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October 13

Why is there a signature for some of these postings. ( ie the rock)

Why is there a signature ? On some of these postings ( ie Dwayne Johnson) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CF:4780:4290:C0B5:86BE:EE04:4111 (talk) 04:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

are you looking for wikipedia:signatures or Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons? lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

If you mean why some infoboxes have an image of the handwritten signature of the subject then there has been some disagreement about it. You can search the archives of Template talk:Infobox person for "signature" to e.g. find Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 35#Signature parameter RFC. It closed with no consensus. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Changing the entity name of Burj Khalifa

Hi team,

Need your help in editing the name of Burj Khalifa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa

Full name is Burj Khalifa by Emaar. How can we make this change? Umarkhandxb (talk) 05:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Umarkhandxb Please see wp:Commonname for info. David10244 (talk) 05:57, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Its own website calls it "Burj Khalifa" (not that that's relevant to Wikipedia's article naming policy). Maproom (talk) 07:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Alexander Technique wiki

I have added suggested edits in the talk section of the wiki, the article is a mess but editors don't want to change it. 68.129.197.221 (talk) 06:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

We mostly can't help you with stuff like that here; the venue for that starts and pretty much ends at the article talk page. If you can't get editors there to agree with your suggestions, you kind of have to accept that. That doesn't mean you have to give up. But suggesting a complete rewrite of any article is heavy lifting. If you could suggest (say) adding, deleting, or changing individual sentences, provide a reason, provide references, be able to defend those references as reliable, ask other editors what they think and listen to them just as you expect them to listen to you... that is a better way to move the article forward.

You're new, and the fact that your material looks kind of like a pamphlet/handbook/advertisement for the Technique is going to put people off. It may be that the article is unbalanced and too harsh on the Technique. But even if it is, you have to convince the editors on that article's talk page, with concrete specific suggestions. And if you can't, really all you can do is roll your eyes, mutter under your breath about what a cockup Wikipedia is, and go watch the playoffs. Herostratus (talk) 07:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 68.129.197.221. If your question has to do with Talk:Alexander Technique#Suggestions for desperately needed edits, then perhaps you might have a better chance of getting a response it you broke up your edit request into much smaller more easier to digest bits instead of one large wall text covering many different things. Trying focus of the one or two changes that you feel are really needed and then make an WP:EDITREQUEST for them. Trying to get lots of changes made at once (i.e. essentially have the article entirely rewritten) almost never gets a positive response because very few people are going to be willing to read through such a request and try and figure out what exactly is being asked. Instead of saying edits desparately need to be made, it's better to focus on how making them is in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Since articles about medical related topics tend to require very good sources per WP:MEDRS and WP:FRINGE, changes are often made slowly and only after being sufficiently discussed. To be honest, it would be near impossible to have a constructive discussion or establish a WP:CONSENSUS on every suggestion you're making all. Try trimming down and re-wording your request so that it's clear as to what you're asking (e.g change X to Y, add this to the section on ABC, add this citation for this sentence), it's clear why the change needs to be made in terms of relevant Wikipedia policies of guidelines, and its clear what reliable sources you're citing in support of a change. Smaller less complicated requests tend to be easier to answer and tend to be reponded to more quickly. When it comes to edit requests, less is often actually better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

how do i view what pages i can edit?

i saw it once, then never again. where can i find it again?

michael User:Ifartedinagrandmain1992 08:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ifartedinagrandmain1992 Wikipedia allows the editing of the great bulk of articles. A very few are protected to seek to prevent vandalism. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I guess you refer to a feature with suggested pages in a "Homepage" tab at User:Ifartedinagrandmain1992 if "Display newcomer homepage" is enabled at the bottom of Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:42, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Best practices for extensive citations

Hi there

I'm editing the sensitive article on Stepan Bandera subject to discretionary sanctions.

The citation style is highly inconsistent and I am struggling to come up with a consistent way of salvaging it.

Currently my aim is to use references without page references but to use {{rp}} template when citing specific pages and the clumsy hash-tag template {{#tag:ref|...<ref name=":11" />|group=nb}} when citing quotations (see discussion).

I note however that currently this pushes the <ref> references all the way down the article in order to accommodate the quotations.

What are best practices for this? Also, I not that the French article on Bandera, while being much better balanced content wise, seems to have more advanced citing functionality, with citations nested in a scrollable window and proper refs listed. Jabbi (talk) 11:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

The references are going to the bottom (where they don't belong) because you made this edit where you changed {{Reflist}} to {{reflist|group=nb}}. After you did that, MediaWiki does not know where to put the references list so it tags it on to the end of the rendered article. Typically, a 'Notes' section with {{reflist|group=nb}} precedes a 'References' section with {{Reflist}}.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Trappist the monk:, that's helpful although I was mainly hoping to get responses about best practises in general. Is the above one of suggestion one of many ways to combine page citations and direct quotation? Is there a standard guide for this? Why are the French cooler? --Jabbi (talk) 14:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I guess 'cool' is in the eye of the beholder.

I believe, and this is me talking, not en.wiki, that quotations do not belong in citations but, rather, citations belong in quotations. If the quotation is important to the article, put it in the article body or a separate Notes section and cite it.

It appears that only you care about the citations in that article given the dearth of comments at Talk:Stepan Bandera § Citations are a mess. That suggests that you are pretty much free to make what fixes you think appropriate. WP:CITEVAR is the rule. Of course, someone can come along later and object to your chosen style ...

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help @Trappist the monk: --Jabbi (talk) 21:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jabbi:, it is a matter of what you think works best. I think having basically two levels of detail -- the main article, then a body of notes -- can work OK. Nobody does it, tho, but so. See for instance the article Statue of John Harvard, which IMO works fine. I'd like to see more of that, myself.

To my mind, the "quote" field in references is for bringing forward a key sentence or so from that source, so that the reader doesn't have to go pawing thru the ref or whatever. It adds an illuminating detail on that source. While notes provide illuminating details etc on the material where the note is placed, and have their own refs. (I use {{Cnote}} and {{Cref}} but there are a few other ways.) Because this approach is uncommon, you may run into editors of the mind "I haven't seen this before, therefore you can't do it", possible. Herostratus (talk) 01:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Trying to update my page

I am trying to update my page, Barbara Mujica (writer). It contains outdated information and does not include my latest books and prizes. I have edited several times, but it always reverts to the old page. I have NOT written articles on bilingual education for thirty years, and my husband's position is not relevant to my career. I have written many new fiction and non-fiction books that I have not been able to add, and I have won several significant prizes, such as the GEMELA prize in 2022 for best book on early modern Hispanic women. Please allow me to update my page! BMujica (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, BMujica. If there are problems in a Wikipedia article about you (which is not in any way "your page" - see ownership of articles) you should not attempt to edit it directly, but you may make edit requests. See WP:AUTOPROB. ColinFine (talk) 14:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

An account (User:Mxmp2) was recently blocked for attempting to correct "misinformation" in that article and issuing various legal threats and personal attacks when reverted. @BMujica, the talk page for the article is here: Talk:Barbara Mujica (writer). If you start a discussion there, perhaps updates can be made. Please be aware that we will ask for sources to back up any information you want added. If you want unsourced information removed, that is much more easily done. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

• Hello, BMujica. In addition to the above advice, we would be able to improve the article if you could do any or all of the following:

1. Have a friend take a picture of you and upload it under a free license via https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard . Note that for legal reasons we cannot accept pictures taken during photoshoots for press releases etc. - even if you agree with the release of the photograph under a free license, the photographer actually has the copyright.
2. Give us a published source about the GEMELA 2022 prize. I can see that such a prize likely exists (see that link from gemela.org) but the gemela.org site does not seem to have been updated since March, so I cannot verify that you won that prize, in which category etc.
3. Same thing for any other (significant) prizes you might have won: we need a source.

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

i want to redirect all searches for my grandfather and father name to a specific place.

I want to redirect all searches for my grandfather and father name to a specific place and put their life and political history here in Wikipedia. They were politicians, both of them were Mayor and my dad was a Councilor then got voted as Mayor. How can I do that? And will Wikipedia help in writing the articles? Jason Legaspi (talk) 15:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a corporate body, it is a community of volunteers. Before you make any edits related to your father and grandfather, make sure to read WP:COI. Can you state what specifically you would like to be done? We don't know who your father is. Sungodtemple (talk) 15:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

It's important to bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a web host. In order to have an article, a person should meet WP:NPERSON. Generally speaking, Wikipedia does not have articles about most mayors or councillors because they are not notable enough. Other Wikipedians can help you when writing an article, but they cannot do all of the work for you. See your first article for more details.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

my grandfather was mayor was mayor for more than 20 years and thats notable enough for me as a part of history for the political history of the municipalty of penaranda nueva ecija and the philippines. Jason Legaspi (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

i would like to them to have their life and political accomplishment because they were mayors and councilor for 20 years and have done a lot for the municipality of penaranda, nueva ecija philippines. i would like to have the info available for the people for research about the life of my father and grand father and the political history of the municipality. Jason Legaspi (talk) 16:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Telling us what you would 'like' isn't going to make anything happen here. Any articles will only be accepted if it can be shown that the individuals concerned meet our notability guidelines, as demonstrated through significant coverage in reliable sources. And you are unlikely to find a volunteer to write such articles for you. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

To provide a somewhat less grumpy (and perhaps more useful) explanation: You feel--sincerely--that your father and grandfather are historically worthy of note. You might very well be right. You're hoping that writing them up in Wikipedia will provide them with the notability that they deserve. But that's not the way Wikipedia is. Wikipedia does not host articles to MAKE someone notable--no matter how much that person might deserve it. Wikipedia notes people who have already achieved notability. Wikipedia is not meant to be the first place where someone is written about; it really should be among the last. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@ Jason Legaspi I'd also like, in a friendly way, to point this out. Your municipality Peñaranda has an article in Wikipedia. (So does its province Nueva Ecija, and the article makes it look like a place I'd love to visit.) However, even the current mayor, while he is named in the article, does not have his own article. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jason Legaspi You still haven't given the names of your father and grandfather. If anyone was going to offer their opinions on the subjects' notability, they would need to know that. David10244 (talk) 11:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Typo in wikipedia page "Russian Revolution", as well as issues with account.

The page "Russian Revolution" has a typo: "A semi-capitalist country would suffice amd Russia had a working class base of 5% of the population."

On top of this typo, I have discovered that the edits I have made using the same account on my mobile phone are not showing up as edits made on this account. Is there any particular reason why, or is this just a bug? SakuraEditor (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done, fixed the typo Cmr08 (talk) 16:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@SakuraEditor: Saved edits on any device show up on the same account if you are logged in when you save. Most pages can be edited without being logged in. This post is the only edit by your account at the English Wikipedia. Special:CentralAuth/SakuraEditor shows some edits at other wikis with the same owner and account system. There are also thousands of independent wikis which don't share accounts with us, e.g. Fandom. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Heather Campbell and Heather Anne Campbell

Hi there. I'm a big fan of Wikipedia and have contributed financially over the years. I'm on disability and have a lot of free time on my hands, so I read Wikipedia a LOT.

I just wanted to signal to you that you have a profile for Heather Campbell and Heather Anne Campbell, who are two different persons. However the text in their profiles is the same. Not sure which one it applies to.

Bye for now! 107.171.227.121 (talk) 18:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. Heather Campbell is a redirect that will take you to the article Heather Anne Campbell RudolfRed (talk) 19:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

RudolfRed, there seem to be two people, Heather Campbell (Wikidata Q110660275) and Heather Anne Campbell (Wikidata Q5693722) with different IMDb pages, so having a redirect from Heather Campbell to the article Heather Anne Campbell is probably unhelpful. TSventon (talk) 19:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Note that the WMF does not need your money. Sungodtemple (talk) 20:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

There are lots of people called Heather Campbell. If we only have an article about one of them and no significant mentions of the others then it's normal to redirect Heather Campbell to the article we have Heather Anne Campbell. Heather Campbell (athlete) is linked in nine articles at Special:WhatLinksHere/Heather Campbell (athlete) but only named in lists of results. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Uploading a file

I would like to upload a file (for use at Lakeyah). It's screenshotted from the YouTube channel "HOTSPOTATL", tagged with the Creative Commons Attribution license. How do I upload this? —VersaceSpace 🌃 22:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@VersaceSpace: first, let's address the technical side, then the copyright side. Technical: there are techinques that can extract a single video frame from a video. This will result in better quality than a screenshot. Do a bit of Google research for this. This will result in a .jpg file on your computer. Now, upload the file using Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. I think you will claim it as you own work here, because you have created a "derived work" based on another copyrighted work. Describe it as such, and carefully describe exactly how you extracted the frame, and provide the URL of the video from which you extracted it, noting its CC-BY-SA copyright. You must license your derived work uncer CC-BY-SA to comply with the license of the video. -Arch dude (talk) 22:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Panchabeni

Please edit this page bengali to english — Preceding unsigned comment added by P121314 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

P121314, I am unable to find any Panchabeni article; do you mean Panchavati? If you would like to see the article Panchabeni from the Bengali Wikipedia translated into English, you might be the person who should do it. Wikipedia editors are volunteers who work on articles which are of interest to them. To learn the proper way to translate a non-English article into English, please read WP:TRANSLATION.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)