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November 5

1 terrorist 2 names

In the Abu Ayyub al-Masri article 2 different names are used to refer to the same terrorist. It is kinda confusing. Shouldn't we pick one name and use that throughout the article? al-Muhajir appears to be a nom de guerre 1. Polygnotus (talk) 09:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: Hi there! The best place to discuss your concern and come to consensus is the article's talk page: Talk:Abu Ayyub al-Masri. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Comma after date at start of sentence?

Is there any guidance in the MOS or elsewhere about use or not of a comma after a date? For example: "In 1787, she caused a minor public scandal when her Self-portrait with her Daughter Julie (1787) was exhibited at the Salon of 1787." I have seen similar sentences both with and without a comma, and seen corrections made in both directions. I know the problem can sometimes be avoided by rewriting the sentence, but my example sentence structure here is very useful in biographical articles. Is there a recommendation? Thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 11:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Masato.harada: Have you seen MOS:DATEFORMAT & WP:DATEOVERVIEW? Polygnotus (talk) 11:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Masato.harada, I'd say that the question of the comma is minor compared with the surplus of "1787"s in that sentence. (Try: "In 1787, she caused a minor public scandal when her Self-portrait with her Daughter Julie was exhibited at the Salon.") Well, it's a preposed adjunct of time (whose standard position would be one of "She caused a minor public scandal in 1787 when her Self-portrait with her Daughter Julie was exhibited at the Salon in 1787." Preposed adjuncts tend to be followed by commas (if written) or a slight pause (if spoken. I'd use a comma, but if another writer wouldn't then I wouldn't insist on it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Why?

Why does "Trevisana nera" have "nero" in lowercase, while "Ribolla Gialla" has "gialla" in upperc case? I have to say that as much as English-language Wikipedia is better than Italian-language Wikipedia, it really has far, far too much confusion with uppercase and lowercase, something it.wiki does not have. First of all, tell me if it is spelled "Ribolla Gialla" or "Ribolla gialla", because if is spelled in lowercase I have to correct quite a lot of stuff. JackkBrown (talk) 12:06, 5 November 2023 (UT.)

I observe that the article Pinot noir refers to it variously as Pinot noir, Pinot Noir, and pinot noir. I would not regard Wikipedia as a trustworthy source for the capitalisation of vine varieties. Maproom (talk) 13:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

In this case, JackkBrown, it's probably because nera (black) is an adjective from a common noun, which by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) are not capitalised in page titles (unless the first word), whereas Gialla has been presumed (perhaps incorrectly) to derive from the placename of the Friuli Venezia Giulia region, in which 'Giulia' (Julian) is ultimately based on a personal name, in English Julius/Julia: English normally retains the capital for both place- and personal names, which are 'proper' nouns, rather than 'common' nouns.

If Gialla does not derive from Giulia or another proper noun, you would have a good case to decapitalise it.

Yes, English orthography is complicated – especially compared to Italian – for historical reasons. Because Wikipedia has mostly been crowdsourced from enthusiastic amateurs, compiling its Manual of Style by ongoing concensus, it is bound to be less consistent that if it had been entirely composed by trained professional editors (of which I used to be one) relying on pre-established formal House style manuals.

It is probably better to think of Wikipedia as a collection of articles (a massive non-fiction anthology) rather than as a single 'work'. Stylistic consistency overall would be a nice thing to have, but consistency within each article is much more important, because it is there that inconsistencies can confuse readers. The inter-article consistency you are spending a good deal of time on, while dear to my heart also, is much less noticeable to nearly all readers. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 14:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

It looks tricky in the languages of the countries where these grapes/wines originated too. Our "List of Italian grape varieties" article would appear inconsistent (why Gialla, Giallo, Grigio, but not bianca, bianco, or nero?), however a similar list on Italian Wikipedia also shows some inconsistencies, and is also quite different from French Wikipedia's version. Stylistic consistency across the board seems like a high-bar, but some guidance to apply here would no doubt be appreciated (if someone can establish what is actually "correct"). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I want add a new molecule

Extensive discussion of a non-notable proposed article moved to User talk:Moscole. Please continue the discussion there-Arch dude (talk) 18:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Copyright expired, public domain

The lead of Draft:Henry Symonds (composer) incorporates text from https://books.google.fi/books?id=OxyL9FBXPNEC&dq=henry%20symonds%20organist%20london&hl=fi&pg=PA181#v=onepage&q=henry%20symonds&f=false page 181-2. Which template should I use in the draft to note this? NotAGenious (talk) 15:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@NotAGenious: I think you need to add this to your citation of the source. See Template:Source-attribution. However, if the article makes extensive use of the material all over your article, you might choose to add an explicit "attribution" in the reference section. I did this a lot when I started Wikipedia articles by direct copy from PD sources. -Arch dude (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Request

Since when I edit a page I work a lot on consistency and uniformity (if I capitalise a word, that word must be capitalised throughout the article), could I get automatic tools to make my work easier? Thanks in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

The standard Wikipedia editor lets you search and replace with regular expressions, which are very useful for this sort of thing. Just make sure you check your work. Remsense聊 15:50, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Photo info

IMHO, my reversion of info removal per User_talk:Jax_0677#NFCC was correct. Can someone please enlighten me? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 23:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Blood Red Throne

Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blood Red Throne (2nd nomination), is there some policy that states that a non-notable musical ensemble can redirect to one of its notable member musicians that has an article? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Misua

I am undecided about this page. Some terms "Misua" is written in italics and some are not, risking confusing the readers... JackkBrown (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

It is a foreign word, and in this case it should ideally always be in italics. Remsense聊 16:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense: I'm done for today, I'm tired. Would you like to correct this page? JackkBrown (talk) 16:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I'll take a look! Thanks for pointing me to it. Remsense聊 16:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done Bazza (talk) 17:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: You've edited the article further to add more italics. You should use the {{lang}} template for foreign words: so in this case {{lang|zh|misua}} to give misua. Bazza (talk) 17:15, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Bazza 7, I would in principle, but since misua is not the rendering of a particular systematic transliteration of a Chinese lect, I tend to pause as to whether I should bother tagging/what with, but I would at minimum do {{transl|zh|misua}} so that it's tagged as a romanization and not as Chinese characters. Remsense聊 17:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense: That's fine as well, thanks. It imparts more information about the word than simple italics. Bazza (talk) 17:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

looking for a windows desktop bitcoin wallet software named 'instwallet' I last used on march 1, 2011

looking for a download link to a software i last used on march 1, 2011 named instawallet which is a bitcoin wallet. i last saw the software for resale on instacart on june 3, 2022 yet i cant seem to find it anywhere on the net today. nov 2023. please help with a download link or if you might refer me to someone who mnight be able to find the software available for download somewhere on the internet. thankyou Chadwick Muscovalley 72.28.229.1 (talk) 17:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. I found "instawallet" quite easily by doing a Google search. The Help Desk at Wikipedia is not really the correct place to ask this sort of question.... and you might like to read this before you go any further. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Question

Secure Connection Failed 45.125.5.2 (talk) 18:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

45.125.5.2, hello and Welcome to Wikipedia. This is not a general help desc, we only adress questions about using or editing Wikipedia here, try asking at WP:RDC. If you do though, you'll have to be more specific, as "secure connection failed", without even specifying where it occurred isnot answerable. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Ekpeye language (again)

Hello, I have an issue, it’s about the page Ekpeye language. There seems to be vandalism going on in the page by user Egwele. The user constantly deletes information on the page often without any concrete reasons. I have told the user to refrain from deleting information unnecessarily but the user threatened me the user also said I will be reported to the Nigerian authorities. From the looks of it, the user seems to have a problem with the fact that the Ekpeye people have any relations with Igbo people the user believes that the Igbo people have an expansionist agenda against ekpeye people an ethnic group which the user seems to belong to, so, as a result, the user goes through Wikipedia deleting information to anything connecting the two ethnic group the user has done this on pages such as Igboid languages, Ekpeye people, Ahoada but most importantly ekpeye language. I do not know how to proceed I have reverted the user's edits on Igboid languages and ekpeye language but I do not want it to be an edit war. Bernadine okoro (talk) 19:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Bernadine okoro, thank you for your patience. I see a couple of remarkably crass messages on User talk:Egwele, followed by a warning that OutsideNormality posted at 20:14, 5 November 2023 asking Egwele to lay off. Egwele hasn't made any edits since then. I shall look at Egwele's next edits with interest. -- Hoary (talk) 22:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much Bernadine okoro (talk) 22:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I reread the messages, whereupon I saw no reason to wait before blocking. Done. Again, thank you, Bernadine okoro, for your patience in this. -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

A small point: I have retitled this thread (previously "Ekpeye language"). Please don't start a thread that has the same title as an earlier thread. Doing so makes it harder to find the newer thread. -- Hoary (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Denominazione di origine controllata

How do you spell "Denominazione di origine controllata"? I have always written "Denominazione di origine controllata", with only a capital "D", as is indicated in the page. If the page is wrong (I have not edited), I have made mistakes on many pages... so to fix this problem I suggest you check all my edits (it would be a good idea if you checked all my modifications, because even if I self-check my modifications I might make mistakes, I am not God). Plaese, also check this page, as there is a lot of inconsistency; many terms are in uppercase letters, and others in lowercase (e.g. "Denomination of Controlled Origin" and "Denominação de Origem Controlada"). JackkBrown (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

If you're asking about the capitalization, generally French and Italian proper names are in sentence case, in my experience. Remsense聊 22:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, you have over 25,000 edits. Nobody is going to check all of your edits. That is not a reasonable request. Cullen328 (talk) 22:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: then it would be a case of giving me some automatic means (I have seen several) that would make me realise where certain words are present and where they are not, because it is a huge waste of time to read every word of every single article to check in which line of which paragraph a particular word goes in upper or lowercase. Good night. JackkBrown (talk) 22:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I mentioned the ability of the Wikipedia editor to use regular expressions to you earlier today. If you need further help, let me know, but this functionality does a lot of what you seem to be looking for. Remsense聊 22:15, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: Nearly all browsers and devices have a way to search a viewed page for a string and they usually have a way to choose whether the search should be case sensitive. If you don't know how to do it then you can name your browser or device and ask here or at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Help - How do I change the Photo in my Biography?!!!!!

The photograph used in the biography of me is a wedding photo of me which is not great as I am a professional! and I have a more professional photo taken by my husband I'd rather have represent me publicly!!! How do I exchange the photograph images please?

Thank you,

Barbara Bloemink Barbara Bloemink (talk) 23:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, Barbara Bloemink. If your husband took the photo you'd prefer, then he's the copyright holder. If he doesn't already have a Wikipedia user ID, then ask him to get one. While logged in with that ID, he should go to commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and follow the prompts to upload the photo, making a note of the (informative) file name. Once that file is available at Commons, it will be automatically available for Wikipedia. Edit the article accordingly. (Yes, your husband could transfer the copyright to you so that you could upload it, but this would be more fiddly. And yes, distinguishing between what's his copyright and what's yours probably seems utterly nitpicky, but we live in a litigious world.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Better advice, Barbara Bloemink: Don't make any further change to the article Barbara Bloemink. Instead, make edit requests (e.g. that the current photo should be replaced by a new photo that's already at Commons and is named such-and-such) at the foot of Talk:Barbara Bloemink. -- Hoary (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

quite correct - thank you for this. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)