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November 15

Help! I used to be able to choose language of the artickles

I want to search articles and have an option to see these articles in different languages, like in the old Wikipedia version. English versions often are different from, say, those in the Russian Wikipedia. Help! Alex R. (talk) 01:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey there. I assume that you are currently using the Vector (2022) skin? If so, you can change languages of the article (you may be viewing) in the top right corner. Well known subjects are available in the Russian language. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Italics

How do I put italics on one word in the title, such as the word oinochoe in "Oinochoe by the Shuvalov Painter"? JackkBrown (talk) 03:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: There is a parameter in {{Italic title}} you can use to specify which part of the title to put in italics. RudolfRed (talk) 03:17, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown:{{Italic title|string=Oinochoe}} Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown:: You might see other editors use {{DISPLAYTITLE}}, such as {{DISPLAYTITLE:''Oinochoe'' by the Shuvalov Painter}}. GoingBatty (talk) 16:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Did I handle this okay?

I noticed a typo on Corpus Delicti (band), saw that the article was...really bad... and went in the history to find that an editor added a lot of content to the article with a lot of problems. I went on the editor's talk page and left a message explaining why the edits weren't very good. Was my handling of the situation okay? Dialmayo (talk) (Contribs) she/her 12:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, if it was one editor who did those edits, then just revert the edits and leave a message on the editor's talk page explaining the problems. That's what you did, and I'd say that's good! ThatOneWolf ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there Dialmayo, thanks for coming to the help desk! the edit seemed like copyvio to me so I ran a quick test using earwig and it was a direct copy and paste from another website that was not suitably licensed, so I reverted the edits and tagged it for revision deletion for copyright reasons. I echo ThatOneWolf in saying that your note on the other editor's talk page was really good, thanks for your contributions! Justiyaya 13:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Good catch with the copyvio! That's a neat tool, by the way. I'll make sure to remember it. Dialmayo (talk) (Contribs) she/her 15:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

"Thyrsus"

Hi, "Thyrsus" and "Kylix" goes in italics? JackkBrown (talk) 16:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: I think your questions about which words should be italicized would be better asked at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Text formatting. GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

James IV king of Scots

The entry on Scotland refers to James IV as being the last British king to die in battle . This is wrong . He was Scottish and never was British . How can we change that please Ensb1 (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ensb1. I see the lead of James IV of Scotland states "James was the last monarch in Great Britain to be killed in battle", and Great Britain includes Scotland, so this seems OK. I don't see anywhere in the article where he is described as British. However, if I'm missing the sentence you want changed, then I suggest you start a discussion on Talk:James IV of Scotland, and specify the exact sentence you want to be changed, and suggest the alternate wording. Or be bold and change it yourself. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

yes but the entry on scotland itself says british and this is what needs to be changed

eg

The Treaty of Perpetual Peace was signed in 1502 by James IV of Scotland and Henry VII of England. James married Henry's daughter, Margaret Tudor. James invaded England in support of France under the terms of the Auld Alliance and became the last British monarch to die in battle, at Flodden in 1513. 151.43.159.130 (talk) 19:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

British is just wrong> he was scottish.. always and would never have accepted being designated as british Ensb1 (talk) 19:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I've changed Scotland to match James IV of Scotland: "the last monarch in Great Britain to die in battle". I hope that satisfies all. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] Ensb1, the terms 'British' and 'Scottish' can refer to ethnicities, regionalities and nationalities, which are not always the same thing, and which all vary in application according to date.

With reference to James IV, he is considered British because he was both native to and ruler of a part of Great Britain, and it is a given that (what is now) "Scotland" (previously Caledonia or Pictland, taken over by Scots from Ulster) is and always has been geographically part of the island of Great Britain (and used to be called "North Britain" in one period). Incidentally, his family line probably descended from a Breton who took part in the Norman conquest of England.

Description of people in a modern encyclopaedia article are generally made according to modern historical analyses and understanding. What James IV himself would have called himself at the time, because of political circumstances then applying, has no bearing on the matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 20:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

no no no..great britain did not exist at that time full stop. he was scottish and king of scots and would not himself consider himself as british..That is the salient point. show him some respect . of course there are many ethnicities and many ways of being scottish but at that time he was monarch of an independent kingdom fighting the english .. it was not a civil war but a war between two states.. end of exchange he was scottish Ensb1 (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Being Scottish (which he was) does not exclude him from being British in the modern sense being used. You are equivocating. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 02:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

In Great Britain it says "The term Great Britain was first used officially in 1474, in the instrument drawing up the proposal for a marriage between Cecily, daughter of Edward IV of England, and James, son of James III of Scotland". The names "μεγάλη Βρεττανία" and "megale Brettania" were used in the second century A.D. Maproom (talk) 08:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

This is nonsense. Saying that he was Scottish and not British makes as much sense as saying that he was Scottish and not European, or that he was a man and not a human being. JBW (talk) 19:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

How could he ever have been British ? For goodness sake . If he weee here he would tell you he was Scottish . Ensb1 (talk) 19:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Were here Ensb1 (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Ensb1 As far as I can see, you seem to be confusing "existing" with "existing as a political entity". Italy had existed for a very long time before the Kingdom of Italy was formed, for much of its history as a number of separate states; likewise India existed as a geographical area covered by the territories of numerous states before it became a unified state. Iceland existed for over 400 years as a part of the kingdom of Norway, and later for almost a century as a part of the kingdom of Denmark, long before the Kingdom of Iceland came into existence in 1918. Britain is an island, which has existed for the best part of 10,000 years, long before the concept of Scotland was invented. JBW (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Scotland was an independent state and kingdom in 1513 QED. SO

lets stop this fruitless exchange Ensb1 (talk) 19:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Siana Cup; Lip Cup

Could someone rename these two pages? "Cup" should be in lowercase. Thank you! "Siana Cup; "Lip Cup". JackkBrown (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

You have the ability to perform most page moves yourself, JackkBrown. Where you don't, or where some other problem might arise, Wikipedia:Moving a page explains how to proceed. -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: You have been told, on at least three separate occasions at the help desk, how to change a page's title by moving it, and what you can do if you can't do it yourself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:16, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Accessing to the previous Help_desk page content

How Can I access to the older versions of this page (Help_desk) to refer to the reply for my post around 10 days ago ?? Bezyjoon (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Your reply is at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 November 4#Adjusting the Break Line Height to a fraction ratio. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, But I would like to know how I can access older posts for future reference ? Bezyjoon (talk) 23:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bezyjoon: There's a callout box on the right-hand side near the top of this page titled "Search the help desk archives and other help pages". You can type terms to look up then click Search the archives. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks ! Bezyjoon (talk) 23:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)