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January 3

Moving the page of Georgios Dritsakos

With the permission of the Wikipedia, I ask you to move the page of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Georgios_Dritsakos to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Dritsakos 100.2.114.167 (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Welcome! Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and new editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read WP:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out WP:TUTORIAL; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! Add {{subst:Submit}} at the top and it will be reviewed. At Help Desk we answer questions about editing Wikipedia, but will not review a Draft submission. While foreign language sources are permitted, I would encourage you to add more sources, to ensure WP:NOTABILITY and WP:SIGCOV. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

to submit a draft for review, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. lettherebedarklight晚安 02:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

How to change stroke colors in Maplink?

Hello,

I'm trying to use {{Mapframe}} in the following way from Lake Street Transfer station:

But would like to change the stroke colors from their Commons map defaults to the colors noted in the comments. Is this possible, and if so how? Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:49, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Help Desk @John M Wolfson. Changing the comment to the correct color (light purple?) would be the easiest solution, otherwise asking at Module talk:Mapframe or WP:Village Pump (Technical) might yield more success. Happy tinkering! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:48, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah: The comments shouldn't matter since the parser doesn't read them. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:25, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@John M Wolfson I think that @Shushugah is suggesting that changing the comments to match the colors in the map would be easier than changing the colors in the map. David10244 (talk) 09:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah and David10244:If you're talking about the caption, then that's very unhelpful, since I want to change the colors in the map itself for accessibility/design, and not the caption, which is trivial. If you're talking about something else, please do let me know. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 13:51, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Please help

This use page - User talk:Keith D - has a request for help which I posted. No one on this wikipedia help page will help me, because I find it hard to express myself clearly. I have accidently placed the same request for help in the Christmas Wishes section o0f this person's user page. I cannot get my message to go UNDERNEATH the Christmas Message box. do I just leave it? Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 05:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

cut and paste your message to the very bottom. also, you're asking someone on a wikibreak for help. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you - you are very kind. I will try that. Perhaps you could please look at ref number 5 on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.38.42.62 (talk)

Richard Monckton Milnes, 1st Baron Houghton

It is all wrong - there should be a name of the publisher (ref number 5) which I couldn't obtain. Please help. Thank you175.38.42.62 (talk) 05:40, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

um, i see an auctions site for ref number 5. by the way, i recommend you read help:referencing for beginners. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:49, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I think that maybe the ref (number 5) is OK after all? I had thought that a publisher was necessary? I will relax now knowing that I have done my best. Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 05:52, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

that's not what i meant, i meant that the reference seems irrelevant. lettherebedarklight晚安 07:33, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with lettherebedarklight. You can't find a publisher because the letter has not been published, and therefore cannot be cited in any Wikipedia article. (I don't think excerpts from a letter appearing in an auction catalogue consistute "publishing" - and if I'm wrong, it is certainly not a reliable source: however worthy and reputable Christie's may be as auctioneers, they do not have a reputation for "editorial control and fact checking" of texts.)

However, as ltbdl says, this is irrelevant: it's not clear what statement in the article this citation purports to support. ColinFine (talk) 12:12, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

The truth about adding the reference of the Closing Ceremony Athens 2004

I was going to make an articles about the Closing Ceremony of Athens 2004 Olympics that they make a speeches because I was doing the right thing to add the references. The dignitaries. I just want to make an apology. I have never did anything wrong. Tell the user Materialscientist to owe me an apology for scolding me. I didn't want to burden you. I was scared. I'm sorry. Please believe me. 100.2.114.167 (talk) 06:05, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Ping to @Materialscientist, if they wish to comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: According to User talk:Materialscientist they have pings disabled for their account; you may want to drop them a note there. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 09:52, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I suppose this is about this edit and the subsequent warning on your talk page.

I think the warning was unwarranted. What it says is correct: you should definitely not put unsourced information in articles. You have done that in the past (example here: adding a middle name), but I think you have learned to not do it again (for instance, you did reinstate the same edit later with a proper source). Your edits to the 2004 Summer Olympics page did use multiple sources; there are things to criticize about the edits (such as WP:TRIVIA), but being unsourced is not one of them.

As a technical point, the warning was left using a semi-automated tool. The tool automatically uses a harsher and harsher tone when you have already been warned in the past, and I assume Materialscientist did not explicitly choose the wording. However, editors using semi-automated tools are responsible for their output. In any case, even with milder wording, I would very much like Materialscientist to explain why they reverted as "unsourced" (again, a revert seems reasonable to me, but not on that grounds). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:52, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Tigraan I posted a short note on Material's talk page, letting them know about this. Not sure when they will see it. David10244 (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, the warning and edit summary were templated, and indeed writing both from heart would be friendlier, but the reality is that recent changes patrollers, me included, are overwhelmed with problematic edits. This edit was made in good faith, but it was overloaded with unencyclopedic details, and was largely unsourced (the cited sourced supported only a small part of the added details). Best regards. Materialscientist (talk) 11:19, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Page deletion

Hi Admins

I created a page for our organisation but some one deleted and I up loaded it again, it got deleted again. I tried to contact the person who deleted , he is not responding and later I found that he is no more in Wikipedia now what should I do to update the details. can some one pls help me

regards

Rev. Dr. Mobin Mathew Mobsindia (talk) 09:15, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Mobsindia Wikipedia isn't a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves, and where existence warrants a mention. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, called "notability"- such as a notable organization. Any article about your organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets that definition. Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization wants to say about itself. Please read Your First Article, as well as conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Both attempts you made were blatant advertising. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] Rev. Dr. Mathew, this is not an admin matter as such, so I will answer.

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia actually is, and what it does and does not allow. Please follow this link – Wikipedia:Five pillars – and read everything there thoroughly. When you have done so you should understand why what you are trying to do is not what Wikipedia is for. The messages left on your Talk page explain in more detail why what you have tried to do is inappropriate for Wikipedia. You would be better served by Facebook or similar social media sites – Wikipedia is not social media. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.235 (talk) 09:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Author name per book

In this case [1], is it possible to add the mononym-ish name Lisa Ann correctly to the cite book template? Apparently I cant leave the |last1= parameter empty. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

|author=Lisa Ann if you don’t want to treat Ann as a surname (although it seems throughout the Wikipedia article, Ann is treated as such for MOS:LASTNAME. Given the cover design also has different typefaces for Lisa and Ann, I think it might be fair to just treat Ann as a last name?) Umimmak (talk) 09:58, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't actually consider that. I leave it as is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:06, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

You can use last1 without first1 (but not the other way around).

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:57, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:06, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

In Visual Editor is there any way to reuse a cite but with a different page number?

I see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Book_referencing has been cancelled.

But I would like a cite style which uses the Visual Editor as much as possible to make it easier for new and casual editors.

Any suggestions? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:00, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Chidgk1 try using {{rp}}. When you want to cite a page using {{rp}} in VisualEditor, copy and paste the citation to where you want to cite and type {{ to open a dialogue for adding a template. Type "rp" and add the page number there. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:04, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Where do you go for userspace draft feedback WITHOUT submitting the draft?

Hi again folks,

In my (nearly two!) years of creating articles, I've been happily plodding alone writing some of them up drafts in the space of a few days and eventually submitting them for review and publication. However, I have one big monster of a userspace draft that I started in 2021 about a type of bus body, which I'd say is roughly 75% done, but there are notable gaps where I've yet to fill in crucial info about who took delivery of what bus, and in two years, I'm slightly concerned about how reliable and accurate my research from old bus and coach trade magazines and books was.

In that case, is there a way of getting feedback from more experienced editors on userspace drafts without submitting an article as a full draft for inclusion in the wiki? Normally, I would put it up and give it a shot for review, but not only would that take a long time to be processed (looking at three months for my latest published draft), it also is in no finished state to be included in Wikipedia and would certainly be rejected. Is there maybe a place somewhere where experienced hands can look over userspace drafts and give feedback to help me develop it to submission-ready quality?

Apologies if this was a bit long-winded, I admit this is a bit complicated to define. Hullian111 (talk) 16:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hullian111, the best place would probably be the talk page of an active and relevant WikiProject - perhaps WikiProject Transport, since the Buses project seems to be semi-active. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I'll give that a shot, thanks. Should I use Template:Help me or is that drawing too much undue attention for a fairly general peer review? Hullian111 (talk) 16:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hullian111, I don't think that would be an appropriate use of the template. It's designed for Q&A rather than content review. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hullian111 In your shoes, I would ask, like you did here. Try relevant wikiprojects, talkpages of associated articles, editors you think are interested in the subject, etc. Non may bite but the hooks are cheap. Depending on what you lack, perhaps WP:RX and WP:REFD can be of some help too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hullian111 For an article on a bus in particular, I'd ask on the relevant wikiproject, as the IP user above mentioned. There is also Wikipedia:Peer review. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Unfortuately, I don't think Template:PR works for userspace drafts - just tried putting it on the affected talk page and the template insisted it had to be substituted on a mainspace talk page. Thanks anyway, though, I'll try the WikiProjects instead and keep PR in mind for any mainspace articles to improve on. Hullian111 (talk) 16:57, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hullian111 Try Wikipedia:Peer review. Thinker78 (talk) 04:14, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Traian Chelariu

An article about my father, Traian Chelariu exists in Romanian, and I would like to make an English version of it. Can I translate the existing Romanian version? If yes, what would be the best way to do it? Thanks for your attention to this questions! Serban Serbanu (talk) 17:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation, WP:Conflict of interest, and at WP:Your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Serbanu. In addition to the pages mentioned above, you should also understand that each Wikipedia project is separate and distinct; this means that each project has its own editing community, its own policies and its own guidelines. So, in order for an article about your father (even if its just a translation of a Romanian Wikipedia article) to avoid be tagged or nominated for deletion, you will need to establish that your father meets Wikipedia:Notability (people). An English Wikipedia article will not just be automatically accepted simply because someone created a Romanian Wikipedia article about your father as explained here. Some other language Wikipedias have policies and guidelines that are similar to those of English Wikipedia, but in some cases there can be important differences not only in the content of a policy/guideline but also in how rigorously its being enforced. So, even though you posted you simply want to translate the article, you should probably view your task as creating an English Wikipedia article about your father completely from scratch and don't just assume everything in the Romanian Wikipedia article is going to be automatically OK for English Wikipedia. If ro:Traian Chelariu is the Romanian Wikipedia article about your father, then much of its content doesn't seem to be supported by citations to reliable sources and it's not even immediately clear whether the six sources cited in the article would be considered reliable for English Wikipedia purposes or be the WP:SIGCOV that English Wikipedia requires. For reference, non-English sources can be used on English Wikipedia as explained in WP:NONENG but the sources still need to be deemed reliable per WP:RS and provide significant coverage for them to be useful in establishing Wikipedia notability. So, perhaps before starting work on this, you might want to ask for assistance at WT:Romania to see if any members of WikiProject Romania might be able to offer any more specific suggestions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:43, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

External links not in expected place

I tried to add a new "External links" section to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Sherzer

However it is showing up below the catagories, rather than before them. Is this correct, and if not can someone explain what I've done wrong.

Thanks very much. Gallicrow (talk) 20:11, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Gallicrow Easily fixed with this edit. It was an issue with the placement of the template. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:30, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much. @Mike Turnbull Gallicrow (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe that your change affected only the placing of the American grandmasters box. Both before & after your change the "External links" section appeared above the categories, as expected. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:46, 3 January 2023 (UTC)