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June 16

Francis Grosvenor, 8th Earl of Wilton

Please place the Wilton crest INSIDE at the top of the info box - where (like other peerage pages) it belongs. I have tried but cannot do this. Thank you 2001:4479:6903:5A00:C5B8:D45F:EF7F:C0C6 (talk) 00:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done It goes at the image parameter of the infobox, and the square brackets and "File:" before the name are removed. —C.Fred (talk) 00:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Clarification of MOS:BOLDLINK

This says that in the lead sentence of an article, the boldface reiteration of the article's title that mostly begins the first sentence - for example, as in "Sarde in saor are an appetizer etc" in the article titled "Sarde in saor" - should not contain any links. Can someone confirm that this includes foreign-language links such as {{lang-it|...}}? Sarde in saor doesn't do this, but cf for example Colatura di alici, which does. Before I take this further I want to double-check that linking in this way is wrong. Thanks, Ingratis (talk) 11:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:BOLDAVOID suggests not linking when bolding. I tend to keep that true for all prose, and only allow bold links within templates. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

That's how I understand it too but for dealing with argumentative editors it would be useful if it were more clearly spelt out. I'll raise it at the guideline talk page. Thanks, Ingratis (talk) 12:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

New article

How do you create an article about a new political candidate? Jimbaba (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jimbaba. You would need to establish the person's Wikipedia:Notability for an article to be written about them, and simply being a candidate for political office is almost always insufficient for doing that. You'll find some more information about this is Wikipedia:Notability (people) (in particular the section tiled "Politicians and judges"). A lack of Wikipedia notability is pretty impossible to WP:OVERCOME regardless who's trying; so, you should try to honestly self-assess this person's Wikipedia notability before proceeding further. If they're not Wikipedia notable, it will matter not how much time and effort you would have spent creating the article if it ends up being tagged, proposed or nominated for deletion.

Some other things you should consider. If you're connected to the candidate in some personal or professional way (i.e. a more than casual way), you probably should take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure to see whether they might apply to you. You should also take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. While Wikipedia might seem like a great way for a candidate to promote themselves or make themselves better known to the outside world, a Wikipedia article is written about a subject, not on behalf of a subject. If it turns out that an article can be written about this person, they will have zero editorial control over it, and neither they nor anyone else will be able to use it as a means to promote the candidate or their positions. Basically, all content (positive or negative) will be assessed in terms of relevant Wikipedia policies and guideline and will need to be based primarily on what secondary and independent reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) are saying about the candidate. Any attempts to deviate from a neutral point of view and encyclopedic tone will almost certainly (perhaps rather quickly) be undone; moreover, any attempts to add content which can't be properly verified through citations to reliable sources will also be undone, particularly with respect to content about living persons.

If after readiing all of the above, you still wish to push on, I strongly suggest that you use the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process to create a draft which you can submit for review when you think it's ready. You might want to take a look at Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners for some general information on how to write an article and how to add properly formatted citations to it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

How Can I Add References Properly on Wikipedia?

Hi everyone, I'm new to editing Wikipedia and want to make sure I'm adding references correctly to my articles. What is the best way to cite sources and add references to ensure they meet Wikipedia's guidelines? Are there any tools or templates that can help streamline this process? Thanks for your assistance! Sarmadabbas1122 (talk) 12:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sarmadabbas1122 Hi! From your question, it sounds like you've read reliable sources and understand what a good source is, and you're just looking for technical advice on adding sources to articles. Let me know if I have misread your question.

• If you are using VisualEditor, there is a citation tool in the toolbar. In many cases, it will automatically generate a reference when you give it the URL of an online source. (Sometimes it can't parse the source, and you have to do it manually, but VisualEditor makes it easier, in some ways, to deal with the templates I mention below.)
• If you aren't using VisualEditor, or for certain tricky circumstances, you'll need to enter the Wiki markup code for the reference manually. Start by opening a <ref> tag. Inside of the pair of ref tags, you'll use a template for the type of source, such as {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, or {{cite web}}. As a hypothetical example:

  Twenty people were saved when Superman stopped a speeding train from falling off a destroyed bridge.<ref>{{cite news | last=Olson | first=Jimmy | title=Superman stops runaway train, saves 20 | work=Daily Planet | date=June 15, 2024 | url=https://www.dailyplanet.fakeurl/superman-stops-runaway-train-saves-20.html}}</ref>

Help:References has more information on formatting, and if you have questions on a specific source you're trying to add, you can ask here or in the talk page of the related article/draft. You can also leave me a message at User talk:C.Fred; I'll be glad to reply to you there. —C.Fred (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Discrepancy with a timeline?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominick_Dunne

In the Final Years and Tribute section for Dominick Dunne, there is a timeline discrepancy. It states that "On September 22, 2008, Dunne complained of intense pain, and was taken by ambulance to Valley Hospital. He died on August 26, 2008."

How does one go to the hospital on September 22, 2008 when they died on August 26, 2008?

Please fix this for Mr. Dominick Dunne's page. He was my favorite Vanity Fair/True Crime writer.

In September 2008, Dunne disclosed that he was being treated for bladder cancer. At the time of his death, he was working on Too Much Money. On September 22, 2008, Dunne complained of intense pain, and was taken by ambulance to Valley Hospital. He died on August 26, 2009, at his home in Manhattan and was buried at Cove Cemetery, in the shadow of Gillette Castle in Hadlyme, Connecticut. 2601:14D:4E82:2850:AE38:7465:CBE0:15B9 (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Please raise your concerns at the article's Talk page, where other edits interested in the subject can weigh in. DonIago (talk) 15:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Spaghetti all'assassina, IPA

"Spaghetti all'assassina is similar in preparation to pasta risottata (Italian: [ˈpasta rizotˈtaːta])"; we absolutely don't pronounce it like this, not with "z"; I hope that other pronunciations don't have similar errors, otherwise I will have to eliminate many of them. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: Can you please discuss this at the relevant article talk page? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: done: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spaghetti_all%27assassina&diff=prev&oldid=1229385286. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I remove my account

How to remove my account 41.122.9.149 (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

You made this comment as an unregistered editor, so there's no account to remove. If you edited while logged out, note that for technical reasons accounts can't be removed; just abandon it if you don't wish to use it anymore. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Closure request

The following closure request was made over one month ago. Is there any way to expedite this? --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

The talk page of closure requests would be my first choice. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Blocked from editing

Hi, I tried (for the first time) to edit this page. Unfortunately, I got hit with the

"As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. If you are attempting to run a bot or semi-automated script, please read and understand our bot policy, then request approval. Users who run unauthorized bot scripts may lose their editing privileges."

I admit, I created this account just for this edit, because a couple of years back, on my old account, I couldn't edit anything on fr Wikipedia due to some weird error (I don't remember which one exactly, something due to IP).
What do I have to do to be able to edit?
Thanks in advance. Alpiiiiiine (talk) 17:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

what was the name of your previous account? AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

It’s this one ! Erwan789 (talk) 19:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Ping @AndyTheGrump:. TSventon (talk) 09:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I can't see any obvious reason why editing should be blocked under either account. A bit of searching shows that the message is from MediaWiki:Actionthrottledtext. There have been a few other instances of people having the same issue, though it isn't clear whether they were all due to the bot malfunctioning rather than them trying to do something they shouldn't. If all you've been doing is trying to make a normal edit, it is most likely a false positive. Your IP is unlikely to be the problem, since you aren't blocked on this page. I'd try again and see what happens. If it persists, it probably needs reporting: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) would probably be the best place to do this, since that's where those most familiar with MediaWiki stuff hang out. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Yup got blocked again. I'll go and report it. Thanks for the clarification ! Alpiiiiiine (talk) 14:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Alec Baldwin

The actor Alec Baldwin was born in Amityville or Massapequa? In his book "Nevertheless: a memoir" he says: "I'm from 25 Greatwater Avenue in Massapequa, New York". 87.11.28.107 (talk) 17:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

"From" is not synonymous with "born", and there is no inconsistency unless it was a home birth. It is entirely possible that he was born in a hospital and spent his childhood living in a house at the nearby address that he mentioned. Cullen328 (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I forgot how to upload images to a page.

I want to update the image of the "Eternal Flame" in Sarajevo. I've uploaded my photo to Wiki commons but forgotten how to replace the main image on the right side of the Wikipedia page. Thanks. Pianistinator (talk) 20:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the Commons Description page for the image, C:File:The Eternal Flame, Sarajevo.jpg, you will see a link at the top "Use this File", and if you pick it, it will show you the string to copy and paste into the Wikipedia article.

Looking at that page, I see that you have described the picture as "Own work", but also said "Shot by Jack Rose. Instagram username: @Camerahuffer". Are you Jack Rose? ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

lynn drury

how do I add more sources? there are Many Many Articles in published magazines etc. Going back over 20 years. Sharapparazzi (talk) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Read Wikipedia:Notability (people). Then, if you have the sources to demonstrate that Drury meets our notability criteria, read Wikipedia:Citing sources. Nobody is going to write the article for you. Not with a draft like that, which makes claims but cites nothing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Like most new editors who try the challenging task of writing a draft before they have acquired the necessary skills, you have written Draft:Lynn Drury WP:BACKWARDS.

First find your sources, then write a summary of what those sources say. Doing anything else is like trying to build a house without surveying the site, or checking local building regulations: even if your house looks OK, it will probably fall down, or the authorities will require such extensive changes that you might as well demolish it and start again.

Remember that the sources must be reliable (no social media, blogs, or user-generated sites like Wikis or iMDB):independent (nothing written, published, or commissioned, by the subject or their associates or agents; and nothing based on their words, like interviews, or articles written from press releases); and with significant coverage (at least a couple of paragraphs about the subject specifically: not just mentions, not about something the subject is connected with, but about the subject). See WP:42 for more on this. ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Quote: Her music is a definitive blend of Americana infused with the soulful spirit of New Orleans, a city known for its unique groove. She has become a regular performer at iconic events like the French Quarter Fest and New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival (my emphases). Et cetera. It's less a matter of lack of necessary skills, more an utterly inappropriate intention to boost this person. Please take this fluff to some other website. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyrighted Images, Sandboxes, and Pre-Drafts

Asking out of curiosity, what's the Wikipedia policy on copyrighted images when it comes to sandboxes? Asking because I'm thinking about creating a draft for a game that's seen recent popularity, but I'm not entirely sure if it has enough notability to be an article just yet.

Jdxtreme, Local Idiot (talk)

22:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Jdxtreme, it's the same as anywhere else. Copyright material may not be used anywhere in Wikipedia unless either it is licensed with a compatible licence, such as WP:CC-BY-SA, or it meets all the criteria in the non-free content criteria, one of which is that it may be used only in articles. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

But note that the presence or absence of images will not affect whether a draft is accepted on review or not. Images are decoration, not a crucial part of an article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for letting me know Colin. Guess uploading that Steam header will have to wait until I polish that rough draft on my sandbox.

Jdxtreme, Local Idiot (talk)

23:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

​You probably shouldn't upload any non-free content until after the draft has been approved as an article or otherwise ends up in the article namespace as explained in WP:DRAFTS#Creating and editing drafts. If you try to add non-free content to the page while it's still a draft or in your username space; it will be removed (most likely by a WP:BOT) and end tagged for speedy deletion per criteria WP:F5 if it's not being used in any other articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)