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September 16

Sandbox

Hi. My article has been in the sandbox for a 10 days after being submitted. I'm wondering if there is something wrong with it or if this is standard? Thanks. Levi J. Burr (talk) 04:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@levi j. burr: please don't write about yourself. ltbdl (talk) 04:27, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

So the page stays in limbo. I'm starting a music business. This trite response seems unreasonable and discriminatory. Levi J. Burr (talk) 05:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

You can move it into draft space; however, after 6 months, it is eligible for deletion. If your article is not notable and you move it to article space, it might not survive deletion. Iterresise (talk) 05:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

This is about User:Levi J. Burr/sandbox. Levi J. Burr, there is nothing unreasonable and discriminatory about the situation. Your draft is entirely unreferenced and is therefore in violation of three critically important Wikipedia policies, namely Biographies of living persons and Verifiability and No original research. There is no way under the sun that an unreferenced draft will be accepted into this encyclopedia. Your draft completely fails to make the case that Burr (presumably you) meets the stringent Notability standard for musicians. You should also read about why writing an Autobiography is strongly discouraged. As for your comment I'm starting a music business, please be aware that nobody on Wikipedia cares about your new business venture, and that self-promotion on Wikipedia is forbidden by policy. I suggest that you spend your time improving your music and promoting yourself on the countless internet platforms that allow self-promotion. Cullen328 (talk) 06:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, you vandalized Jack Rose (guitarist) last month. That is not a good way to win friends and influence people. Cullen328 (talk) 06:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Please be civil. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

While I agree that the edit to Jack Rose (guitarist) could plausibly be better characterised as a "test edit" than as a "vandalism", there's nothing incivil about not bending over backwards with kindness to let down easy those editors who are here for entirely the wrong reasons and mistake Wikipedia as some sort of vehicle for self-promotion. Getting such people quickly out of the editing ecosystem and over to LinkedIn, Instagram, their own website, or whatever, is a desirable outcome both for them and for us. Folly Mox (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Question Regarding an Article

Hello,

I wanted to ask that there is an article on a private school in Mohali,India named Shivalik Public School which has no citations and nothing just blank uncited material and is neither a prominent school and also states some unbacked claims. Does it nominates for deletion and if yes, how can it be and if no, what should be done of it.

Regards
The Yamantakks (talk) 06:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The Yamantakks, in its current state, the article is terrible and shouldn't be in Wikipedia. (The same thing can of course be said about tens of thousands of articles in en:Wikipedia.) This is not a sufficient reason to call for its deletion. Imaginably, it's about a very notable school (as "notability" is defined by and for en:Wikipedia), and the article could and should be radically improved. Look for reliable sources that have substantial material about the school, and also read and digest deletion policy. If the article merits deletion, then carefully follow this recipe. (Be sure not to omit any stage.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Problem.

I have been falsely accused of COI , without any justification or facts, even though I have nothing to do with it. In addition, Efim Shabshai's article was deleted without any explanation or justification. Oschyrba (talk) 13:31, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The Efim Shabshai biography has been moved back to draft space, where it belongs as lacking proper sourcing, and from a brief look lack of evidence that the subject meets Wikipedia notability criteria. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:44, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Please tell me which source should be present?

The article contains many links to articles, which proves the author's reputation. Oschyrba (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

the draft is largely unsourced and what sources you have are useless for establishing any notability. Theroadislong (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Your explanation is unreasonable and unclear. In the text of the article there are references to books, works, works of the author, who has been known in his field for many years. Please give a specific recommendation as to what is wrong, why I received baseless COI charges, after which my work was removed. I note that there have been no comments on the article for more than a month. Thank you. Oschyrba (talk) 15:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

You have been provided with links to relevant Wikipedia policies. Read them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I have read everything carefully, and I do not understand why the sources given in the article are unreliable or bad or incorrect. Please tell me what's wrong instead of sending me the link. Point out specific mistakes, give specific recommendations. During the month, there were no comments on the article - only some photos were deleted. Therefore, I will ask you to explain with specific facts what is wrong now. If you help contributors, please help, don't run away from answers. Oschyrba (talk) 15:30, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I you had "read everything carefully", you wouldn't be using "works of the author" as an argument for notability. We need significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Citations of material about the subject, not written by him. Find it. And then write a biography that can be verified by reading those sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:35, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you have the right to judge the media linked in the article as reliable or unreliable. This is your subjective point of view. But if so, give me an example (list) of sources that you think are reliable and can be trusted. Oschyrba (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

You may find such a list at this link. 331dot (talk) 15:44, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:RSP is by no means an exhaustive list of reliable sources. Oschyrba needs to read Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which explains identifying such sources in detail. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Oschyrba: It is your subjective view that your sources are "reliable". Wikipedia operates by consensus. If two editors disagree, then they are supposed to discuss the disagreement in a collegial fashion, generally on the talk page of the relevant article. You are disagreeing with multiple experienced volunteer editors, none of whom have any motivation to continue to help you if you continue to use belligerent language. I recommend that you restart your discussion, on the talk page, starting with the assumption that others are actually trying to help you. -Arch dude (talk) 16:25, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

You have four references in the article. Regardless of whether they are reliable or not, they are all footnotes on the Bibliography section. The whole bulk of the article, the part that actually says something about the subject, has ZERO references. TheRoadIsLong has helpfully added tags to each unreferenced section (that is, all of them), pointing out that it is unreferenced, although it's not clear to me why you can't see for yourself that there are no references in most of the article. You need a reference that supports everything you say in the article. CodeTalker (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

And as for the bibliography, I was surprised to see from the draft that all of Iefym Shabshai's books have English titles. An ISBN is helpfully provided for each, so I clicked through two of these in order to find what Worldcat had to say about them. It said nothing: no title in English, Hebrew, Ukrainian, Russian, or any other language. It's not obvious that libraries are much interested. -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 16 September 2023 (UTC)