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March 7

Wikipedia deleted my fathers page

James Hugo Sporleder was removed by WIKIPEDIA representatives claiming he was not published.

I have St. Louis Post Dispatch published article introducing James Hugo Sporleder,

USA Senate Committee published quotes by James H Sporleder.

Where and why was it removed? Jeffry Sporleder (talk) 03:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jeffry Sporleder: James Hugo Sporleder was deleted in 2021 after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Hugo Sporleder. It was created in 2016 by Wendy.sporleder. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Nobody is suggesting that he wasn't published. The question is "Was there enough independently published material about him to base an article on?" The consensus in 2021 was that there wasn't. If you can point to sufficient sources to establish notability, then an article about him might be possible (but the deleted article would probably not be much use for the purpose, because it was evidently not based on suitable sources). Remember that nothing written, published, or commissioned by him, his family, his associates, or his employers would contribute to notability. ColinFine (talk) 15:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

If a draft is similar to an existing article

What should I do if I find a draft that covers the same topic as an existing article but the spelling is slightly different. Specifically, Draft:Kluay Buat Chi versus Kluai buat chi. Aithus (talk) 05:38, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Aithus. A draft about a topic that is already the subject of a Wikipedia article should be declined on that basis alone. Any new policy-compliant content in the draft should be merged into the existing article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Aithus: You can use {{AfC comment}} to say an article already exists.[1] If the spelling is a plausible search term then create a redirect. "Kluay Buat Chi" gives many Google hits including the capitals. I have redirected Kluay Buat Chi to Kluai buat chi. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Nationality

My reading of MOS Biography is that it is correct to describe Vitalik Buterin as Russian-Canadian as he was born in Russia and NOT to describe Dominik Mysterio as Mexican-American as he was born in the US.

Can you confirm - or if not put me right please.

Many thanks. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 08:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The answer to questions like this is always "how do the sources describe him?" not "Where was he born?" ColinFine (talk) 15:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Positions are not in clockwise order

Good morning, on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta, the positions within the first caption are not in clockwise order. JackkBrown (talk) 13:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: Yes they are. Clockwise means . PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The best place to raise such issues is on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I think this is plagiarism.

I was given a newbie task to add citations to the Battle of Chiset article. I found a source here (https://dbpedia.org/page/Battle_of_Chiset). Then I realized that the article was just copied and pasted from this site and copied to wikipedia. I'm new, but I don't think this is in acordence with the rules. If this is against the rules, where do I report it? Blitzfan51 (talk) 15:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Blitzfan51 If you scroll to the bottom of the page at dbpedia, you will see a disclaimer that it is a Wikipedia mirror, in other words, they copied from us. Definitely don't use that as a source in our article, as it would be a circular reference. When I'm looking for sources for older articles, I tend to check the history to see when the oldest version of our article was created, then I limit my searching to sources that pre-date our article. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

In addition, it seems that this mirror is license-compliant (it says that the text comes from Wikipedia and under which license).

If it had not been, see Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks#Non-compliance_process for what you can do (but realistically speaking, the answer is nothing). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:23, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, if you check Bataille de Chizé, ther are sources there you could use. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

From that site's footer: This content was extracted from Wikipedia. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 15:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Oops! OK thank you for the help. I'm gonna run back to that article and uncite that cite and try to find different sources. Blitzfan51 (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Blitzfan51: I added some "find sources" links at the top of the Talk page (that's at Talk:Battle of Chiset) which may halp you find more sources. Most of them turned up empty, but this Qwant link returns several sources (in French) that may help you. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 09:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Potential biog AfD

I just stumbled onto this biog Nicolas Sarkis which has many dead or deprecated citations. I think that notability is not met although he is author of a book. Would someone care to have a glance (it's short) and advise whether an AfD is appropriate here? Thanks. Thelisteninghand (talk) 16:01, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Dead links aren't great, but the fact that links went dead should not effect the notability of the subject. Nearly everything on the internet is archived somewhere.Help:Using the Wayback Machine has more information on how to find archived articles. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - links and notability are two separate issues really. I can't see what makes the subject notable. The article appears to advertise his book and not much more. Cites to a PDF and publisher's website are not good sources I would suggest. I'll await further comments before AfD. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from Anubhavklal

I have noticed some vandalism at Indian National Congress. Namely, details of the founders are deleted everytime without justification. I have also posted this on Talk page. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Anubhavklal (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

This looks to me like an inaccurate description of what is going on there. However, you've done the right thing by opening a talk page discussion on the subject, that is for sure how we resolve content disputes here. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Anuabhavklal, you are having a content dispute with Vanamonde93: that is how Wikipedia works. You have taken the correct step by discussing it on the talk page (after having previously taken a very very incorrect step of edit warring). If you cannot resolve your dispute in that way, dispute resolution will tell you how to proceed.

Please note that describing an edit that you disagree with as vandalism is disruptive. ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

HISTORY OF Cincinnati Ohio

I see no mention of the Cincinnati Royals basket ball team 184.57.211.122 (talk) 18:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

History of Cincinnati is not protected and you can add referenced content to the "Sports" section. See WP:FIXIT. Cullen328 (talk) 18:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Franklin D. Roosevelt Harvard Graduating Year

He graduated in 1904 not 1903. The Harvard Crimson Yearbook lists his Senior Photo in 1904. 2600:8801:2F00:9D:9493:8685:78F:5F59 (talk) 20:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I graduated in a different year than my last college yearbook is. Perhaps it's the same for FDR. What matters is what independent reliable sources say. Please direct inquires about the FDR article to its talk page, Talk:Franklin D. Roosevelt. 331dot (talk) 20:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

He graduated in three years, so 1903, according to the FDR Presidential Library and Museum, but he did stay a fourth year, taking some graduate courses, which may sorta explain why he is included in the class of 1904. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Now added to the article, with sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Best wikiproject for Lockdown Files

Hey, was interested in some advice on editing this page as announcements continue. Is there a good wikiproject for this sort of page. I normally hang out on WP:MED and WP:LAW but this is a little more current affairs than medicine. Talpedia (talk) 22:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Talpedia. The talk page Talk:Lockdown Files lists five relevant WikiProjects. Will any of them do? ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Is there an IPA pronunciation validator?

I occasionally encounter articles whose subjects are words that are confusing for Anglophones to pronounce (such as Guerciotti). I was thinking about adding IPA pronunciation guides for some of these words that I happen to be certain of the correct pronunciations for. It occurs to me that an IPA validator which one could input IPA symbols into, to be able to listen to ensure that those symbols are correct for the word, would be a very useful tool. I have not been able to find any such validator. Can anyone point me in the direction of such a thing (if it exists) or otherwise provide guidance for how I can ensure that the IPA symbols I use sound accurate? Thank you. Bricology (talk) 22:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bricology: If you use Template:IPAc-en to add the IPA pronunciations, each phoneme will display, when hovered over, an English word containing that phoneme (example: /ɡwɛərˈtʃɔːtiː/}. This works for displaying an Anglicized pronunciation, and you can preview your edit to make sure that the tooltips are showing what you intend. Displaying the authentic Italian pronunciation is a bit more complicated. Deor (talk) 23:01, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! That's very useful information. Bricology (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bricology: Try a google search for IPA readers. You get lost of results. I just did this and then tried one online one [2]. It worked well on two samples. I have no way to evaluate if it is better or worse than others. -Arch dude (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! That the search parameters I used didn't produce the magic results, so I appreciate that link. Cheers! Bricology (talk) 00:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Deletion

I created an article in my sandbox on the BLP Sue Galloway. In the few days that it took me to do so, another editor created the same article. I accidentally moved it to the wrong place: Wikipedia:Sue_Galloway Can someone speedy delete it? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 22:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@maineartists: you have already placed the g7 tag. an admin will delete it soon enough. lettherebedarklight晚安 00:38, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@lettherebedarklight No I didn't. And now my Sandbox is completely gone: [3]. Editor @Liz placed the g7 and deleted my sandbox page in the process. How do I restore it? I would like to retrieve the content to contribute to the created BLP article. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 11:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@Maineartists: You're going to want to go to WP:REFUND for more details, and as far as I can tell, after you moved the content from your sandbox it left a redirect, so that got deleted per G8 once the page in the Wikipedia: namespace was. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)