reproduced like this, but with different compounds and a different catalyst but still in the same places, and I do not particularly feel like violating anyone's copyright at this point in time. Appreciate the clarification though. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 02:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@X750, there may be a standard format for reaction diagrams, used by most chemists, which is not copyrighted. That may be the case for the diagram you wish to use. Try asking this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry. Quisqualis (talk) 03:24, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@X750 and Quisqualis: See Scènes à faire. If everybody does it a certain way by convention, then that way is not a creative element under copyright law. -Arch dude (talk) 04:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@X750: you can reproduce that diagram almost exactly. It's representation does not rise to the level of being creative, so it is not subject to copyright. -Arch dude (talk) 03:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Arch dude, I was unaware of that. I'll courtesy ping you when I upload it commons, if you'd like. Good idea too, Quisqualis. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 04:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevant to the copyright issue – I'm wondering why the formula for the catalyst uses two different forms of bracket, () and {}, rather than just nested (()). Maproom (talk) 08:19, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

No clue Maproom. Sorry. Just used it as an example. It's readable to me but may be slightly confusing/inane to others why they did not use nested brackets. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@X750 I create lots of chemical diagrams and as explained at MOS:CSDG our preferred format is .svg, not .png as the former scale without pixelation. Simple chemical structures and reactions are not copyrightable and there is a template {{PD-chem}} that can be used on Commons. Nevertheless, I usually take the Commons default of cc-by-sa-4.0 for all but the simplest diagram. Just as a mathematician cannot copyright E=mc², chemists cannot copyright standard structure drawings. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull to the rescue again! I will add that template when I upload it. Also, MOS:CSDG also says I shouldn't use English names in the text. One of the reagents is toulene, how exactly do I represent that? Because C₇H₈ obviously can mean more than one compound. Thank you. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 19:44, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@X750 If it really is a reagent and not just a solvent, you could draw it out like any other chemical. If it is only a solvent, I'd be tempted to leave it out of the diagram altogether. MOS:CHEM/Chemicals points out that Wikipedia is not a manual and preparations should be described only in general terms. You have the third option of using a simplified drawing and then using text in a paragraph below along the lines of "A was reacted with B in toluene to give C". Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)