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Immediate delete request

Hi

I was done some mistake when i created profile..it waa wrongly editted wirh other profile.. how to solve thar Shiyas P Ummer (talk) 01:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

If you are talking about the page User:Shiyas P Ummer, you may have it deleted (almost) immediately by adding {{db-g7}} somewhere on the page, and saving (Publishing) the page. Mathglot (talk) 03:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Add missing ping. Mathglot (talk) 03:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I went ahead and deleted it. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 03:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks i am sorry for my mistake ..understanding better and more Shiyas P Ummer (talk) 03:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Just Step Sideways, it's still there. Mathglot (talk) 04:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Mathglot, SPU recreated it after the deletion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I was wondering about that... I thought that leaves a trace, in a several lines-high pink-bg banner, but I didn't see that, nor did I see anything in the edit history. Doesn't a delete leave some sort of trace?

User:Shiyas P Ummer, was the wrong page deleted, is that why you recreated your user page with the same content? Mathglot (talk) 04:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You want me to delete? Shiyas P Ummer (talk) 04:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You seem to misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia. This isn't a platform for self-promotion. Not in article space. Not on your user page. Not anywhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, that was some odd behavior. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 15:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Donate without filling out information. Users want to donate with total anonymity

Suggestion to have an option as a payment mode for donations anonymously. 2405:201:D001:299C:5533:D0C2:8975:3E4D (talk) 04:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Two things for you to consider, IP editor. First, the volunteer editors on the English Wikipedia have nothing to do with the paid fundraising staffers at the Wikimedia Foundation. We have literally nothing to do with them except that we sometimes argue with them about what many editors believe to be their deceptive fundraising tactics. As for anonymous donations, you could put a US $20.00 bill in an envelope and mail it to their San Francisco address, but how would you know that some mail room clerk would not put it in their pocket and buy a cheap bottle of whiskey with it after work that day? As for cryptocurrency, it is a gigantic house of cards resembling a Ponzi sceme. Making your donation through established online channels gives you a reasonable assurance that your donation of actual genuine currency as opposed to something imaginary and rife with fraud will be allocated properly. Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

"We have literally nothing to do with them except that we sometimes argue with them about what many editors believe to be their deceptive fundraising tactics. " Speak for yourself. Some of us discuss things with them cordially and positively, and appreciate what they do. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Ironically, if you wish to remain anonymous here you should have created an account rather than reveal the name of your company through your IP address. Before you go any further I suggst you study Internet privacy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

See https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give. You can mail a money order as a donation. My understanding is you can purchase these for cash at the post office or other places anonymously. Traveller's cheque may be another option, but you need to sign those, so not completely anonymous depending on how legible your signature is. RudolfRed (talk) 15:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Tom Taylor (Yorkshire cricketer)

i have tried to add a commons file (old house photo) at the end of this article (2nd last paragrah). I got it all wrong . Please fix if you can. thanks 175.38.37.197 (talk) 05:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Done:[1] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

templatedata not showing up

i have added templatedata to Template:Infobox card game. why isn't it showing up when editing, say, whist? ltbdl☃ (talk) 08:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but I'm not seeing any edit by you to Template:Infobox card game either in its history or in your contributions. ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

templatedata is contained in the documentation. ltbdl☃ (talk) 10:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think changing the documentation makes any difference to the template itself. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

it does. see e.g. {{infobox person}}. ltbdl☃ (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

"Lua error: too many expensive function calls." in references

Hello, I'm currently in the process of replacing the unusual links to the German Wikipedia in the article List of Gothic brick buildings in Germany by interlanguage links using the Template:Interlanguage link (you had to click on "(DE)" in this article). I've already done a good half of the work. However, I've now noticed a lot of "Lua error: too many expensive function calls." in the references section of this article. What happened here? It seems the first occurrence of these errors started with this modification, which seems completely valid to me. Cyfal (talk) 08:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cyfal: The page is in Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. A page is only allowed 500 expensive function calls. Each {{ill}} makes an ifexist check for an English article and ifexist is one of the expensive functions. There are 510 {{ill}} on the page. It has to be reduced. There is no way to bypass the limit. There might also be other expensive functions on the page. "Parser profiling data" at the bottom of a preview window shows the total number but may stop counting if 500 is passed. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, PrimeHunter, especially for the deeper explanation of what the {{ill}} does. So I will have to remove my neatly interlanguage links again... Well, then there's nothing I can do to avoid this. --Cyfal (talk) 11:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

you could split the page. it's already really long. ltbdl☃ (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You are right, but I think for a list it's ok - and I also want to keep the scheme of the German counterpart and of List of Gothic brick buildings in Poland and List of Gothic brick buildings in the Netherlands. --Cyfal (talk) 21:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Cyfal, for interlanguage links, you don't have to use {{ill}}. You can link the de.wp articles using regular interwiki links like [[:de:Article title]]. Folly Mox (talk) 21:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

For clarity, this should vastly reduce the parser overhead, since interwiki links are not checked for existence. Folly Mox (talk) 21:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes I know, I'm already in the process of reinstating such links again in in the List of Gothic brick buildings in Germany. --Cyfal (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

That technically works, but it can be problematic because many who do that tend to WP:PIPE such links as [[:de:Article title|Article title]] which makes it seem as if an English Wikipedia about the link target exists when it doesn't. It also sends readers to a non-English Wikipedia article when they're most likely not expecting it. For such reasons, using {{ill}} seems to be encouraged as best practice per H:FOREIGNLINK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

{{ill}} is problematic in its own ways too: display of non-ASCII glyphs in URLs displayed on hover or long press is browser-dependent, so for languages that don't use the Latin alphabet, readers on some browsers are forced to navigate off the website to the sister project just to retrieve the native name of the linked article.

Piping raw interwiki links is almost always an easter egg (unless super obviously not an English term) and hence not best practice, but for articles in non-Latin scripts the information behind them is much more accessible. Folly Mox (talk) 07:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cyfal: Perhaps instead of piping "DE", it would be better to pipe "German Wikipedia article" since that seems easier for readers to understand. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cyfal: I examined the documentation and Template:Interlanguage link#Forcing links could be used for some or all of the links. This would avoid the expensive ifexist check by always linking both an English and German page whether or not the English page exists. Other parts of the page only have 6 expensive function calls. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I will then use this parameter, that will both then avoid the usage of "DE" or "German Wikipedia article" and save me a lot of work! --Cyfal (talk) 06:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Naming conventions for churches

Somewhere I am sure I have seen policy/guidance/naming convention proposals on the preferred way to title articles about churches. My memory tells me that the format, St X's Church, Borchester is preferred to Church of St X, Borchester. But I cannot remember where I have seen this. It is also possible I've asked this question previously, in which case apologies. Either way, if anyone could point me in the direction of the relevant documentation, I should be very grateful. KJP1 (talk) 08:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Forget this. A search of the archive, which I should have done first, shows that I asked the question in 2019,[2] and there isn't a convention/policy. KJP1 (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KJP1. I am unaware of any such church specific naming convention. As I see it, the relevant guideline is WP:COMMONNAME. So, take a look at the full range of reliable sources discussing the church and use what most reliable sources use. In your example, I venture to guess that the sources will not use "Borchester" in the way you did, because the reader of the source will detect that in context, if, perhaps, the source is the "Borchester Gazette" if such a publication exists. So, use the name most commonly used by reliable independent sources, and add a disambiguating parenthetical only as needed to distinguish this particular church from other churches with very similar names. Cullen328 (talk) 09:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

As an example, I am the original author of Holy Virgin Cathedral, not because I am Russian Orthodox but because I am interested in the architecture of San Francisco. I did not need to add "San Francisco" to the title, because there are no other Wikipedia articles about any other "Holy Virgin Cathedrals". Cullen328 (talk) 09:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328 - Many thanks for getting back, and for the advice which is most helpful. The problem with English/Welsh churches is that so many do have the same names. The number of St Mary's Church, Xplace runs into the hundreds. Then, when you look at the sources, and our articles, you can find; St Mary's Church, Church of St Mary, Parish Church of St Mary, Priory Church of St Mary, Cathedral Church of St Mary, Church of St Mary & St Michael, Church of St Mary and All Saints... and on and on. But I think your advice holds good most of the time: what's the common/most commonly used name, and is a disambiguater required? KJP1 (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Converting music score png to Lilypond

I'd be most grateful for help in converting this file into Lilypond for use in the article Much Binding in the Marsh, to replace the png file, which we are advised should be succeeded by a score file.

Tim riley talk 14:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Tim riley: I think this mostly works:

I'm not sure why the stem of the final g half-note insists on going down; I'll try to fix that, but hopefully this will work as a rough stand-in for now. Cremastra (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

It will certainly do me! Thank you so much. I am full of admiration for your skill. Tim riley talk 15:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Fixed the stem issue; I'll update the article. Cremastra (talk) 15:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

How can I add a official photo of Debashish Bhattacharya

Addition of the photo in the Wikipedia profile. Chaturangui (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Chaturangui.

First question: are you connected with Bhattacharya? If you are, you should be aware of Wikipedia's advice on editing with a conflict of interest. If, further, you are in any way employed or remunerated in connection with Bhattacharya, then Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor, and you must make the formal declaration explained in that link.

As to the image: it depends on the copyright status of the image you want to add. If the copyright owner (who is usually the photographer, not the subject) has explicitly released the image under a suitable copyleft license such as CC-BY-SA, then you (or anyone) may upload the image to Wikimedia Commons and add it to an article. If they haven't, and they won't release it, it may not be possible. Please see Help:Upload. ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Page refreshing

Hey there! I want to ask, that there are some of refreshed infromations on my wiki page, but there is written that somebody has to admit to be seenable if anybody are searching for my name. Can tell me what’s the problame whit it? Moncsessz (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

hu:Horváth Mónika. Moncsessz (talk) 14:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

This is the help desk for the English-language Wikipedia. If you want help with the Hungarian-language one, you need to ask over there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you link it? Because i did not found it! Moncsessz (talk) 15:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You could try here. hu:Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek) There doesn't seem to be a help desk, but this looks to be something similar, at least from what Google translate makes of it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Resistance from correcting a fact and publish

Sir, This is with reference to the Akhil Bhartiya Jansangh Wikipedia page. I read a book about the founder Syama Prasad Mookherjee and got curious to look into the wikipedia and found out few corrections. I am not claiming anything privately, it's the fact which is published wrong and as a community it's my duty to request a correction. Please suggest a way forward considering all the guidelines are followed strictly. i will be happy to adhere. OmGanGanpataye (talk) 15:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Discuss it on the article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I've already told you, provide sources and don't "fix" what doesn't need fixing. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 20:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

i want to know the reason of your resistance, please talk to the point; my intent of correcting a fact have made clear with every response. OmGanGanpataye (talk) 07:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Discuss the matter on the article's talk page; and if it happens to be about the spelling "Mukherjee", then point people to the earlier discussion at Talk:Syama Prasad Mukherjee/Archive 1. Incidentally, there are many women here; they may be surprised to be addressed as "Sir" (however politely and amicably intended). -- Hoary (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

create an article in sandbox. couldn't publish it and now it has disappeared

Is there a way to find out how to publish on this platform. I created a page for happiness4beginners. It was in sandbox, I couldn't figure out how to publish it. Apparently, it was not saved in sandbox and now it has disappeared. I see questions to my mentor but they are all unanswered. Happiness4Beginners (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Blocked, user was promoting their YouTube channel of the same name. 331dot (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Using live data templates inside Syntax Highlight

I'd like to add some common templates to my user page for easy copy/paste into articles, manually filling in the missing fields.

I'm doing this with Template:syntaxhighlight like so:

cite news |last= |first= |date= |title= |url= |work=[[The New York Times]] |url-access=subscription |access-date= |archive-url= |archive-date= |url-status=live |quote=

Is there any way to inject "live data" into the syntax highlight pre-formatted text?

I'd like to include the current date like so: September 21, 2024

But using the template, that shows |date={{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}

How can I add the always-updating live date to the template? PK-WIKI (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Did you mean to use |date=? Or or did you mean |access-date=?

I don't think that you can have 'live' elements inside <syntaxhighlight>...</syntaxhighlight> tags. You might do something like this:

<code><nowiki>{{cite news |last= |first= |date= |title= |url= |work=[[The New York Times]] |url-access=subscription |archive-url= |archive-date= |url-status=live |quote=</nowiki> |access-date={{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}}}</code>

{{cite news |last= |first= |date= |title= |url= |work=[[The New York Times]] |url-access=subscription |archive-url= |archive-date= |url-status=live |quote= |access-date=September 21, 2024}}

Remember that the magic words aren't 'live' so with this method, your user page may require a null edit or purge to update them.

Magic words can be subst'd, but alas, substing doesn't work inside <ref>...</ref> tags. If you are not using the cs1|2 template in <ref>...</ref> tags (list defined referencing) then you might try:

{{cite news |last= |first= |date= |title= |url= |work=[[The New York Times]] |url-access=subscription |access-date={{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTDAY}}, {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} |archive-url= |archive-date= |url-status=live |quote=}}</code>

"Title". The New York Times. Retrieved August 31, 2024.

this 'live' example modified to suppress cs1|2 errors

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 2024 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence

Reference help requested. How to use this bot? Thanks, ZeetBaralWiki 20:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Cross-wiki abuse

My talk and user pages on Wikisource (which I don't use, by the way) are being targeted with personal attacks. I know en.wikipedia isn't the place to report this, but can someone direct me to the Wikisource equivalent of WP:AIV? I know the attacks are coming from a long-time abuse user on a logged-out IP address which has banned on en.wikipedia. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous: wikisource:Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard says "This is also the place to report vandalism or request an administrator's help." But is it about the English Wikisource? I don't see edits to your user or talk page there. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me to that! I think the pages have since been removed by a Wikisource or meta admin, but both my user and talk pages were defaced with personal attacks for a time. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 23:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I found the issue: en.wikisource.org is separate from wikisource.org.

My wikisource.org page is currently defaced. I can't find an equivalent, so for now, I'll ask at the en Wikisource page you linked. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 02:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous: I didn't know Wikisource has a common wiki for all languages, unlike Wikipedia. I see your user and talk page have been deleted and create-protected now. I hope the vandal doesn't find another way to harass you. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

WIKIWAND

Can someone tell me why when I click on wikipedia.org I am taken to wikiwand? I want to be taken to wikipedia.com not wikiwand. It's very annoying.

Thank you Ellen Marchese emarches at live dot com Emarches (talk) 23:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Emarches: Maybe your browser has a Wikiwand extension. Do you know how to see and disable extensions in your browser? If not then what is your browser? If you don't have a Wikiwand extension then where do you click on wikipedia.org when you're taken to Wikiwand? Please give an example link. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Emarches: Wikiwand is a commercial browser extension that you or someone added to your browser on your computer, intentionally or unintentionally. It is not associated with Wikipedia or with the Wikimedia Foundation and we do not get any benefit from the advertisements it adds or the tracking cookies it puts on your computer. If you did not add it on purpose or if you no longer want to use it, you should remove it. You can google for "how to remove wikiwand" to get instructions for that. -Arch dude (talk) 17:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)