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January 27

Any easy way to view edits by category?

I would like to see if there is a way to find out hou many edits I have made to a specific category. Is there a tool that will let me do that? NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 02:29, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Go to https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/NightWolf1223, which presents your editing statistics in many different ways (by namespace, date, time of day etc) if that is what you are after? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@NightWolf1223: To answer your specific question, nope, because determining whether an article is in a specific category is not an easy process due to the way the categorisation tree works (except for non-diffusing subcategories). I'm sure I once read a page explaining this here but I can't find it now. Graham87 (talk) 06:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the help, NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 14:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Don't find which wiki I asked

Hello,

Before some days I asked wikipedia or at some wiki site about delete my users and my contributions at wiki (wikibook). Someone wrote me that wiki cant control what happen at other wiki. While I looked for my contributions I dont see the talk.

So once again I have been hurt by Hebrew Universty and dont care delete all my user from wiki.

Second why I dont see my topic and need ask it over and over again

יוני2023 (talk) 03:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

More over now wiki wrote to me this is my first donate! it isnt true יוני2023 (talk) 03:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

If you need assistance with your account at Wikibooks, you will need to ask there. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Assistance RudolfRed (talk) 04:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks I got the HELP. --יוני2023 (talk) 07:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Why is my page created not shown in Google search

I had created a page for a person in Wikipedia. But it is not shown during a search engine or when searching on wiki itself. Rahul plamparambil (talk) 03:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Pages must go through the new page review process or be 90 days old before being indexed. Philipnelson99 (talk) 03:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Additionally to the above, the page you created currently exists only in the user namespace, which is never indexed by default. WelpThatWorked (talk) 03:52, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

You misplaced your draft article, putting it on your userpage where you should be telling us about you. I moved it to Draft:Ramadevi.P.K, where it is badly in need of improvement before it could become part of this encyclopedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rahul plamparambil. Unfortunately, like hundreds of other people who come to edit Wikipedia and plunge straight into the challenging task of creating an article before they have learnt anything about how Wikipedia works, you have created something that, in its present form, has no chance at all of being incorporated into the encyclopaedia.

My advice to new editors is always to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our six million articles, and in particular learning about the fundamental policies of verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, before they ever try to create an article.

I see that you have been here for a year and a half, but you have done nothing but create your misplaced draft. I earnestly advise you to put aside your draft and learn the craft of editing Wikipedia.

Then you can read your first article, and see how to go about creating an article. I suspecty you will find that your best approach is to abandon your draft and start again, forwards instead of BACKWARDS.

Finally, I note that you claim the pictures in the draft as your own work. What is your connection with Ramadevi? Please be aware of the advice on editing with a conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Rahul plamparambil: Your subject may or may not be notable in Wikipedia terms. To judge that, we need citations to reliable sources, which your draft currently lacks. Please add some, then we can advise your further. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about canvassing and arbitration

I am not sure if this is the right place to ask? Please let me know if there is somewhere more appropriate?

There is a user I am considering making a complaint about in arbitration requests for enforcement.

My complaint would relate to a very long pattern of behaviour (going back to at least 2021) that this user has directed at multiple other users.

As far as I understand it, contacting these users to ask got their assistance is very much not allowed? That would count as "canvassing" of people who are "involved"?

But I am wondering if I am allowed to contact them to ask if they consent to being mentioned in my complaint? I wouldn't be asking for them to participate, but obviously it would make them aware that it was happening.

If this is not allowed then hopefully I will be able to explain the problem with anonymised information? Or at least semi anonymised. But that gets a bit fraught.

The pattern of behaviour relates to vexatious complaints made in arbitration (I could link those archives), but in some cases the offender intimidated people on their talk pages and it didn't get as far as arbitration.

I worry that even asking for their consent might trigger retaliate, so possibly skipping that is a better idea anyway.

Irtapil (talk) 06:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not canvassing for you to ask that others that are specifically involved in this matter to give their views in an AE case, especially if it involves a pattern of behavior. Canvassing refers to something like asking like-minded friends to support (or oppose) an AFD discussion. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Use of QRcode of a statistical report by references

"Phitsanulok Provincial Statistical Report 2023-2566" has ISSN 1905-8314 as its identifier.
But this ISSN issue includes almost 75 different provincial reports and also ranging over many years.
So I plan to paste the QRcode of this particular report in a reference section.
But how should I make concise references to population, education and health statistics? SietsL (talk) 08:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@SietsL: What are readers meant to do with the QR code you intend to include? Bazza (talk) 09:31, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, if you try to access the said report through ISSN 1905-8314, I believe that it will ultimately useless.

Secondly, when you scan the added QR code, you will have immediately access the full 297 page report.

SietsL (talk) 12:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@SietsL, QR codes are not human-readable, and ability to use them varies widely depending on a reader's experience, so this very novel method of citation is likely not going to be viable on Wikipedia. The QR code links to a Google Drive PDF of what appears to be the official government document in question. Google Drive links can expose personal information, so I recommend not including this in a citation in any form. I would recommend simply filling out the information about the documents in a citation template—you don't have to directly link to the document to cite it. Perhaps include a URL where one can find all the reports in question. Remsense诉 13:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

The QR code above resolves to a URL, so you can simply include that in your citation. However, the URL is on the drive.google.com domain (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PSkzlkapfPtvc27NQ3awClx9dTpSnKgq/view?usp=sharing). I doubt that meets the requirements summarised at WP:RS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

MeyGen tidal energy project info box listed as a Thermal power station

Hi, the info box on the page for the MeyGen tidal energy project lists it as a Thermal power station, which is wrong. It has the Primary fuel listed as Tidal power, and looking at the WikiData page this gives a warning "value-type constraint: Values of source of energy statements should be subclasses of one of the following classes (or of one of their subclasses), but tidal energy currently isn't"

I tried editing the WikiData page, as I suspect that is where this is coming from, but that didn't fix the issue, so I reverted my edit.

If anyone knows more about how to correct this, that would be great, although not a major problem.

Cheers, Drnoble (talk) 12:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Drnoble: Seems fixed. You often need to purge the cache before you see any changes made on Wikidata reflected here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing thanks Andy, however for me it still shows up as a thermal power station, which was the issue I was trying to fix. Do you see it as something else? Drnoble (talk) 15:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Drnoble: It was showing as "Type = Tidal stream generator" under the heading "Tidal power station". However, the subheading "Thermal power station" was also showing, because "tidal power" was listed under it as a fuel. I've removed the power source from Wikidata, and that fixes it, but the infobox should be able to cope with that. Please raise the matter on the infobox's talk page. When fixed and tested, the value should be restored on Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing Thanks a lot Andy, I've done as you suggested and left a note on the template talk page Drnoble (talk) 17:27, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Paid editing and article writing

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia and I want to write articles in return of payment through www.upwork.com, where I work as a freelancer. I recently wrote an article about a museum and don't know how exactly to make sure that it is not violating any policies about paid articles. Can you please help me with that? I understood that I should state both in my talk page and in the article's page that I am being paid to write, but since I am not working with one client, I am unsure if I should just mention the client's name each time I write an article or just generally mention that I am being paid. I look forward to your reply. Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards, Asiciogludeniz (talk) 13:29, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Asiciogludeniz Paid editing is unwanted, and if you sure you want to do it, please mention this (with the client's name) frequently. Also only edit when you sure you can write encyclopedic content using reliable sources. RuzDD (talk) 13:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not certain if you can just make a blanket statement that all your edits are paid edits, but you do need to state each client and, if different from the client, who is paying you. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Asiciogludeniz: Wikipedia's policy is at WP:PAID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Paid editing is tolerated, but not encouraged. This is partly because, while it is conceivable that somebody might altruistically pay somebody to improve Wikipedia, in practice anybody who is willing to pay somebody to edit Wikipedia is doing so for promotional purposes, which is directly contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia.

Some paid editors are experienced Wikipedia editors, and understand how to work within Wikipedia's policies - and also understand that they cannot guarantee that an article on their client will be accepted, and they certainly cannot guarantee that it will say what the client would like to to say. Many paid editors do not take the time to learn about Wikipedia, do not understand the policies and limitations, and struggle against Wikipedia's policies: they often end up getting blocked.

My advice would be to abandon this intention. If you insist on continuing with it, first spend several months editing as a volunteer, learning about Wikipedia's principles, especially verifiability, reliable sources, independent sources, neutral point of view, and notability.

Then, if you wish to go into business, study your first article and paid editing carefully. Then you can advertise for clients. If you don't tell them up front that you cannot make the guarantees I mentioned above, then I would call that dishonest. ColinFine (talk) 16:27, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Asiciogludeniz: the goal of the paid editing policy is to ensure that readers and reviewers can assess your potential bias as a paid editor when reading a specific article. Thus, you need to declare your relationship with each of your clients. It's best to do this on the talk page of each article for which it applies. You need not list all of your clients one each of the articles, just name the client for that article. I think you should also list each article for which it applies on your user page. It's all about meeting the intent of the policy, not about the specific process. Note that you can be a "paid editor" with respect to some articles and not other articles. and you can have an unpaid WP:COI with respect to some articles and not others. This is why a list of the articles you edited and your specific paid relationship with respect to each article is important. -Arch dude (talk) 17:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

And finally, Asiciogludeniz, in case it wasn't clear, Wikipedia itself does not pay any editors or writers: the large majority of us contributing and editing articles, responding on this and other Help desks, and conducting 'behind the scenes' administrative tasks, are volunteers. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.47.60 (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Fake photo

Really ?!?

This photo of the Beatles is an obvious fake. Note the scale, perspective and lighting. Just thought I'd mention it someplace. 136.54.106.120 (talk) 14:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. The photo was first uploaded in 2012 and was a scan from a print that has been tweaked in various ways since (see history of the file on Commons). The image is widely used in Wikipedia and I doubt it would have survived here if it were a total fake. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I suppose the Beatles were huge in Sweden, but were they literally eight feet tall? And, could their buoyant personalities allow them to float five feet in the air? 136.54.106.120 (talk) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

They appear to be jumping in the air, but even if it were a doctored image, it could have been doctored in the 60s. 331dot (talk) 15:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

If George's foot is on the ground, then the rest of them seem to only be 12-18 inches off the ground. There's nothing in the foreground with them to indicate whether they are six or seven or eight feet tall. GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Look at the rectangles on the pavement; then, note the scale of people in the background and imagine them projected forward. Sus? 136.54.106.120 (talk) 17:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm with the theory that the image has been doctored in some way, it doesn't look quite right how they are set against the background. However, there is no proof.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Does Alamy know? Because it's one of their stock photos.[1] Hmmm. Turns out to be a public domain picture. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks weird, but these sources seems to take it at face value:[2][3][4]

See also version with text on here:[5], don't know if it's original. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

A Google Image search for 'Beatles jumping' brings up a variety of pictures like this, many of them obviously manipulated as the same poses recur against different backgrounds. There must be some original pictures, but the trope of isolating the figures and changing the background was so prevalent that it is hard to identify which they are. The fact that the Beatles are wearing the same clothing in many images suggests that a lot of pictures were taken in a studio on one occasion against a plain background, then used as overlays on other contexts. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 10:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Article about Fiona Adams photographing jumping Beatles here. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 11:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Similar composite photo here. Btw, if the photo above was actually taken in '64 Sweden, then the photographer was likely Bo Trenter. Here's another clue for you all: This photo seems as though it could have been taken during the same photo session. --136.54.106.120 (talk) 23:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

JPEG in Draft Copper Development Association UK

 Courtesy link: Draft:Copper Development Association UK

One of my JPEGs does not show even though loaded. How do I get it accepted? I have tried several times already. Thanks, Vin Callcut Vinuka (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Vinuka:

Your images have markup like:

[[File:Ankh-1936|thumb| left| The 1933 CDA Ankh logo]]
[[\Ankh-2m|thumb||thumb|The CDA Ankh]]
[[File:Ankh-2m.jpg|thumb| centre |The CDA ankh 1970s]] 
[[File:Ankh 0411 2015.gif|thumb| right |The last version of the copper ankh symbol]]

The last two look OK.

The first lacks a file extension (.jpg or .gif, etc). The second lacks the "File:" prefix, and an extension. It also has two "|thumb" components. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Roberto Vannacci

I request the deletion of this draft, I no longer intend to work on it. Thanks in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Someone else may wish to complete it; see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Roberto Vannacci. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Creating A Posting

Italic

Hello, how do I go about creating an article of both my deceased brothers and myself , I'm the last of the boys and almost 64. As a drummer from St Paul Mn I have a story to share here. If That's even a thing I can do here! ?? Thanks

Johnny Foster now in Ohio Tophatjohnny (talk) 20:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tophatjohnny Welcome to Wikipedia. Please see the message I just left on your talk page. As for the subject of your article, please be aware that all articles must pass our guidelines for encyclopedic notability. See WP:GNG. Also we ask that you do not create autobiographical articles or edit articles on a subject where you have a connection. See WP:COI. You may make suggestions for edits on articles where you have a connection on the article talk page. You may suggest an article topic at WP:AfC. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Tophatjohnny: If what you want to write isn't suitable for Wikipedia, you can create a free website at https://wordpress.org/ - other such services are also available. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:09, 27 January 2024 (UTC)