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November 22

False Information

There is a category listed of “Sundown Towns in Tennessee” which contains Celina, TN. This is a lie. Clay County, TN is one of the few places in rural Tennessee that has an historic black community and was/is a safe haven for black people to come live and be free. The community is the Free Hills- located 2 miles from Celina. Celina has never been a sundown town. I’m not sure how this false listing came to be on Wikipedia and I am also not sure how to edit.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2016/07/09/tennessee-community-founded-freed-slaves-fights-extinction/86801136/

There is a Celina, Ohio that is a sundown town, and there is a Clay County, Florida that is very racist, neither of which have anything to do with Celina, TN. I would appreciate someone helping fix this issue. We have enough problems in rural Tennessee, and enough sundown towns, without making up new ones that never existed. 63.135.182.61 (talk) 00:52, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Category:Sundown_towns_in_Tennessee and  Courtesy link: Celina, Tennessee
Note that the latter article refers to an 1878 incident described by a newspaper as an "exodus of negroes ... They have received a notice to leave the state within a certain time from some persons whose names they refuse to give for fear of harm". I guess this incident is the reason the town was classified as a sundown town. CodeTalker (talk) 01:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

... in 1878. I'm not sure how many "reliable sources" can be found to characterize this town in 2022, but do we assume that the 1878 info is still valid? David10244 (talk) 08:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

The category isn't "Sundown towns in TN in 2022". Wikipedia takes a wide view. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

So the category should be "towns that were sundown towns, or had a sundown incident, sometime in the past 150 years". David10244 (talk) 14:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I removed the category and left a note on the talk page. The 1878 story is a second-hand account, and reading it and the ip's article above together, it sounds like the free black neighborhood was attacked in an effort to drive the inhabitants away. I found no sourcing identifying Celina as a sundown town. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 18:35, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

User that keeps putting in misleading edit summaries

There's this IP 69.121.183.150 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) that keeps making big constructive edits under "Minor detail edits". They haven't responded to any of the relevant notices on their talk page. What should I do? Additionally, there is another IP 2600:1700:BD70:9E70:9142:4977:898D:CF2A (talk · contribs · WHOIS) that reverted most of previous IP's edits just bc of bad edit summaries. Is there an appropriate warning for that? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:32, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I think we might need an admin for this : WP:RAA Vincent-vst (talk) 06:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

How Can I Suggest locking a Controversial Page?

Hi Wiki Folks, I noticed this morning that the page for a controversial Buddhist teacher who many call a cult leader Michael Roach has been systematically altered over the last few months to omit the most pertinent details about his group. I suspect that Roach, or his followers are directly involved. I reverted the page to a previous version (basically to the point where the prior edits were done by editors with user names and not IP addresses), but would like to suggest locking the page from...is the word "vandalism"? Switfoot (talk) 03:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

You're looking for Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Switfoot (talk) 15:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

But no, the word is probably not vandalism. That is defined as editing intended to damage Wikipedia. Editing an article to push a particular POV, while it may be tendentious, is not vandalism. ColinFine (talk) 10:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Tendentious is a great word. Switfoot (talk) 15:20, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

It is actually a term in use in Wikipedia circles. See WP:Tendentious editing. ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Missing discussion on a requested move

Resolved

Hello, sorry for the silly question: I'm not very well versed in technical matters. On 13 August I opened a requested move that should now be here: Talk:Russian_people's_militias_in_Ukraine#Requested_move_13_August_2022. Where did it go? Here you can spot it through a diff. I can't find it neither on the talk page nor in the archived page of the talk - the article is Russian people's militias in Ukraine and the discussion was closed by Paine Ellsworth at the end of September. Thank you. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Gitz6666, its at Talk:Russian people's militias in Ukraine/Archive 4. Hopefully a more knowledgeable editor will know how to fix the archiving. TSventon (talk) 13:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you. The problem then is with the talk page, where one finds only a link to "Archives: 1" on top of the page; we should add archives 2, 3 and 4 (at least). Sorry, I don't know how to do this myself but I'd be happy to learn. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion was archived at Talk:Russian people's militias in Ukraine/Archive 4#Requested move 13 August 2022. Someone has got the archives confused, as there's an Archive 1 and an Archive 4 but nothing in between, & the talk page points only at Archive 1. That ought probably to be sorted out. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

To editors Gitz6666, TSventon and David Biddulph: this is fixed and the move request now resides in [archive 1]. The page at archive 4 will be temporarily deleted to await the filling of the first three archives. (Archives 2 and 3 do not exist yet.) Somehow, the archive bot's counter was raised to #4 while the first archive wasn't even half-filled, and then the bot for some unknown reason began to load the archive 4 page. Everything should be back to normal now. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 14:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Make new edits to watchlist show up in notices

Is there any way to be notified of any edits to pages in my watchlist through the notifications? Aaron Liu (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@aaron liu: no. → lettherebedarklight → 晚安 → おやすみ → 15:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

:( Aaron Liu (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Xavier Adsera Biography/English

Hello,

I am the Executive Assistant for Mr Xavier Adsera from Adequita Capital. Mr Adsera already has a Wikipedia page however it is in Spanish hence why I created a new account and new page and thought I could copy and paste his information for our English language speakers, unfortunately my entry has been declined. Please could you advise on how I should go about uploading an English version of Mr Adsera's Biography without getting a copyright strike? the information copied is from our actually website.

Thank you,

Carmen Joshua AdequitaLDN (talk) 15:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@AdequitaLDN, please declare your paid status per WP:PAID. If you want to release the information on your website under a compatible license so you can use it in an article, see WP:Donating copyrighted material (or change the copyright statement on your website to be compatible). However, the text on your site is probably completely inappropriate for use in an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You must summarize those sources and base the article on them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Medal table

Hi I want to make a medal table for National team appearances in the FIFA Futsal World Cup, National team appearances in the FIFA U-20 World Cup, National team appearances in the FIFA Confederations Cup, National team appearances in the FIFA Beach Soccer World Cup and National team appearances in the FIFA U-17 World Cup. But there needs to be a new flag template or something. This is only available in National team appearances in the FIFA World Cup and National team appearances in the FIFA Women's World Cup. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 15:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

If you look at Category:Flag template system, there are a number of variants of {{Fb}}, some of which may do what you want. If not, I suggest you ask at WT:WikiProject Football for help in adding new templates. (I imagine it's quite easy, because you'll just want to copy one of the existing ones, and change one string in the code). ColinFine (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes this is what I was looking for. If there's still one that doesn't exist I'll ask again. Thanks! Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I tried using the Template:Fbu but it doesn't work. The [page itself] says "Fbu template missing parameter", probably because there's under 17 and under 21. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes both the under 17 and under 21 templates don't work, same as with the women's under 17 and under 21. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 15:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft

How to change a draft name. I made a mistake in a word and want to change it. Thanks in advance Omelyanova1999 (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

You change the title of an article or other page by moving it, but your account hasn't yet made enough edits (10) to have access to that facility. You could ask at Requested moves, or you could wait until you have made ten edits, and the Move command should appear (in the default skin, it's under "More" at the top of the page). A third option is that you don't worry about the name of the draft. It shouldn't affect whether or not it is accepted when you submit it for review, and the accepting reviewer will move it to the correct name when releasing it into the main article space. ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Or the fourth option: I've moved it to Draft:Co-creativity for you. ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I add my IP adress to the profile?

How do I add my IP adress to the profile? RosieSprocker100 (talk) 17:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Please help me I have no idea how to do it. Thanks!!! RosieSprocker100 (talk) 17:57, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Why do you want to do that? And what do you mean by 'the profile'? Girth Summit _(blether) 18:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Donation

Donate to Wikipedia? 2601:741:8002:C320:5867:96BB:B39F:E5A (talk) 18:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Lacking further information, here is a link: WP:DONATE. Further, perhaps it's that time of year - time to break out the following template:

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

wikipedia discord bot

Is the wikipedia auth bot an official bot ?
I'm talking about this : https://top.gg/bot/625962497165230080
It looks official, but I just want to make sure. Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vincent-vst, the bot that auths you on Discord? Depends on what you mean by "official" - it's a Discord bot created by Wikipedians, not, as far as I know, a bot here on Wikipedia. You don't have to auth if you'd prefer not to, though your abilities will be somewhat limited. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

If you want more information about OAuth (which is how the bot verifies folks): MediaWiki OAuth page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@192.208.172.35 thanks Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 05:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Deleting Sourced Material

There was an anti-semitic incident at Cranbrook School, Sydney. It made the news and I added it to the page. Wik-ed100 has removed my sourced edits a number of times - without any explanation. I added something to the talk page - nothing. I don't want to get into an editing war, but how do I deal with an editor who is basically initiating one. He doesn't discuss why he's removing the sourced material. Sure he doesn't have to like the content on the page, but there are processes involved. There's no justification for just deleting it - over and over and over again. If anyone could offer advice, would really appreciate it. Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 21:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Wik-ed100 has responded on the talk page. So has another editor. Maproom (talk) 21:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi MaskedSinger You should follow WP:DR and seek a WP:CONSENSUS for inclusion per WP:ONUS. Since the content has been re-added and removed multiple times, it's contentious; so, trying to re-add it again without a clear consensus to do so is likely going to be seen as edit warring. At this point, you should try and address the concerns raised on the article's talk page and work out what out exactly what text you think should be added on the talk page; not by trial and error directly in the article. Finally, you should be very careful in labeling edits as vandalism as you did here because Wikipedia defines vandalism in a specific way. Perhaps this unintentionally happened because you're using WP:Twinkle, but you need to remember that you're responsible for the edits you make using; so, if Twinkle is only given the option to label something you revert as vandalism even when the edit might not be, you might not want to use Twinkle to revert that particular edit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

AFAIK, Twinkle [vandalism] button is simply the same as the [rollback] button but without a confirmation and auto-marked as minor. Sungodtemple (talk) 03:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

You can configure both which of the Twinkle revert buttons cause minor edits as well as wether Twinkle will ask you for confirmation in the Twinkle Preferences, under reverting and rollback. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! MaskedSinger (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)