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July 23

Formatting a wikilink inside square brackets

There's a quote I'm tryna format, present on both Lady Zhen and Kong Rong (possibly elsewhere), where I want to wikilink a term which is nested between square brackets denoting an editorial alteration.

I'm already using {{!(}} and {{)!}} to produce the exterior pair of square brackets, but if I keep them both adjacent to the wikilinked term, it produces text with three pairs of square brackets and no wikilink, same as if I forgo the templates and just use square bracket characters: [[[Di Xin]]]. The nearest solution I've been able to find is leaving a whitespace between the wikilink and the editorial square brackets on either side like [ Di Xin ].

Is there a way to format this how I want?
n.b. I'm substituting this term into the quote to avoid a homophony (Zhou dynasty / King Zhou of Shang) that's extremely confusing for non-specialists. Folly Mox (talk) 01:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

If you are quoting something, you should not alter the quote. Quotes should be verbatim. If you are going to paraphrase, and change the terms, then don't present it as a quote. But, to answer your question directly, use nowiki tags around the outside brackets: [Di Xin] RudolfRed (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh geez I can't believe I forgot about nowiki tags. I guess I figured we have a template for everything now. These pages inherited the editorialised quote from an inactive editor; I'll rearrange the prose. Folly Mox (talk) 02:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Did that, but fyi the original quote verbatim is "武王伐紂，以妲己賜周公", so there might have been some leeway. Folly Mox (talk) 02:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh

Ref number 10 has red ink down the bottom - please fix, there appears to be a problem with dates. Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 03:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Another editor fixed it. You put in a futures date in a couple of places. RudolfRed (talk) 03:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Pushpin maps(?)

Does anybody know how to show multiple maps that can be selected as in the Jakarta article - pushpin maps? Looking at the WML, there is no mention of the filenames used - just some strange hashtags. I tried searching on help, but as is well known, the pathetic inadequacies of that function mean it's almost impossible to find even simple information. Any help, or a pointer to the concealed help page, would be much appreciated. Thanks. Davidelit (Talk) 04:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Thats a (hidden) call to {{Location map}}, presumably from Template:Infobox settlement. Basically, the value of |pushpin_map= is split on the hashtags, and the template then looks in Module:Location map/data/value for the images it should use. The radio buttons are added via clientside javascript from a default gadget. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:41, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks for responding, but I'm still not much nearer to being able to include pushpin maps in articles. How does the information get in Module:Location map/data/value ? Is it necessary to enter it manually? Or is the |pushpin_map= parameter added manually to the page with the image? Is there any documentation about how to do this? Regards Davidelit (Talk) 04:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Davidelit when you want a pushpin map in an article, you have to specify the |pushpin_map= of {{Infobox settlement}}, this value is passed through to the sub-template {{location map}} as the first unnamed parameter (one could also place a direct call to Location map in an article, but AFAIK its uncommon). The param takes a list of regions to display, seperated by #. In Jakarta the parameter is set to Indonesia Java#Indonesia#Southeast Asia, which means it should display a map of Java, one of Indonesia and one of Southeast Asia, in that order. The Module:Location map/data/value set of pages tell {{location map}} which file to use for a given region (as well as the coordinates covered, to place the location marker), e.g. When you specify Indonesia Java#Indonesia#Southeast Asia it will look into Module:Location map/data/Indonesia Java, Module:Location map/data/Indonesia and Module:Location map/data/Southeast Asia to determine which files it should use (if it cannot find a page called Module:Location map/data/foo it will try Template:Location map foo, if that also doesn't exist, it will display an error). This is also extensively covered at Template:Location map and to some extent in Template:Infobox_settlement#Maps,_coordinates. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh

I'm am worried that the new refernece number 11 is not quite right - is it OK? Thank you 175.38.42.62 (talk) 04:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

No it isn't. Please remove the circled R. Wikipedia avoids adorning trademarks with these things. 126.233.162.211 (talk) 07:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I see that the cite web template that the ref uses has both website and publisher parameters in it, which are pretty much the same. I would get rid of the publisher parameter since it is redundant, the name of the publisher company is exactly the same as the name of the website.

Looking at the reference itself, it appears to be just a picture of a portrait on an art museum website with very little additional info in it; I'm not sure how this inline reference adds to the verifiability of the sentence it is next to. But I am not very well-knowledged in the subject, maybe somebody else could explain this bit. — AP 499D25 (talk) 07:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Amelia Opie

Ref number 1 has bits of it in red, please fix if able. thanks. 175.38.42.62 (talk) 06:52, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

There's no bit in red. But why the CAPITALS? 126.233.162.211 (talk) 07:24, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

126.233.162.211, thats because I fixed the cite error that caused the red text, I only forgot to mention it here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:53, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Article created when a draft already exists - what next?

Hi there,

Suppose that someone creates an article in the mainspace even though there already exists an article under the same name but in the draft space. The new mainspace article is a bit different from the draft one.

What's the best way to go about using the content in the draft / copying it from the draft to the article while still maintaining attribution?

I came up with three different scenarios:

• Request history merge of the revisions on the draft article into the actual article
• This is a pretty crazy one I gotta say, but if I believe the article that has been created is not very useful / encyclopedic in its current state, then I send it through a deletion process like PROD or AfD. (That way we continue working on the draft as normal.)
• Turn the draft into a redirect to the actual article, perhaps with an "R with history" rcat on it, and then we copy content from the draft into the article with attribution. I swear I've seen drafts redirect into articles in the past before.

The actual draft and article in question if anyone's wondering, are Draft:Meteor Lake and Meteor Lake. Somebody else actually PRODded the Meteor Lake article nearly a week ago but it was cancelled just today. — AP 499D25 (talk) 07:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I was about to post about the exact same thing here as well! I've seen this twice so far in my inaugural round of NPP duties; at this writing, I'm now wondering how to deal with Draft:Nalla Nilavulla Rathri (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) → Nalla Nilavulla Rathri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (a recently released Malayalam action thriller from India). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 07:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Assuming that the topic of the existing article is notable and that the article does not have major problems like copyright violations or severe biographies of living people violations, then focus on improving the article by copying and pasting the useful new content from the draft to the article, attributing the specific draft as the source in your edit summary. Leave a note at the top of the draft page expressing your opinion that all usefull new content has been moved to the existing main space article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I will do that. — AP 499D25 (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Question about deleted templates and attribution

When a template that is in use gets nominated for deletion, and the discussion is in favour of the deletion, one of the most common outcomes of that scenario is that the template is substituted into the article(s) and deleted. This would throw away the editing history of the template. Does this really not break the attribution rules of the CC BY license used on Wikipedia?

Second question. Can I copy the contents of a deleted template (or a template that is about to be deleted) and paste it on an article without worrying about attribution?

The specific template I'm trying to deal with here is Template:AMD Ryzen 4000 series. The current major iteration of the template was made by me (when I did a rework of the table layout), but there were a few small edits made by other editors after it. The template is a content template that is transcluded onto articles to add content to the articles, and it just contains a wikitable and a short list at the top. — AP 499D25 (talk) 07:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Note: my question has been partially answered at the relevant TfD. — AP 499D25 (talk) 00:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I have lost my mobile number how can I chane my mobile 6online

Wants to connect my new mobile number and link my adhar 2402:8100:2728:D1EB:EE92:42E7:DE7B:769F (talk) 09:27, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, this is not a general help desk- this is only for asking questions about using Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Earlham Hall

Ref . number 8 is all wrong - please assist if able. Thank you 175.38.42.62 (talk) 10:54, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Now fixed. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Template->Cite Book on the edit window

Hi Folks! How would I get the "cite books" dialog that appears updated so it includes both volume, series and doi. Many of the university's are now doi's on the books and book chapters. Also, in almost every second reference I put on either a volume or a series or both. Yet its not on there and have to add it manualy every time? I see its finally been added to "cite journal" but journal are generally not in a series. Seems odd. Also is it possibly to design it in a manner that put many of the well used citation templates in it or some of them anyway. We are living in age of media, yet "cite AV" is not on it. Cite thesis would be handy as well. I seem to be putting more and more of these on as journal articles seem to be using them a lot more. I don't know if its a trend, but seems so at first glance. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 14:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Scope creep Do you mean the dialog that appears when you use the visual editor? The underlying template {{cite book}} allows for all the parameters you mention. A much easier way to do the citations, in my opinion, is to use your sandbox in source mode in combination with the WP:Citation expander (you don't need to save the result, just copy/paste it out once done). That gadget takes a DOI directly as input and creates a cite book or a cite journal as appropriate. The whole can then be put into the VE tab you have open separately. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks for the suggestion but I think it's only an indeterminate solution. I've not seen the citation expander, but certainly it would work with doi's but less so isbn's, sometimes there is only three fields populated and that often doesn't include the authors, never mind location, date, language. Its a very poor lookup mechanism. Is there any reason why "series, volume and doi" properties are not available on the dialog, particularly when they are so common. Its a massive timesink going back and forward, manually updating the references, when it should already be done in the dialog. It seem at best a weird time wasting exercise for no benfit to anybody. The time I've wasted going back and forward fixing references, I could have probably created another 50, 100 articles for the time I've wasted. scope_creep^Talk 08:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Does it ?

Does It have a part or link in wikibooks that you could publish your own book in wikibooks Malaquia100 (talk) 18:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)Malaquia100 (talk) 18:31, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Malaquia100, is your question "Can I publish my own book in Wikibooks?"? If so, Wikibooks is not Wikipedia. Therefore go to Wikibooks, select the language, familiarize yourself with Wikibooks in that language, and in what seems to be an appropriate forum there, describe the textbook that you have in mind and ask about it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I want to be able to upload pictures

Access Assamoto (talk) 20:08, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Assamoto See the File Upload Wizard. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Question about selection of version in the discussion

I added commemoration section in the Association football culture on 6 December 2022‎. then I had a dispute with user:AirshipJungleman29 about this section.

So I opened the discussion on 21 January 2023‎. We discussed this issue and third opinion - user participated in discussion but I and AirshipJungleman29 did't reach a consensus.

The discussion died a natural death‍ since 29 January 2023‎ and commemoration section was stayed until 19 July 2023.

On 20 July 2023, AirshipJungleman29 deleted this section without restart of discussion.

On 22 July 2023, I opened the second discussion and I asked for roll back to the 16 June 2023 version (pre second discussion - latest version )

But AirshipJungleman29 refuse to roll back to the 16 June 2023 version.

When do we discuss in the second discussion, Which version do we select? - 16 June 2023 version with commemoration section or 20 July 2023 without commemoration section Footwiks (talk) 20:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Footwiks, in general just keep it the way it is until the discussion ends. Reverting to the other version could incite an edit war. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Note OP has been indefinitely blocked for disruptive editing and WP:CIR. CodeTalker (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Amici miei – Atto III

Could someone change the title of this page? The hyphen should read "-", not "–". JackkBrown (talk) 22:48, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Is there some reason, JackkBrown, why this kind of request shouldn't be listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves? -- Hoary (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the suggested move is correct anyway. I don't see a case in MOS:HYPHEN that would apply here, and I see statements that would suggest that the title should remain as is (and this should be reverted) such as A hyphen is never followed or preceded by a space, except when hanging ... or when used to display parts of words independently. There is already a redirect from the form with a hyphen to the form with a dash, which all seems correct. CodeTalker (talk) 00:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)