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November 4

Ekpeye language

Hello there is an issue on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekpeye_language the first reference in the reference section doesn’t look right can you help. Bernadine okoro (talk) 05:38, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bernadine okoro, that reference is defined in the template {{Infobox language}}, and more specifically by the subtemplate {{Infobox language/ref}}. Some of the changes that ended up using e16 also removed "|iso3=ekp" from the infobox. I've put it back and now the reference is back to normal. StarryGrandma (talk) 06:38, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Mukesh Chhabra

This page has been deleted can you please revert it back to the previous version, Mukesh Chhabra - Casting director of indian film industry.Mukesh Chhabra. Please resolve this asap Page Link: Draft:Mukesh Chhabra

IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2535507/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_7_tt_0_nm_8_q_mukesh

Article 1: https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/mukesh-chhabra-on-gangs-of-wasseypur-casting-nepotism-star-kids-101688116681615.html

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/mukesh-chhabra-reveals-how-mammoth-cast-of-shah-rukh-khans-jawan-fell-in-place-160-actors-and-more-than-a-year-of-prep-8933300/

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/i-like-to-know-the-director-s-world-says-filmmaker-mukesh-chhabra-123011001211_1.html Iamrohj (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

The draft was declined for inadequate sourcing. You resubmitted it without change. This is disruptive editing. Anacrhonist reverted your submission. You reinstated it. This is edit warring.

Stop your disruption now. This is an encyclopaedia: there is no deadline.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Of the links you posted above, one is to IMDB, which is not a reliable source, and the others are interviews with Chhabra, and thus of no relevance to Wikipedia.

I recommend that you do the following:

1. Pause for a moment
2. Explain what is your connection with Chhabra. If you are in any way paid or employed by him or his associates, you must make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor.
3. Read NACTOR and YFA carefully
4. Find several sources that are meet all the criteria in Golden rule. If a source does not meet all three criteria, don't waste your and our time on it.
5. If you can find several sources that meet the criteria, then you can go ahead on the draft. Forget everything you know about Chhabra, and write an article based solely on those sources. If you can't find at least three such sources, then you will know that he does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and know not to spend any more time on this article.

ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Italics

I have italicised "macchietta", "sceneggiata", "musicarello" and others, but I wondered if "spaghetti Western" should also be italicised. Thanks in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 16:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Only if it's being used in a non-English language. 'Spaghetti' itself has been widely used in English so long that it no longer requires italicisation (in contrast to the three words you instance, which I as an English speaker and retired textbook editor do not recognise): the 1984 edition of The Oxford Dictionary for Writers and Editors (a standard publishing industry text, which lists only words about which spelling and other doubts might arise) specifically says "Spaghetti, strings of pasta (not ital.)"

'Spaghetti Western' is an entirely English-language term, so also should not be italicised when used in English. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 17:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Friuli Venezia Giulia

Why does the title say "Friuli Venezia Giulia", while the text says "Friuli-Venezia Giulia"? JackkBrown (talk) 19:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Presumably because (i) whoever wrote each believed at the time that it was the better choice, and (ii) nobody has subsequently been so worried about the difference that they have wanted to alter the one or the other. -- Hoary (talk) 21:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

River

I'm working with lowercases. Is it spelled "Arno River" or "Arno river"? JackkBrown (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I presume this is about the Arno, which is in Italy. And I notice that the article title is simply "Arno", with no mention of "river". But I have no particular knowledge of Italian rivers or their naming conventions.

I'm a Brit. Our rivers tend to be called River Mersey, River Tyne, River Thames etc. and we tend to include "River ...", and with a capital 'R', in the name. (I have a vague recollection that I've seen one where it is "Something River" rather than "River Something".) More informally, in everyday life (and outside the context of formal encyclopaedia articles) we tend to say simply "the Mersey", "the Tyne", "the Thames", etc.

The point is that it may vary from country to country.

Now, when I look at the Arno article, and in particular at the cited references listed at the end of the article, they tend to use "Arno River", both in the title and the body of the article.

So overall I surmise that the most appropriate terms are probably "Arno" (one word) and "Arno River" (capital 'R'). Check local context and refs about the river itself.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Province of Prato

On this page, which paragraph goes first? "Municipalities and population" or "Government"? JackkBrown (talk) 19:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Presumably you're asking which should go first. If you think that the order should be changed, you can change it. If you'd like to ask about the order, try Talk:Province of Prato. -- Hoary (talk) 21:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: Regardless of order, MOS:FOREIGN states that English equivalent words should be used in preference to foreign language terms. I done this in the article. Bazza (talk) 09:44, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I am accidentally reviewing my own good article nomination

I created the article Malmö school stabbing and I recently nominated for good article status, however I misclicked and accidentally volunteered to review it myself (which isn’t allowed since I created the article and have a close connection to it) and now there is a review page which says I am the reviewer. Is there any way to “un-volunteer”?

Talk:Malmö school stabbing/GA1 <- here is the review page by the way

Salutations25 (talk) 20:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear! (But I've done worse in my time.) I've deleted Talk:Malmö school stabbing/GA1. I hope, Salutations25, that this deletion will prompt an alteration to the entry (which I shouldn't edit directly) in WP:GAN for Malmö school stabbing; but if we're unlucky, the process will work the other way, inferring from the entry for it that my deletion of Talk:Malmö school stabbing/GA1 was mistaken or otherwise improper. Let's wait a few hours and see. -- Hoary (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, lets hope someone else will review it. 😅 Salutations25 (talk) 21:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I reversed the edit to the article talk page and the bot seems to have caught up with itself. TSventon (talk) 21:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

"Communes" or "comunes"?

Is spelled "communes" or "comunes"? I found both spellings. JackkBrown (talk) 20:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

You ask "Is it spelled...". What is "it"? Both words exist. The choice almost certainly depends on context, including location. See, for example, Comune and Commune. And I see that Commune has an entry "Communes of Italy, called comune" where the two spellings are present within that single entry. So follow the convention for the particular context or location of the particular article. Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: In English, it's ["commune"], but that word is not equivalent to the word comune in Italian and other languages used to describe villages, parishes, towns, etc. I have sometimes replaced comune with "municipality" or similar if it's not part of a name, and is used in normal text or an article's short description. Bazza (talk) 09:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Seeking Information on Gaming-Friendly Car Features

Hello, I'm interested in learning about car models that offer gaming-friendly features such as advanced infotainment systems, comfortable seating, and other amenities for gamers(Redacted). Can anyone provide information on car manufacturers or models that cater to the gaming community? Thanks in advance for your help! Maaz18182 (talk) 21:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

You don't appear to be asking for help in using Wikipedia, which is what this page is for. If you'd like to ask about something else (e.g. cars), please go to Wikipedia:Reference desk, choose one among "For information on any topic, choose the section that best fits that topic", and post there. -- Hoary (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay Thank You. Maaz18182 (talk) 21:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Photos removed

I added photos to the USS Cooperstown article and they have been removed. Why? AAJARUT (talk) 21:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Very likely because you put them in the wrong place. If a "gallery" is appropriate, it goes towards the foot of an article, not at its head. -- Hoary (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

That’s probably it then. AAJARUT (talk) 21:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

AAJARUT, note that you can fix this without having to retype everything. Instead: (i) look in the "History" of the article to find the version that you edited, (ii) opt to edit this version, (iii) copy the "gallery" section into your clipboard, (iv) cancel the edit, (v) edit [the latest version of] the article, and (vi) paste the gallery in. (However, please read and digest Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Image_galleries first.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Adjusting the Break Line Height to a fraction ratio

Hello dear editors. Can someone explain for me how can I adjust the break-line height which is placed between 2 lines using <br> ? I need to adjust it to 1.5 times a normal line height.

Thank You for your help in advance ! Bezyjoon (talk) 21:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

In general, it's probably unwise to attempt to micro-manage the formatting. But on rare occasions, it might be genuinely useful. One example of such an exception is described in the H:ATF section about "song lyrics". Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for reply, But I'm afraid unfortunately this method is not working for my case which is between 2 consecutive Track listing templates ! I tried it before and it failed. For instance, Please see the formatting for this link , Right before the line "2012 deluxe edition disc two" . That's where I would like to change the break-line height to make the table more readable and elegant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_Me_(Samantha_Fox_album)

Regards

Bezyjoon (talk) 23:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the specific example. Having a real example is always useful.

This is a space between two successive instance of the template Template:Track listing. (It's probably best not to use the word "table" here in this deep technical context, because the this isn't a Wikipedia "table".) Personally? I'd forget it and move on.

But if you want to take it further, then analyse it for its potential generality across thousands of similar articles (not just this particular example) which also similarly have adjacent uses of Template:Track listing. Consider what might benefit that general case. And the place to pursue that discussion at the next step is at the talk page for that template: Template talk:Track listing. For instance, using your example, you might raise the general question of spacing between two adjacent uses of the template.

As an approximate analogy, a very common feature on general article talk pages is that they start with a list of Wikiprojects. Someone has create a higher-level template called "WikiProject banner shell" which acts as a wrapper around a set of several individual "Wikiproject Foo" templates. Picking something at random of my own "watchlist" I see this at Talk:Adoro te devote. So, returning to your case, at the Template talk:Track listing page you you might raise the possibility of a higher-level wrapper around Template:Track listing.

I hope that gives you a next step forward.

In brief: either regard it as low priority and move to something else, or pursue a general suggestion about a higher-level wrapper at Template talk:Track listing.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 00:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation and sorry for using the word Table instead of the Track listing template (Blame it on my imperfect English !). So if I'm not wrong, there is no way to adjust the line-break height between 2 Track listing template in general. I will definitely raise this in the related talk page.

Regards Bezyjoon (talk) 01:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with your English, Bezyjoon: 'table' was perfectly correct in a general English-language sense. It's just that Wikipedia has developed internal jargon where certain words and expressions regarding internal Wikipedia matters have very particular meanings, often a little different from their correct or usual meanings in general English.

A prominent example is "Notable", which misleads a lot of inexperienced editors/users, as here it means "has been well noted (documented)" rather that "is worthy of note"" as it does in 'regular English.' The sciences experience similar problems, where for example "theory" and "law" have different meanings than in everyday English – hence the common misguided objection "But it's only a theory!"

Often, hasty-chosen "placeholder" terms invented by researchers (or encyclopaedia builders 'on the fly') become established where better ones could have been devised, and it becomes impractical to change them. No-one can be expected to be familiar with such in-house jargon usages until they have had extended experience of them, and in Wikipedia we mostly learn them by being corrected by more experienced co-editors, so there's no need to apologise. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 14:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)