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Marianne (magazine, 1932–1940)

Hi,

I’d like to link Marianne (magazine, 1932–1940) to the fr:Marianne (journal, 1932-1940). Could someone help me? Thanks. 2A02:A420:10:2F9:FD51:BCF8:CBE0:A22E (talk) 08:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 2A02:A420:10:2F9:FD51:BCF8:CBE0:A22E. Go to the left side bar of Marianne (magazine, 1932–1940) and look for "Add links" in the "Languages" section. Click on that and follow the guidance in the pop-up window. That should link the two articles together. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Done, and Romanian tagged along. This is done under "Languages" to the left on the article (as seen on a laptop or in desktop view), but I don't know if unregistered editors can do it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

CREATING AN EDIT FOR A PAGE.

Hello, my name is Kigen Brian, Wikipedia account name is HottestHost254. I have been trying to create an edit for the University Page Contact which is wrongly cited as Phone: 0702 140074 whereas the true university contact should be Phone: 0709 153000

Kindly help.

Regards. HottestHost254 (talk) 09:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Generally speaking, Wikipedia articles do not give contact phone numbers. What is the page involved here?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:11, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Mount Kenya University HottestHost254 (talk) 09:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The article currently has no phone number I can see, but links to the university's own website. That's how it should be. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Mount Kenya University --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you HottestHost254 (talk) 11:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you HottestHost254 (talk) 11:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Your addition of a phone number to Mount Kenya University was disallowed by filters. That is as it should be. Wikipedia is not a directory. -- Alexf^(talk) 11:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks HottestHost254 (talk) 11:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hi! Is my sandbox (the one where I conduct tests on), visible or editable to other people? I want it to be completely private, since I do not want other people to see content that I personally test with. Is there a way to make it private? Wikipedian10282 (talk) 12:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikipedian10282 No there isn't, everything you can edit on WP can be seen by anyone who knows where to look. So there is absolutely stuff you shouldn't do as as tests/practise even in your sandbox, like copypasting copyrighted text into WP, WP:BLP-violations etc. For complete privacy, don't use WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:44, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

That sums it up, thank you! Wikipedian10282 (talk) 12:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

hypertext

I was just wondering, why does wikipedia have so many HyperText and links? Wikipedian10282 (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by "Hypertext"? (Is it this? Or is it this?) Bazza (talk) 13:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I meant wikilinks - Wikilinks Wikipedian10282 (talk) 13:27, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

They are used for the reason we've been (mostly) using them — to provide easy access to further information when the reader may not completely understand what has been written. Bazza (talk) 13:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

It helps that it's very easy to make wikilinks, e.g. changing example to [[example]] where HTML would be <a href="/wiki/Example">example</a>. But we do have limits at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#What generally should not be linked. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Wikipedian10282 (talk) 15:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikipedian10282: you can think of it as a core technical policy of Wikipedia, embedded in the "wiki" part of name, and they are a defining feature. When Wikipedia started in 2002, it was not as obvious as is in now that hypertext links were such a powerful tool. -Arch dude (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Wikipedian10282 (talk) 19:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Статья "Укротитель тигров" :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamer_of_Tigers#Supporting_roles_and_substitutions

На этой странице (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamer_of_Tigers#Supporting_roles_and_substitutions)

размещена статья "Укротитель тигров" о фильме "Укротительница тигров" (???).
В описании сюжета фильма три повтора (одни и те же строки повторяются три раза). Данную статью нужно либо поправить, либо удалить.

Статья "Укротительница тигров" тоже есть в Википедии, там ошибок нет. 2A01:540:2:97EA:74CE:86DE:85BC:A46F (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Google translate says:

Tiger Tamer article [link]

On this page [link]

published an article "Tiger Tamer" about the film "Tiger Tamer" (???).

There are three repetitions in the description of the plot of the film (the same lines are repeated three times). This article should either be corrected or removed.

The article "Tiger Tamer" is also on Wikipedia, there are no errors 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:03, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The translation might be a bit inaccurate since "Укротитель тигров" is different from "Укротительница тигров" in that "ница" was added. I don't speak or understand russian tho so I couldn't tell you what it actually means. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't see the duplication that the OP is talking about, in either Tamer of Tigers or ru:Укротительница тигров. Blaze Wolf, the longer word means a female tamer, the shorter a male tamer. The film is about a female tamer, so that is the word in the title of the ru article. I don't know know why the OP is talking about an article about a male tamer, unless perhaps they have used machine translation on the title of the English article. ColinFine (talk) 21:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh it's one of those gendered words that English just doesn't have. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

An English equivalent might be tamer and tameress. I think the English language is moving away from such gendered distinctions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I would favour "tamester" myself. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.64.163.219 (talk) 10:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Creating a template

I have been working on updating lists of state ballot measures for a while now and am dead-set on fleshing out all 50 states. I am wondering what the process is to create a template - I have a basic template set up in my sandbox that I would like to eventually put on each article once I get more than 50% of them done. To do that would I just copy/paste the source into a page titled Template:Ballot measures footer or is there a different process to follow? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 16:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@ThadeusOfNazereth: That's it. You might have used {{United States topic}} to reduce coding a lot but there is no need to convert it now. The name parameter must match the page name to make correct V T E links. You currently have name = Ballot measures in the United States which is a better name anyway so it would be Template:Ballot measures in the United States, but I suggest the shorter Template:US ballot measures. The parameter is not shown to readers. I see you have implemented a state parameter. You can document it and add some categories with:

<noinclude>
{{Documentation|content=
{{Collapsible option}}
}}
[[Category:United States government navigational boxes|Ballot measures]]
[[Category:United States election templates|Ballot measures]]
</noinclude>

<noinclude> starts right after }} on the same line. We prefer to avoid redirects in navigation templates because we want a bold selflink when the template is transcluded on the article itself. You currently have redirects for Alaska, Michigan, District of Columbia. I use User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects to make it easy to spot. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:16, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for these detailed instructions! I'll make sure to make those changes before actually creating the page :) ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 19:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Desktop reading visualization

Wikipedia desktop version in English has a bad visualization, as the text compasses the whole screen, unlike other websites whre the text is more centralized in order to provide a better and a more pleasant reading. I entered wikipedia in Portuguese (usually I only use it in English) and it has this visualisation which is better for reading. Why not in English? 177.133.140.98 (talk) 17:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The Portuguese Wikipedia has chosen to use the Vector 2022 skin by default. English Wikipedia has not made that decision yet. Seems that opinions on whether Vector 2022 is better or not remain divided. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If you create an account then you can choose Vector 2022 and many other things at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, or Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering to apply to all Wikipedia languages and Wikimedia wikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Or you could just reduce the size of the browser's window (assuming you're on an OS that uses them). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.64.163.219 (talk) 10:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Can't create "Final Legacy"

I am trying to create an article on the 1985 video game "Final Legacy". When I try, it tells me the page cannot be created. This is odd; my last attempt to create a new page went to Draft, which was quickly approved, but this time I do not see that option. Is there anything special in this case, and how do I create the article? 108.168.93.43 (talk) 20:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You can create such a draft at Draft:Final Legacy. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Sure, but why did this happen? Previous article perhaps? 108.168.93.43 (talk) 13:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I see no obvious problems at Final Legacy or Final legacy, if there were some sort of "blocks" it should be seen at those redlinks. Did you try some other title-version? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:57, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Aren't IP addresses disallowed from creating articles in mainspace? I believe the right is only reserved for any registered user that's autoconfirmed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

That could be it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:19, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

IP addresses can't create directly into mainspace. It has been like that for a few years now. Depending on when you made it, you may have been able to do it previously, however, you did say that you created a draft before, so there's no change. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I tried to create another new article today, MK5056, and the same behaviour occurred. Once again there was no offer to create it in draftspace. I checked the logs and there is no previous article under this name or any other reason I can see. @Lee Vilenski: I'm not sure I understand your last comment... perhaps this: I created a draft for a different article, Atari Word Processor. I did so by typing in that term to search, which took me to the "no article" page, which included a link to create it in draftspace using the wizard. In this case, and MK5056 this morning, when I did precisely the same thing, no offer to create it in draft appeared. I was simply not able to create it, period. I am trying to understand why this is happening, why I do not see the draftspace link in these cases but do in others. 108.168.93.43 (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I saw the link you are referring to on both items, you aren't editing on mobile per chance? This message doesn't appear on that type of browser for whatever reason.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Nope, not mobile, desktop. Playing about a bit, I used the same search bar for "articles for creation" and was taken to a page that did include the link to the draft wizard. So then I searched for "Final Legacy" just now and also got the link. The issue appears to be modal, but I can't see the pattern. 108.168.93.43 (talk) 14:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Ahhh, if you SEARCH for the topic you get the wizard, if you CLICK on the topic (like in a redlink) you do not. That is rather bad UI. Where's the suggestions box? 108.168.93.43 (talk) 14:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

We have several, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) could be worth trying, though this may be a MediaWiki thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia help

Can my firm hire someone to submit corrections on our page? If yes, are there reputable firms that provide this service? There seems to be many that say they can do the job but who know who they are. 2603:7000:9803:D19A:B568:7926:7F:1207 (talk) 20:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! You really shouldn't be attempting to do so as that would be considered paid editing. Most of the time if someone offers to edit an article for money it's a scam. If there are things you think should be corrected then submit an edit request on the relevant article's talk page and an editor will eventually come by and either implement the request, or decline it with a reasoning as to why. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You may, but I would advise against it. Some of the firms offering a service may be legitimate, professional, and competent: many of them are scammers, preying on people who have the mistaken impression that Wikipedia is a place to promote yourself. None of them are in any way authorized or supported by Wikipedia, but as long as they follow Wikipedia's policies, they are permitted to work and to offer their services for hire. Whether you hire somebody, or your employees do it, they must declare their status as "paid editors".

What I would recommend is

1. one or more of your employees create accoumts (all accounts must be individual, and their names must not suggest that they represent an organization. But "Jackie at XYZ.com" would be acceptable. Or they could just use their real names, or pseudonyms).
2. They read WP:PAID carefullu, and make the mandatory disclosures.
3. They use the Edit request mechanism to request changes to the article. They should be as precise in their requests as possible (eg "Add the following text after XXX" or "Replace the sentence XXXX by YYYY", and give references - independent if possible - for any information they wish to insert.
4. Recognize that the article does not belong to you, and Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this valuable advice 2603:7000:9803:D19A:B568:7926:7F:1207 (talk) 15:19, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Finding unlinked mentions

I just stumbled on a mention of the director Scott Hicks that had not been wikilinked (it was the only mention in the article) and wondered if there are more elsewhere. Is there a way to find them ? Doug butler (talk) 21:47, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Doug butler: "Scott Hicks" -linksto:"Scott Hicks (director)" gives 46 results. That's low enough to manually examine whether it's the right Scott Hicks. Otherwise you can try to refine the search with additional terms like director or film. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks PH. I was ignorant of that syntax — it worked perfectly. Doug butler (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Non-notable compositions

Two articles: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of compositions by Matthew de Lacey Davidson and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew de Lacey Davidson were recently closed as a result of delete. The linked compositions Quartetto dell'Arte, Symphony No. 1 in 20 keys ("Letter to the World"), and The Singing Lesson were created by the same editor. Since the composer and composition list are no longer deemed notable for inclusion; should each of these articles be put up for AfD? Each have been created by the same editor and any references are a clear COI due to primary sources. I cannot find notable performances or reviews. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 21:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If you think the notability of the article needs to be considered, put it up at AfD. Make sure to individually review each article - one composition may be more notable than another. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Archived talk section breaks {{Update}} box

At the top of Atmospheric methane, there has been a "This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information" box since February 2020. The link to the talk page leads nowhere, because the relevant discussion has been archived. Surely if the banner is still relevant then the discussion isn't ready to be moved to the archive. How are cases like this supposed to be handled? Renerpho (talk) 22:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Renerpho. Archiving of talk pages is usually done automatically on the basis of the age of the entry. It is easy enough to find the title of the section ("Preindustrial CH4 indicates greater anthropogenic fossil CH4 emissions") from the link, and then search the archives of the talk page. But in fact Talk:Atmospheric methane has only one archive, so it is easier to go straight to it, and find Talk:Atmospheric methane/Archive 1#Preindustrial CH4 indicates greater anthropogenic fossil CH4 emissions, where you will see that there was just one reply, on the same day as the original post, pointing out that the issue is mentioned in another article (Methane). ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

omitting repetitive links to specific page numbers of an internet archive book?

Is there any way (via some template magic or...?) to omit long repetitive base URL fragments from links to specific page numbers of an internet archive book?

At the article golden ratio I added a bunch of specific page links to the internet archive scan of a book by Livio. The markup for these citation footnotes was previously {{sfn|Livio|2002|pp=7–8}} and now looks like {{sfn|Livio|2002|pp=[https://archive.org/details/goldenratiostory00livi/page/7 7–8]}}. Having the specific links to cited pages seems like a valuable service to readers (makes it much easier to follow citations to the source), but having to clutter up every link with the repetitive https://archive.org.../page/ part does a disservice to editors or source readers, and is annoying to write.

Has anyone ever thought of designing a template such that we could put a base part of a URL like this one time on the page, and then refer to it with some shortcut? Perhaps a fork of the sfn template could slurp that base URL from some (hidden) parameter of the referenced citation template, and then combine it with a parameter of the footnote template including the extra portion of the URL to append? –jacobolus (t) 22:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing "link" designation from name entry

When I entered my name as a descendant of Rev. Ralph Wheelock, it saved as a "link." I want to know how to remove the link while retaining the name. Jonilight3 (talk) 23:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Jonilight3, from your edits I think you are using the visual editor. Technically, to remove a link, click on it and press the button that has a link with a line through it.

From a policy point of view, your name should not be added to the list, nor should the list even exist, because it is irrelevant information. Listing distant descendants of a person is an unproductive task. For example, take Genghis Khan. He has millions of living and nonliving descendants, many of whom have Wikipedia articles. This sort of content falls under WP:NOTDATABASE. Sungodtemple (talk) 23:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)