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June 6

Cleanup after article deletion?

I asked this question first to the person who made the article deletion, over at User_talk:Liz#Cleanup_after_article_deletion?, but got no response. An article I previously worked on, Conversations_(software)#See_also, now has a red See also link. Search found it was deleted and you were closer. It still exists in several articles.[1] I know in the time I wrote this I could have deleted them all manually, but isn't there a process to check and fix such things as part of a deletion, similar to cleaning up after a move? Better, a bot like I see going around changing or deleting categories? If not, should there be, and where should I suggest it? Thanks. -- Yae4 (talk) 10:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

When one deletes an article, there's a certain amount of judgement involved with regard to dealing with links in other articles. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions says that a deleting admin should

Go to Special:WhatLinksHere on the deleted article and delete any redirects that point to the deleted article, using speedy deletion criterion G8. Also, if the AfD has shown no current scope to have an article on the subject, edit articles to remove redlinks to the deleted page; use your discretion over whether to delete the text altogether, e.g. from lists. Likewise, remove links found on category and portal pages; links on user and talk pages can be ignored, as can some WikiProject pages. (my emphasis)

Sometimes this procedure isn't always carried out with complete thoroughness, but I see no way in which it could be handled by a bot. I agree that redlinked entries for deleted articles shouldn't appear in "See also" sections, so whenever you see one, you should just remove it. Redlinks elsewhere in articles should be dealt with individually; they can be delinked, but if there's a possibility that a useful article could be written, they can be left alone. Deor (talk) 14:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Broken links are irritating, to me. A bot that unlinked them in-body, and deleted them in See also, would be a good start. Thanks for your answer. -- Yae4 (talk) 19:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and taken care of that. I will admit, when I delete an article I usually skip the checking "what links here" step - mostly because often most of what links there is lists of pages for deletion (For example - User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon sorting or User:SDZeroBot/AfD sorting, etc.); but also because I tend to be pretty tolerant of red links in the body of articles, and just because an article about X was deleted today, doesn't mean a better version can't be written 2 years from now. However, red links don't belong in See Also, or in pages that are lists of links to other articles, and that particular deleted article is less likely to be recreated in an acceptable form than, say, an article about an actor who has only had a small role in one movie but in 2 years might be an Oscar winner. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:06, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard has inserted a new dispute into a closed discussion. help.

The Dispute Resolution Noticeboard wizard has inserted a new dispute resolution into "Iran and_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine" rather than creating a new dispute.

How did this happen?

How can this be fixed? Bart Terpstra (talk) 14:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

fixed, previous user made formatting error. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Image description

How do I input a random image's description as the caption. (e.g. the image description of File:Evolution of a Tornado.jpg is This image is created from eight images shot in two sequences as a tornado formed north of Minneola, Kansas on May 24, 2016. This prolific supercell went on to produce at least 12 tornadoes and at times had two and even three tornadoes on the ground at once. I want to automatically insert the description to the caption, but I can't find the command to do so. ▶❓◀ 💬📜 16:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there's no way to do this automatically. Note that MOS:CAPTIONS says Keep in mind that not all this information needs to be included in the caption, since the image description page should offer more complete information about the picture. Also see the section MOS:CAPSUCCINCT on that page. ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Company Page Updates

I've read through a lot of the help/support/how to's etc. and understand one shouldn't update their own company page due to conflict of interest, however what is the best way to have it updated? Hire a 3rd party marketing firm, or? Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks! Calavarces (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

We don't have a single company page on Wikipedia, we have articles about notable companies. You can request edits on the talk page with the template {{edit request}}, see WP:Edit request for more details. Theroadislong (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I would very very very strongly advise against hiring anybody to edit Wikipedia on your behalf. Many of those who offer such a service are scam merchants. If they are honest, they will explain to that they cannot guarantee that they can make the article read the way you want it. While you are welcome to make edit requests, as Theroadislong said, such requests will be reviewed by an uninvolved editor, and actioned only insofar as they decide the requests are consistent with Wikipedia policy (eg all information must come from a reliable published source; most of the information must come from a published source entirely independent of your company; the language must be neutral and not promotional - and because of your conflict of interest you are likely to find it hard to judge what is promotional).

In short, Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Choosing the best method for dispute resolution

Hello!

A small group of users have been engaging in (what seems to me to be) a range of clearly policy-violating behaviors over the last couple days. I would like to follow policy as closely as possible in dealing with this, but reading Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution and Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_requests/Guide, I'm confused about how to proceed.

There are a bunch of content disputes at the heart of the matter, and I attempted to resolve them via the Third Opinion process — however, the other user in question brought in friends to post some insults in the thread, and then edited the 3O page to claim that since there were now more than two parties involved, it was invalid. One of those friends then preemptively archived the entire talk page discussion. This makes it clear to me that this is no longer just a content issue, but a case of WP:TAGTEAMing to dodge a good faith attempt to follow process.

The guide lists five steps; the first (discuss on the talk page) has been tried and broken down utterly as described; the next three are described as being for content disputes only; and the only one that is for conduct disputes (ANI) is repeatedly called out as a last resort, only for "chronic" issues, etc. So what is the right venue for escalating a conduct issue that doesn't rise to the ANI level yet?

The only other suggestion I've found in reading through the documentation about this is to approach an individual admin personally. I would be okay with this approach, but it doesn't appear in that guide so I'm not sure if it's actually the right idea, plus I have no idea how to go about finding the right one. I would like to find someone who has experience and interest in parsing through large and nuanced discussions/edit histories, rather than someone who is just going to try to make the problem go away as fast as possible.

Thanks for any advice!

— Personman (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I think in practice the place to go is ANI – that "last resort" thing is not followed too often, and ANI is even mentioned in {{uw-disruptive3}}, a warning that is often issued to brand new users. You can probably try an individual admin as well; someone more involved in dispute resolution than me would probably know better (I try to stay as far away from disputes as possible). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:18, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Waiting to hear back from "permissions-en at wikimedia.org"

I sent this email twice to "permissions-en at wikimedia.org" but have not heard back. Should I be sending it elsewhere?

I hereby affirm that I Jonathan Jacoby, the sole owner of the exclusive copyright of https://israelandantisemitism.com/ and have legal authority in my capacity to release the copyright of that work.

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the following free license: Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International.

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work, even in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that the copyright holder always retains ownership of the copyright as well as the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen.

Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by the copyright holder.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Jonathan Jacoby Copyright holder May 28, 2023

-- Jonathan Jacoby Jonathanabujj (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jonathanabujj The simplest way to accomplish what you are trying to accomplish would be to change the copyright notice on your website, which currently reads, "© 2023 Jonathan Jacoby. All rights reserved." to say something along the lines of:

"The text of this website [or page, if you are specifically releasing one section] is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."

You can read more at this link. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Jonathanabujj (talk) 19:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Jonathanabujj. In addition to copyright, there coould be other concerns related to the content you want to use from your website. Many websites are written in way that's not really neutral enough for Wikipedia's purposes or otherwise has WP:TONE or WP:UNDUE issues. It's also quite possible that the website itself wouldn't be really be considered reliable for Wikipedia's purposes. So, even though the content you want use may be OK from an copyright standpoint, it might still have issues for other reasons. The subject matter that your website covers seems potentially contentious given the diverse nature of the Wikipedia community; so, please just don't assume automatically assume that you have the right to use the content as long as it's licensed correctly. Although Wikipedia encourages us to be WP:BOLD, it might be best for you to be WP:CAUTIOUS is trying to use the content and seek to establish a consensus to do so on the relevant article's talk page first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Jonathanabujj (talk) 04:50, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Searches for without accents...

What is the easiest way to search for "Óscar Madrazo" without getting hits for "Oscar Madrazo" or vice versa?(one has an accent on the O, the other doesn't)Naraht (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22%C3%93scar+Madrazo%22+insource%3A%2F%C3%93scar+Madrazo%2F&ns0=1

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:12, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Ensuring the Edits submitted my me does not violate the wikipedia norms.

Dear Sir, Namaskars. I have added some information about Ramakrishna Mission Ashrama, Gwalior and its departments. I wish to ensure that all the additions fall under the prescribed norms of wikipedia. Please guide. Rkma Gwalior (talk) 19:56, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

You edited your sandbox. The best way to submit a new article is to use Article Wizard. Your text would not be accepted as it is completely unsourced. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Writing a new article is challenging, and we usually recommend that people first learn more about Wikipedia by editing existing articles and using the the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rkma Gwalior: Hi there! Are you referring to the edits you made to the List of Ramakrishna Mission institutions article? Or are you referring to User:Rkma Gwalior/sandbox (which 331dot mentioned above)? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Rkma Gwalior, your recent edits to List of Ramakrishna Mission institutions added several direct external links to the text of the list. This contravenes Wikipedia:External links.   Maproom (talk) 21:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

"Central Base Section"

Why is there the (incomplete) sentence "Central Base Section" (without any meaning inserted here) at the end of the paragraph "Background"? Page: American logistics in the Normandy campaign. JackkBrown (talk) 22:51, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

The best place to ask this would be at Talk:American logistics in the Normandy campaign. 331dot (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: I just asked there too. JackkBrown (talk) 23:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Answered there (and here). Go right to the source and ask User:Jnestorius. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Changing a graphic display on a page

The "Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego" page displays a coat of arms that is very outdated and few know how it got on WP. We have been using a different one since 1990 and would like to add that to the page. 66.185.171.99 (talk) 23:00, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Is File:Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego.svg any better? --DB1729^talk 23:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh wait, that's the one in the infobox. Are they (the other being at top right) both outdated? --DB1729^talk 23:53, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Someone recently added the one at the top. Do want that one to go in the infobox instead? Looks like it's low resolution only thing. --DB1729^talk 23:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)