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Cite web error because URL contains spaces

Reference number 4 in Michael Horowitz (endocrinologist) (ref name="AO Media note") is reporting an error, and I can't see how to fix it. The error message says "Check |url= value". Clicking on the Help link, the problem seems to be that the URL contains blanks. But the actual URL does contain those blanks - when I paste that URL into a browser it works perfectly. So can any kind person let me know how I can fix the Ref to remove this error? Gronk Oz (talk) 01:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: Try replacing the each of the spaces with %20 RudolfRed (talk) 01:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

See Percent-encoding RudolfRed (talk) 01:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I pasted the URL into a browser and then copying back into Wikipedia, which had the effect of replacing spaces with "%20". TSventon (talk) 01:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done @RudolfRed:@TSventon: Thank you! I wish the Help for Cite Web had this simple work-around.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I am seeing inaccurate information.

I am seeing inaccurate information. PamelaHarrLud (talk) 07:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@PamelaHarrLud: In order for anybody to help you, I think we will need more information. Which particular article, what is inaccurate, and ideally can you provide a reputable source with the correct information? Gronk Oz (talk) 07:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I am no longer married to Sean Ludwick. That is the first thing. I am referred to as Spouse.

Second, my sons are not relevant in this and I do not know why they are mentioned and they were NOT 11 and 13 at time of the accident. They were 8 and 11.

There is hearsay in this entry and not fact, additionally.

Who created this entry ? PamelaHarrLud (talk) 21:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Does this have to do with Sean Ludwick? 331dot (talk) 08:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, this is the internet... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@PamelaHarrLud: Please see Our FAQ for people mentioned on Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Did you post this Wikipedia entry ? There is inaccurate information here. PamelaHarrLud (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@PamelaHarrLud: No, I simply replied to your query here by providing you with a link to a page of useful advice. Please assume good faith in all your dealings with Wikipedia volunteers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@PamelaHarrLud: No, Pigsonthewing has never edited the article Sean Ludwick. You can check this for yourself by viewing Special:History/Sean Ludwick. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)::It still says "he is married to Pamela Harrison Ludwick...."

Why did you create this Wikipedia posting in the first place ? PamelaHarrLud (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

At the time you wrote your comment the article said that "he married" ... this is a fact, apparently conceded by yourself. The article was presumably written because the article subject has become notable because of his various actions. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

It currently says:

Spouse Pamela Harrison Ludwick

Why are his sons relevant to wikipedia entry ?

Who was the first person to write this entry about Sean Ludwick ? PamelaHarrLud (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I personally removed the 'spouse' thing, so I know it's not currently there. The ages of 11 and 13 are apparently related to Paul Hansen's children, and this seems clear in context. Family, at least in terms of numeration, is probably a relevant matter. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I do see that many sources are Daily mail. Is that source considered a news source ?

Is there a way to understand who initially posted this entry ? PamelaHarrLud (talk) 23:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

As you've seen, the article was started by an IP address, and they appear to be in NYC, New York. I don't have any more information than what you can see, but I can point out that every edit made by Special:Contributions/2603:7000:2101:AA00::/64 is probably the same user. In my personal experience, given the quantity of edits, if you're looking for some personal knowledge or connection, I'd think it's probably unlikely. HTH. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, thank you again. PamelaHarrLud (talk) 00:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Logs

On my commons.js I have a couple of scripts that add links, one I can go directly to a user's deleted contributions (without going through contributions) and another so I can go directly to edit mode of my main sandbox. Is there an equivalent that will give a direct link to my logs (without going through contributions)? Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: User:PrimeHunter/My logs.js. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:, great, many thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

First time editing - help needed

So basically I'm going to China soon. I'm Vietnamese. We fly in an airline called Lucky Air, a "budget" airline based in China. We will fly to Lijiang from Cat Bi International Airport, located in Haiphong. I checked the destinations and there wasn't Haiphong in the Vietnamese section. Added it but it shows the country is Haiphong. I wanted to add Haiphong into the Vietnamese group but based on my name, I have never edited anything (well, did change one letter from non-capital to capital in a future Singapore metro station since I used to be obssesed with it) so I need help. I'm kinda sure some veterans will laugh but hey, this is a first time editer. The page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Air Idonteditjustwatching (talk) 13:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

This would need a citation from a reliable source. That said, many of the destinations at Lucky Air are already uncited. It may be possible to cite them from timetables, but these are primary sources.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

videos

On the home page after I've told you what I'm searching for, all I see is videos for that search. You are aware that the tabs at the top of the page include "videos". So why are they there? My most frequent searches are for album jackets for logging my cassette tapes. Sometimes, I don't know which album i need, so I use the song and artist for my search. When I do that, I have seen the song and click on it to get the album. But, ,ore often than not, THERE IS NO LISTING OF THE SONG that is not followed by "You Tube". If i want the videos, I'll click the video tab. If I don't click it, don't send video information. 24.152.228.155 (talk) 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you searching in Wikipedia? Wikipedia normally searches for articles, not visual media.

If you are not searching in Wikipedia, we can't help you here, because this is the Help Desk for Wikipedia only. ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

How to get two templates next to each other in info boxes, and not on top

I am seting up a wiki page on Miraheze (Just fictional), where I am using a template within a template: [1]https://dicemanager.miraheze.org/wiki/Purafoin_Warriors My problem is that the match kits (at the bottom of the infobox) are on top on each other and not next to each other. How can I fix this? Magnern (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Magnern: This is a help desk for Wikipedia. We are not affiliated with Miraheze but I took a look. You can place them in a table like this:

<table>
<tr><td>{{Football kit
 | pattern_la = _red_stripes
 | pattern_b = _redstripes2
 | pattern_ra = _red_stripes
 | pattern_sh = 
 | pattern_so = 
 | leftarm = 
 | body = 
 | rightarm = 
 | shorts = 0000E8
 | socks = FF0000
 | title = Home colours
}}</td>
<td>{{Football kit
 | pattern_la = _blue_stripes
 | pattern_b = _bluestripes
 | pattern_ra = _blue_stripes
 | pattern_sh = 
 | pattern_so = 
 | leftarm = 
 | body = 
 | rightarm =
 | shorts = 
 | socks = 0000E8
 | title = Away colours
}}</td></tr>
</table>

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It doesn't use wiki syntax for the table because it would conflict with the template syntax. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Tables should not be used for layout. See MOS:LTAB. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

It's about an unaffiliated wiki so our manual of style doesn't apply but anyway, {{Infobox football club}} uses the same method and it could be debated whether it is tabular content. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

draft article

I drafted a COI page for "Christopher ("Kit") Lukas the other day. I want to add to it but can't find it. Where is it hidden? thank you. Sakultik (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "COI draft". The subject already has an article(unless you are writing about a different individual with the same name). Do you mean your draft about his deceased wife Draft:Susan Lukas? I don't see any drafts about Christopher. If you want to propose COI edits to the Christopher Lukas article, you may use its talk page. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. What happened was that I thought I had to start a new COI draft under AFC. I called it "Christopher ("Kit") Lukas to differentiate it from the original (Christopher Lukas) page. I added about ten references. Is it possible I now have to back and add those to the original page, or does the "Kit" page exist somewhere. Sakultik (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

There's something going on on your userpage which should really be in Draft: namespace. Is that what you mean? I'm happy to move the page for you. Cremastra (talk) 19:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, please! Sakultik (talk) 19:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay. I'm going to move your userpage to Draft:Christopher "Kit" Lukas, then re-add your COI box. Cremastra (talk) 19:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I assume I Sakultik (talk) 21:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sakultik My advice would be to approach this in a different way. You are going to get in a mess by having both the "live" article at Christopher Lukas and your overlapping draft at Draft:Christopher "Kit" Lukas. In view of your COI, the recommended way to update the live article is by making edit requests on its Talk Page. Making these in smallish increments (text plus properly cited sources) should be your aim. Uninvolved editors will then review each suggestion and incorporate it or say why it isn't appropriate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I would much rather have you delete the original and let me put up the much more accurate one for editors to look at, knowing that I have ten additional references. Is it possible to delete to original and leave a draft "Kit" one?

Thanks Sakultik (talk) 21:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Your draft is currently unfit to be an article. The references are insufficient (what is "LUKAS (hsp.org)" or "(Doubleday) 2008 (ISBN 978-0-385-52520-6)"? URLs are needed); the formatting is partially broken, and there are <ref> errors. Those are the things that leap to the eye; there may be more. Cremastra (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sakultik: Since your draft was based on the existing article, deleting that article without deleting your draft would be a violation of the CC BY-SA license that its editors released their contributions under. See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia § Reusing deleted material. Beyond the legal requirement for attribution, I think it goes against Wikipedia etiquette. If you want to improve an article, making use of the work done by previous editors, then you shouldn't try to erase the records of that work. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Della Reese's filmography

Della Reese appeared briefly in the black and white movie called Let's Rock (1958). She sang a song called "Lonely Ville". PeterBurgessGriggs (talk) 22:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

We'd need a reliable source for that. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

This Chicago Sun Times article verifies her role in that film and videos of her performing a song in the movie are available on YouTube. Cullen328 (talk) 01:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Delegated legislation (United Kingdom); mass AFD

On the Law of the United Kingdom page, there is a page containing a sidebox referring to lists of delegated legislation

• United Kingdom statutory instruments
• Scottish statutory instruments
• Welsh statutory instruments
• Statutory rules of Northern Ireland

Many of these articles don't serve any purpose. They aren't informative and they strictly refer to primary sources.

I would like to propose a mass deletion of these articles.

What information do I need to give to suggest this?

Additionally, I would like to suggest that Statutory rules of Northern Ireland be exempted from this for all years between 1974 and 1998 [inclusive], because they were doing the job of primary legislation in this period.

I would also say that I am only suggesting that ***list*** pages would be included in this grouping of articles to be removed. To that end, these pages would be excluded.

• Statutory instrument (UK)
• Statutory rules and orders
• Ministerial order
• Scottish statutory instruments
• Statutory rules of Northern Ireland

I am not suggesting the deletion of articles about the concept of secondary legislation, only these lists.

I am also not sure if these pages should be included

• List of statutory rules and orders of Northern Ireland
• List of statutory rules and orders of the United Kingdom
• List of regulatory reform orders
• List of Church of England instruments

because they're only one page each DotCoder (talk) 22:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, your first stop should probably be Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. Mass deletion nominations often don't go as planned, so see also WP:TRAINWRECK. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but is there a specific process for a mass-request? DotCoder (talk) 01:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:BUNDLE has guidance. I echo JSS's general advice about mass nominations, but on a first glance at a sample I have to agree there's a strong case for deletion. – Teratix ₵ 02:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)