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June 24

Peter Phillips

Reference numbers 42 and 43 are both from the UK Daily telegraph and should be "archived" with a little padlock emblem - I cannot do this. Please assist if possible. Thanks. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 00:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

This can be done with the "url-access" parameter, but I am not sure which one to use or if it is even needed. I am able to view the content without signing up. RudolfRed (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The "padlocks" for archived UK Daily Telegraph articles (as references) has been done correctly in the article Catherine, Princess of Wales. Is there any editor that knows how to do it? All the very best and thanks in advance for trying. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 00:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Padlocks are only for references that are viewable if one is a subscriber (in which case, "url-access=subscription"). References 42 and 43 are viewable by anyone. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

And in fact the references in Catherine, Princess of Wales are wrongly padlocked (which I will fix). Clarityfiend (talk) 02:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Oddly enough, a few Telegraph references are correctly blocked, which means I have to check all gazillion of them. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you please get the UK Daily Telegraph articles on this Peter Phillips article to be "Archived" - not padlocked? I hope you are not annoyed with my request. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

You'll need to get somebody else to do that. It's a fair amount of work to fix the princess's article. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Consider also what it's for. Namely, this: By June 2024, Phillips [the subject of the article] had introduced his partner, paediatric nurse and freelance writer Harriet Sperling (née Sanders) to King Charles and Queen Camilla. Sperling's father, solicitor Rupert Sanders (1946-2023), was invited to the 1969 wedding of his first cousin Timothy de Zoete at St Margaret's Church - next to Westminster Abbey - to Moyra Dawney, granddaughter of the 7th Duke of Buccleuch and a first cousin of Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester. Sperling's great-grandmother, Dorothy de Zeote (née Courage (1877-1972), was the sister of Raymond Courage, Lord of the Manor of Edgcote. The siblings were members of the Courage brewing dynasty. Utter trivia, I'd say. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Alternative language word count

Some entries are very brief. On such occasions it may be helpful to the reader to indicate the word counts of alternate language entries so that the reader can select the longest and presumably most detailed entry for translation. 153.222.34.188 (talk) 03:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

That may or may not have to do with clashing policies and guidelines across different language Wikipedias. The English Wikipedia is one of the ones that have the strictest policies, so information cited to sources considered unreliable isn't going to make it over here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

regarding money

how to earn money in my home by online Attaullahsafety (talk) 11:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Not by anything to do with editing Wikipedia, which is the only topic which this Wikipedia Help Desk deals with. ColinFine (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Attaullahsafety I suggest you start by learning to use a search engine. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Greenfields School vandalism

There has been vandalism by a user to Greenfields School claiming a source does not state what it states, namely:

"Greenfields, a small independent school perched on the corner of the Ashdown Forest, where some of the future leaders of Scientology are being educated"

Given the subject of this page some advice would be welcomed as to how to stave off this vandalism. Nofoolie (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nofoolie You are in a content dispute with User:Chartinboy. The correct procedure, following our standard process is to discuss your opposing views on the Talk Page of the article, which neither of you have done. If necessary, you can seek a third opinion or move towards dispute resolution. Please do not just edit war as that helps no-one. We seek consensus for all article content. WP:ONUS is also relevant to any dispute. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I wondered if there was the option, given the subject of the page, that edit-protection would be warranted. I do not see their claims being valid, and I see some funny business happening prior to their edits.

I will initiate a discussion on the talk-page with @Chartinboy but I suspect that despite the words being clear in the articles cited their intention is to remove that assertion from the page. Nofoolie (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Very happy to discuss - if there is a source backing up your claim I see no issue with it being included in the article, I've no interest in baselessly defending or attacking them, but the source you listed didn't support the claim you made. Chartinboy (talk) 16:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Hi, I'd appreciate some assistance on the talk page of the article in question, if that's OK. It's just personal accusations rather than any helpful discussion and I'm not sure how to proceed. Chartinboy (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Nofoolie. Please do not use the word "vandalism" unless it is clearly that according to Wikipedia's definition: Vandalism. It seems to me that you and Chartinboy have strongly differing views about the subject, but neither of you is attempting to damage Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Marking jstor access

For the article Hadriana in All My Dreams, a few articles from JSTOR are referenced. A preview is available but they're only available for full through institutional access (like through Wikipedia library) or registration. I understand that all online sources should be marked with access levels, how should the JSTOR access be indicated? Jaguarnik (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Jstor (|jstor-access=) and DOI (|doi-access=) are presumed subscription only, and will only accept the value free. Folly Mox (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

See Template:Cite journal#Access indicator for named identifiers. DuncanHill (talk) 17:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Collins House And Granary

I can see that there was a previous article (280 words) along the the photo but won't let me access the article. How can I access the article? KarottGrossman (talk) 18:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you're seeing that information. If an article has been deleted from Wikipedia, then you can't see it, unless you're an admin. But it is possible that an admin will be willing to restore it for you to work on. See WP:REFUND. ColinFine (talk) 18:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Which photo is it that you're talking about? I can't find any evidence that there has ever been an article about that house. ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@KarottGrossman It is listed at the DAB page Collins House, with a link to a brief mention and photo on National Register of Historic Places listings in Whitman County, Washington. Is that the article you want to access? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Publishing a Page

Hello! I created a wikipedia page and need assistance in publishing it. If someone can assist, that would be greatly appreciated Hemanthtdpli (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ethan Baker. Deor (talk) 23:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

how to make this page public: Draft:Ethan Baker Hemanthtdpli (talk) 23:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The draft will not be accepted as an article. It is almost entirely unsourced, and is clearly promotional. Read Help:Your first article, and then, if you can find the necessary sources, revise the draft to meet our policies and guidelines, adding the necessary citations, removing the promotional language etc, and then add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft to submit it, as instructed. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. I will follow that and submit. Thanks! Hemanthtdpli (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)