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August 16

Who can add an important consensus information to an article?

So we have the consensus[1] about the important information from the academic source (Academic Studies Press). I cannot add it because I will be immediately banned. (Personal attack removed) (Personal attack removed) So who can do it? Пинча (talk) 01:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

There is no consensus for any specific edit. The only "proposed text" was reasonably objected on plagiarism grounds, so it will require further discussion and rewriting before it can be considered. I removed two personal attacks from the above comment, but am leaving this overall for now as part of an ongoing ANI discussion. DMacks (talk) 02:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The conversation on the talk page does not read like any consensus has been reached, if anything it starts to get personal. I recommend you go through a dispute resolution with the other party first, use WP:DRN or at least WP:RFC. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• OP is now indefinitely blocked. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Problem with Mount Everst article

I tried to edit a smaller section of Timeline of Mount Everest expeditions, but somehow ended up replacing the whole article with the small section. It will not let me undo as the previous version contains blacklisted sources. Can someone help me? - Nidator ^{T / C} 06:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I've undone this slip and removed the offending link for now. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Garland Case

I don’t see any information on the Garland Case in District Court of Columbia Case 1:24 cv 00479 RC with other defenders Justice John Roberts Jr; Secretary General of a United Nations and ICJ

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/52408377/CLEMENT_v_GARLAND 2601:C6:D701:8A0F:55FE:5BB3:19D9:4979 (talk) 07:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Across the planet many thousands of court cases happen daily. Only extremely rarely does even one of them warrant a mention in Wikipedia. You would need to establish (or at least demonstrate) notability for it. Feline Hymnic (talk) 07:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Gamessport

The template includes the pictogram of a sport, but always the current one. Up until the Paris 2024 Summer Olympics, the Modern Pentathlon included Equestrian. It has since been replaced by an Obstacle Race instead. Therefore the current pictogram shows the "Obstacle Race", but for the past the Equestrian should be shown. In my point of view there must be two templates:Gamessport for Modern Pentathlon, but how can this be done? Can you help me in regard of this problem? Citius Altius Fortius (talk) 12:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I suspect the best solution is to parametrise the template so that the current one is the default, but the historic one can be selected. How best to do it will depend on whether this is a rare instance of a change, or whether it has happened a number of times. ColinFine (talk) 13:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Citius Altius Fortius: I have coded {{GamesSport}} to detect a year in the page name and use it to decide the pictogram.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

wow - mange tak for hjælpen @PrimeHunter:! I would love to understand how you have done it! Citius Altius Fortius (talk) 10:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Citius Altius Fortius: If you have never coded templates then I don't think this would be a good introduction. The diff [3] is short but involves several things at mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions. To avoid further complications I had to create a file redirect at commons:File:Modern pentathlon (pre-2025) pictogram.svg. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Watch List

Can I organize my watch list into categories. For example music, politics, and other categories. This would help in viewing the watch list content. Mwhessel (talk) 14:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as far as I am aware that is not possible. Perhaps others have tips or workarounds to accomplish what you are seeking. 331dot (talk) 14:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Mwhessel, you could do the following:

• Create pages such as User:Mwhessel/politics;
• From those pages, link to articles you'd like to put on your watchlist;
• Use the "Related changes" function on that page, which will give you a watchlist of the articles you linked to.

Please note that while your normal watchlist is private, these pseudo-watchlists will be publicly visible and editable. See Help:Public watchlist for more information. Rummskartoffel 16:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

User:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists might be of use (but like Rummskartoffel's idea it also makes your lists public). DMacks (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Is editing relating to/referencing open-source projects you've contributed to a COI?

On many articles about notable typefaces, digital versions of those fonts are discussed, including free and open-source versions, e.g., Palatino#Free and open-source versions and derivatives. I happen to have done work to maintain or contribute to a number of font packages (most of which are free and open-source fonts included in TeX Live), including MFB Oldstyle, Domitian, STEP (and XITS), ETbb, etc.. Is it acceptable for me to edit sections of pages about typefaces where I have worked on one of the available versions?

If it's relevant, I have no financial interest in any font package in TeX Live; all my contributions there have been purely voluntary. My intention isn't to promote any digital version I'm connected with over any other version of the typeface — just to provide or update information about digital versions in general. For example, I could add information about the various digital versions of Century Oldstyle, including commercial versions, as well as a free and open-source version included in TeX Live (which I worked on).

More generally, if you are one of the maintainers of or contributors to an open-source project, is it a COI to edit anything related to that project? (And, if so, is there a certain limit above or below which it is or isn't OK? For example, if you made a minor contribution vs. a major contribution to a codebase, or so on...).

If it's a COI, I can make an edit request, but I don't want to cause undue burden on those dealing with the backlog there.

D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 18:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@D. Benjamin Miller You are obviously happy to be upfront about any potential COI and it does no harm to place on your userpage similar information to that you have just put here. WP:SELFCITE (part of WP:COI) says that it is acceptable even to cite your own work, provided it is "within reason" in the context of the rest of the article. I assume you will mainly be citing other sources, so if I were you I would be WP:BOLD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)