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I can't search wiki.

2601:601:A400:AB90:AC57:F03B:4E9E:FA17 (talk) 04:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP address. Could you be more specific? Is there a particular article that you are trying to find? 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Try Special:Search.Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Maybe you have to click a magnifying glass icon to get a search box. Please be more specific about the problem if this doesn't help. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to create a wiki page for an inventor

I want to create a wiki page for an inventor Marawers (talk) 05:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

David E. Flinchbaugh, perhaps? A few minutes ago I deleted Draft:Dr. David E. Flinchbaugh. It showed an extraordinary lack of awareness of what an encyclopedia is; it was even written in the first person singular. I know of no encyclopedia that contains such material. The first thing you should do, if you eventually want to create an article here about somebody, is to acquaint yourself with Wikipedia. Read a few articles. Think about them. Then contribute to existing articles. Then start to think about creating a new article. -- Hoary (talk) 06:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you for the advice. I assure you this is 100% legitimate, maybe we wait for you. When I said he is a modern day Thomas Edison I wasn't lying. Marawers (talk) 06:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:COI, WP:BOSS and WP:PROUD. It is very rare (in fact almost unheard of) for a Wikipedia article to be created simply because somebody wanted to have one. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

This isn't an existing article. We created it tonight. Marawers (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

It never got further than the draft stage, and nor is it likely to unless the subject meets the general notability guideline. Also, the rather extravagant tone of the proposed article suggests that somebody may have a conflict of interest here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate your advice. I will try and improve our article before we submit again. I am new to this, so thank you for your patience abd your guidelines, it’s great advice! 71.215.2.68 (talk) 06:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Marawers. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Marawers, you write "We created it tonight", etc. Why "we" and not "I"? -- Hoary (talk) 08:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Marawers, your draft was pretty much the exact opposite of what an acceptable encyclopedia article needs to look like. Did you do any reading about our policies and guidelines before wasting your time writing this poor quality content? If not, why not? Cullen328 (talk) 08:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Fix an archive

Talk:Zoe McLellan has been archived in a weird way, see July 2024 edits:[1]. Can someone who is good at archiving fix this, please? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

This is my first time achieving a talk page manually, but I believe I fixed it. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 08:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

That simple, huh? I'll try to remember that. Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

It was all thanks to this script: User:Elli/OneClickArchiver. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Posting Someone's Private Information

I noticed that user CoachBriceWilliams28 has posted another user's private information on a talk page. "Although I haven't ever edited this article, I have a theory that all these ANON posts above are still this [perma-banned] user. I couldn't help but notice all [ 1 , 2 , 3, & 4 ] users were in the same region. Either this user is who I suspect, OR they have a similar trolling motif unhelpful to the page. Perhaps an admin can run a CheckUser and look for a match between the 2 to see if this COI page has a confounding variable. Coachbricewilliams28 (talk) 18:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)" Is this allowed? It was on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:International_Churches_of_Christ#COI_editing 2600:1700:4260:35D0:29CD:9764:81A0:2718 (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

If somebody edits Wikipedia without logging in, then their IP number is displayed. This is thus public information. WHOIS says which IP number belongs to which ISP, and perhaps also where the particular editor is located. This too is public information. The mistake within what you quote is Coachbricewilliams28's seeming belief that mere admins can run CheckUser. In reality, only a very small percentage of admins can do so (and they need a clear reason for doing so): see Wikipedia:CheckUser. The other mistake is, on seeing what one believes to be the divulging of private information, to write about the matter on a page such as this and thereby draw more attention to it. Instead, delete it and apply for "oversight". -- Hoary (talk) 08:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any personal information being posted. The linked IPs are all WP:SPAs on this subject and user:Coachbricewilliams28 suspects they are socks of an editor blocked for edits in this area. Note that all of these IPs, including the OP, were covered by a previous 6 month range block by user:Bbb23 on 2600:1700:4260:35D0:0:0:0:0/64 for socking by the user in question. (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Qewr4231. Meters (talk) 08:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Reported to WP:SPI. Meters (talk) 08:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

user:2600:1700:4260:35d0::/64 has been blocked again, for one year this time. Meters (talk) 20:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thumbnails not created

Dear Wikipedia,

I recently edited this article: David Snoke

However, the thumbnail of this file doesn't show: File:Sciadv.adk6960-f2.jpg

Could you please help me with this issue?

Thank you very much! Van.truongson (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Van.truongson When I click to the Commons link at commons:File:Sciadv.adk6960-f2.jpg, I would expect to see the drawing. Instead, I see a link to the image, which I have to click to reach the actual drawing. I'm not sure what you uploaded but you need to overwrite the file with the .jpg from your computer. Don't attempt to upload a "thumbnail": that bit gets done after the file is on Commons (See Help:Pictures). Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

... incidentally, I don't see why this detailed account of some physics theory should be included in a biography. Wouldn't it be better in a separate article about the theory, or about polaritons? Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Van.truongson: For some reason MediaWiki is unable to resize File:Sciadv.adk6960-f2.jpg. This sometimes happens if a file doesn't follow an image standard closely enough or there is a limitation or bug in MediaWiki. The original upload Media:Sciadv.adk6960-f2.jpg is not touched by MediaWiki but just served to the user's browser. It displays in Firefox for me but MediaWiki always makes a new version of an image when it's displayed at another size. Try uploading another version of the image, or maybe a version made with another program which can read your version and save its own version of it. Another thing, try to give meaningful names to uploaded images. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

VIDEO ON EDITING WIKIPEDIA

Is there any video I can watch to master editing on Wikipedia? Utibe Noah Silas (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

There are a few instructional videos on specific topics, but I don't know if there's any one video that you could watch to bring you up to mastery. Maybe you could start with watching Become a Wikipedian in 30 minutes. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, that's Molly White (writer)! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

dispute

Can a third party please review the page and edit history of Turntablist transcription methodology ? Citations and fact-based information are repeatedly being removed and restored. Please review and adjust the content in accordance with Wikipedia standards. Thank you. WikiSkratch2000 (talk) 13:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The article is a mess. It's edit history seems to consist largely of adding and removing badly-sourced and contradictory claims as to who invented the 'methodology', while the article itself almost entirely fails to explain what the 'methodology' actually entails. If the subject meets Wikipedia notability requirements at all (which might well be questioned), it might best be dealt with by finding someone less motivated to promote one 'inventor' or another to write it again from scratch, as something actually useful to a curious reader rather than as a venue for promotion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Andy. This makes total sense, more data about the system is needed.

A version of the article with no mention of the word "inventor" (as I've posted) seems like fair option, as this appears to the main revision and is a subjective point.

Is there way to stop the tug of war, and find a Wikipedia moderator to reinforce wikipedia standards? WikiSkratch2000 (talk) 18:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

rephrasing Help Desk question (see 8/18/24) WikiSkratch2000 (talk) 14:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

IPA

Grateful for a steer on rendering an English name in IPA before going to FAC. The person is Irene Vanbrugh, whose name is pronounced as close as I can get to Eye-ree-nee Vanbrr. I have put an ogg file on her page, but a proper IPA pronunciation would be a most welcome addition. Tim riley talk 17:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tim riley: I don't know how to construct the IPA in the first place, but after you have a candidate, you can check it using an IPA reader. There appear to be several on the Internet. One of them is IPA reader. -Arch dude (talk) 19:41, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

/aɪˈɹini ˈvænbɹə/ -- Hoary (talk) 21:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tim riley: /aɪˈrini ˈvænbrə/ if you want the interactive version via {{IPAc-en}}: {{IPAc-en|aɪ|ˈ|ɹ|i|n|i|_|ˈ|v|æ|n|b|ɹ|ə}} Bazza 7 (talk) 09:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

User:Bazza_7, I am enormously in your debt. Thank you so much! Tim riley talk 10:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tim riley: @Hoary deserves some of your praise for saving me from having to work out the IPA in the first place. Nice team effort all round. Bazza 7 (talk) 13:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

My warmest thanks to both. Tim riley talk 15:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Me or i

فين فين ممكن اجابه من فضلكم 196.132.46.145 (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm going off the question subject. Try the article I_(pronoun). If that doesn't help, please clarify your question and post in English. RudolfRed (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

"Me" is accusative and "I" is nominative. -- Hoary (talk) 21:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, "me" is accusative, and arguably also dative--and used in genitive situations, to cover the four cases in modern German. I prefer to say that "I" is subjective and "me" is objective. The situations where (alleged) English speakers typically get it wrong are the ones where there are two pronouns together. So people say "to you and I" or (as David Garroway did in the first two minutes of the first Today Show) "between you and I," and some argue that that's the correct way.

I've often suggested to people that if there are two pronouns and you want to figure out whether to use "I" or "me," take out the other pronoun and see which you would use--then, that's the correct one with the other pronoun. You wouldn't say, "Show it to I," so you don't say "Show it to him and I" (or "to he and I"). There's a problem, then, with "between you and I/me," because you would never be saying "between me" or "between I" in the first place. Just remember, then, that the "hypercorrect"--what some would consider more formal--"between you and I" is a grammatical abomination that instantly--and accurately--labels one as trying to sound more literate than one really is. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK: The "between you and..." case can be handled in a similar way, again by recognising the plural: "between us" or "between we". Feline Hymnic (talk) 13:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

How to Save Articles but NOT download them to iOS devices

How to Save Articles but NOT download them to iOS devices

I can't find how to save articles to my account but NOT download them to my iOS devices. Sukkha (talk) 22:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "save articles to my account"; do you mean add them to your watchlist? 331dot (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm guessingthat you're talking about the "saved articles" feature which is available on IOS and Android apps, but not on the web interface. See if m:Wikimedia Apps/iOS FAQ answers your question. ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)