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Is there a way to grab the theme choice of a user for template purposes?

There must be a way to know which theme a user is using. Is there a template or something? Just curious. Cessaune [talk] 06:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cessaune: Do you mean the skin? You cannot know the skin for performance reasons. It would require multiple versions of the page to be cached if the produced wikitext is different. With TemplateStyles you can use skin-specific classes to make code which only styles a chosen skin. See for example body.skin-monobook and body.skin-timelessin Template:Fake heading/styles.css. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

This is definitely helpful, but I mean the dark/light theme. Cessaune [talk] 10:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I guess last month's thread on this topic wasn't helpful enough? I don't see that you've asked at VPT in the interim (a search for your username in the archives returned no hits), but you've already got PrimeHunter in this thread; few if any editors are more technically knowledgeable about the software, so maybe he can give a definitive answer this time. Folly Mox (talk) 10:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cessaune is there something specific about the dark mode you wish to resolve? – robertsky (talk) 10:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cessaune: Wikipedia:Theme usually refers to skins. Light/dark is called mode. The situation is similar to skins. You cannot know the mode but you can use TemplateStyles to target it. MediaWiki's Light/Dark setting for Vector 2022 and the mobile version gives classes which can be targeted with html.skin-theme-clientpref-day (rarely used) and html.skin-theme-clientpref-night. See mw:Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis. Search for examples. Other desktop skins currently have no dark mode made by MediaWiki and neither of the classes are present. The English Wikipedia has made an older "Dark mode toggle" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets but it can only be enabled by registered users and works differently. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The article about us is wrong

Hallo

the article about us : Bellona Foundation - Wikipedia really needs an update. It contains a lot of outdated - and wrong- information. How can this be done? Can we do the edit ourselves?

Signy

Head of Communications

Bellona SF Bellona (talk) 10:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

SF Bellona, thank you for asking. Best is to make one or more edit requests at Talk:Bellona Foundation. Please provide references to published sources (sources that generally should be independent of the Foundation). -- Hoary (talk) 11:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

SF Bellona, please see Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide for the rules we'd like you to follow. For basic factual information (like number of employees, current officers, revenue), sources published by your own organisation are acceptable per WP:SELFSOURCE. Anything beyond the basic facts meeting the six criteria listed at that uppercase link— that will require third-party sourcing, as Hoary mentions above. Folly Mox (talk) 12:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You added "We are solutions-oriented and have a systems-thinking and scientific approach to assess the economics, climate impacts and technical feasibility of the climate actions we need." That is absolutely 100% inappropriate promotional editing and your user name suggests a conflict which you need to disclose ASAP. Theroadislong (talk) 12:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Yikes! Save the ad copy for grant proposals: this is an obsolete portal speedy deletion criterion an encyclopaedia! Folly Mox (talk) 13:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC) edited 12:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox: I assume you meant to link to WP:5P1 – WP:P1 is an obsolete portal speedy deletion criterion. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Yep 🫠 Fixed. Folly Mox (talk) 20:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Concerning MOS: PRONPLACEMENT

Hello.

I have encountered this unique case in a BLP's lead where the person has (a) a stage name different from the actual name, where (b) all words in both names have pronunciations obvious from their respective spellings, except for (c) a common word having a pronunciation that is not-so-obvious. I am seeking clarification on MOS:PRONPLACEMENT regarding situations like this.

That is exactly the case with one article I'm currently working on, which is Glaiza de Castro. She is one of those people with a separate stage name who has a single word (Glaiza) with varying pronunciations (as tested with some of my friends from abroad and text-to-speech voices) present in both legal and stage name while all other words (de, Castro, Galura, Rainey) are obvious from their spellings.

The lead's first sentence currently reads: "Glaiza Castro Galura-Rainey (born January 21, 1988), professionally known by her stage name Glaiza de Castro (Tagalog: [ˈglɐjsa dɛ ˈkaːs.tɾo]), is a Filipino actress."

I plan to remove the [dɛ ˈkaːs.tɾo] part of the IPA transcription since "de Castro" has a generally obvious pronunciation. From here, I am stumped. If only the [ˈglɐjsa] part (for "Glaiza") were to remain, there are two possible ways to place the IPA: (a) after "Glaiza Castro Galura-Rainey", her full name OR (b) after "Glaiza de Castro", her stage name.

MOS:PRONPLACEMENT states that "Opening of lead — Transcriptions are frequently placed immediately after the head words of the article in dictionary format". What are the "head words" in this case? Do they refer to her actual name, "Glaiza Castro Galura-Rainey", or her WP:COMMONNAME or stage name, "Glaiza de Castro"?

I appreciate and look forward to your guidance in rare cases like this lead. Thanks! Ramkarlo82 (talk) 11:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Ramkarlo82, for multiple varying pronunciations of Glaiza, you can follow the guidance under the § Footnote subheading at the uppercase shortcut you've linked. While the term head words unambiguously refers to the first bolded words opening an article, in this case the head words of the article – Glaiza Castro Galura-Rainey – do not match the article title Glaiza de Castro (since July 2020). Since you're only planning on providing pronunciation guides for the subject's forename (consistent across personal and professional names), you could either leave the {{IPA}} transclusion where it is after the article title; or move it up, placed immediately following the opening words, consistent with MOS guidance. Folly Mox (talk) 13:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox, thank you. I actually add that I'm not adding the variation transcriptions of "Glaiza" but rather only have the widely prevailing one there (as currently reflected in the article). Following your advice in a while to move the IPA transcription up after the opening words. Ramkarlo82 (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Help in re-reviewing an article

Hello, is it possible for someone to re-review Global Ikhwan child abuse scandal? It has been in start class for a while now. N niyaz (talk) 12:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You are free to review it yourself. Theroadislong (talk) 12:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Tak nak N niyaz (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

N niyaz, WP:RATER suggests B-Class. Installing Rater and using the default suggestions and edit summary can avoid the impression of personal bias towards articles you've contributed heavily to. Folly Mox (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the help everyone!! N niyaz (talk) 13:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Asking for help in 2001:2D8:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 range.

I'm the person who made User_talk:2001:2D8:E3EE:CB33:31BD:9EB7:3411:C2EC this unblock request, and I'm at home now. I can edit wikipedia or create an account now, but I feel worried about all the other editors in that range, since this range is a SK telecom, a South Korean carrier's entire IP range and it has millions of people on it. I think this block should be reduced in scope/duration. I intended to post it on WP:ANI but that page seems to be protected, so I leave a message here. I will be grateful if someone forwards this message to appopriate board. 221.148.179.216 (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The same issue as WP:T-MOBILE likely applies, mobile carriers with frequently changing IPs would be difficult to limit collateral on. I'm not on the account creation team any more due to inactivity but I understand they are still processing requests fairly fast these days (which is pretty much the reason for the inactivity), and a generic vandalism rangeblock is something they will ignore, so if any of those millions of people aren't able to get to a network that isn't blocked, they should be able to have an account created within a few days or less. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I want to add a bio of my community king

I want to put a citation of my king here on Wikipedia Lan4sure (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Lan4sure.

If your "community king" (whatever that means) is notable in Wikipedia's special sense - roughly, that there has been enough independent reliably published material about him to base an article on - then Wikipedia could have an article about him. Note that nothing written, published, commissioned, or based on the words of, him or his associates, would be relevant to that question: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

If he does not meet those criteria, then it would be a waste of time for anybody to try and create an article on him.

If he does meet the criteria, then somebody could. Ideally, this would not be you (or anybody else in the community) because of your conflict of interest. You may post a request for an article at WP:RA - but, frankly, the chances of a volunteer picking up your request are probably not large.

You are not forbidden from trying to create an article about him; but writing an article is extremely hard for new editors, and even harder when they have a conflict of interest. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

I recommend you also read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing ColinFine (talk) 14:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Can I edit an article of myself, when some info is missing?

Can I do that when people don't know some things about me, so that I can add more info? Gnu779 (talk) 14:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:AUTOPROB.

In short: you should not edit an article about yourself, but you are welcome to raise edit requests for changes to the article.

But note that the article should not contain one single thing that is not verifiable from a published source. Your knowledge, even about yourself, is irrelevant unless readers can in principle go and look up the source and verify the information. ColinFine (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Looking to edit/add to Charlotte Hornets wiki page

I work for the Hornets and I am looking to add/change the ownership group on the Charlotte Hornets Wikipedia page. Mramirez1979 (talk) 14:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:PAID for the guidelines on paid editing if you have been contracted to write the article, and read WP:COI for guidelines on conflict of interest. Edits to the Charlotte Hornets page by editors with a COI should be made on the talk page (Talk:Charlotte Hornets) and must be verifiable to a third-party source - there must be a third party to prove any claim before it gets added to the article. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Where are user's uploaded images?

I uploaded image some time ago, spotted mistake/misspelling today, corrected it but can't see it any more. It's gone. Now, I can't 'edit' it (I mean upload corrected version), nor delete, nor anything.

I could upload new one, but can't see the point if there is old one, to be corrected. It can also be deleted, but I cannot see it at all. Like all my uploads' list is empty. Osetnik (talk) 17:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Only thing I can see is that you uploaded this to Commons (not Wikipedia) - X201 (talk) 17:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@ 109.245.35.63 (talk) 17:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

That's it, but I cannot see that from user/contributions/uploads.

I can see nothing.

Where did you find it?

And, as it's been found, how does one edit/correct it? All I can see is description edit box. Osetnik (talk) 17:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Last question is answered - found Upload a new version of this file at the bottom of the page. Osetnik (talk) 18:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Osetnik: Files uploaded to Commons can be shown in Wikipedia but Commons and Wikipedia have separate logs. If you find a Contributions link in the interface then it only applies to the wiki you are at. commons:Special:Contributions/Osetnik and commons:Special:ListFiles/Osetnik show the upload. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Cross-language articles with many-to-one correspondence?

Is there a way to report cases where there is one article in one language and two articles in another? The English article dignity links to the German article [de:Würde] (the literal translation), but I think it should link to [de:Menschenwürde] (human dignity, as opposed to dignity for animals, etc.). I've noticed this problem for a few philosophical/religious topics with the boundary-work delineation problem. Is there a particular help page or project I should be viewing? 100.19.66.49 (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. On Wikidata (which is where most interlanguage links are implemented) this is known as the "Bonnie & Clyde problem". The main current approach is explained on d:WD:Sitelinks to redirects. The other approach sometimes used is WP:LOCALLINK ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Formatting a link to an author-published copy of a journal article

Hi, another formatting question here!

I'm citing a journal article from the 1990s that's only available online via a PDF copy uploaded by one of the work's authors. I presume that it's not a copyright violation to link to the PDF version, as the copyright owner is the one who published it there. But how should I format the URL within the journal citation? Should I just include the link in the url value without any additional formatting, or does there need to be some sort of identifier to note that it's not a link to the original publication entity?

Here's the full citation for the article, and the links for the author-uploaded version I've been referencing. Any help is appreciated, and feel free to send me elsewhere if this isn't the right forum. Thanks!

• Kremer, Mark; van Winkel, Camiel (January 1994). "'Metal is a major thing, and a major thing to waste': Interview with Cady Noland". Archis (in Dutch and English) (1). Amsterdam: Netherlands Architecture Institute: 75–80. ISSN 0921-8041. OCLC 13226833.
• Link for the PDF version, freely available via Camiel van Winkel's website.

19h00s (talk) 17:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

There are those who will tell you that interviews are not WP:RS. Is Archis really a scholarly or academic journal? Or is it a magazine or some other kind of periodical? I suspect the latter. So, were I writing a template for that source, I'd likely write:

{{cite interview |interviewer-last=Kremer |interviewer-first=Mark |interviewer-last2=van Winkel |interviewer-first2=Camiel |subject-first=Cady |subject-last=Noland |date=January 1994 |magazine=Archis |issue=1 |pages=75–80 |title=Metaal is iets substantieels, net als de verspilling ervan: Interview met Cady Noland |trans-title=Metal is a major thing, and a major thing to waste: Interview with Cady Noland |url=https://user.fm/files/v2-161a7d7f64c80df65cde1af998fce507/CADYNOLANDINTERVIEW.pdf |oclc=13226833 |language=nl, en}}

Noland, Cady (January 1994). "Metaal is iets substantieels, net als de verspilling ervan: Interview met Cady Noland" [Metal is a major thing, and a major thing to waste: Interview with Cady Noland] (PDF). Archis (Interview) (in Dutch and English). No. 1. Interviewed by Kremer, Mark; van Winkel, Camiel. pp. 75–80. OCLC 13226833.

I left out |issn= because that is a mostly pointless parameter; |location= and |publisher= because periodical citations typically omit them; |via= because the delivery service (https://user.fm/) seems to be just an unnamed dumping ground for files that users don't care to host at their own websites.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, not gonna argue on the RS thread, this source is referenced and cited in at least 5 other reliable, notable publications (ARTnews, Artforum, NYTimes, etc.). I originally read it as an excerpted re-print in a book published by Bard College's Center for Curatorial Studies. I just wanted to be able to correctly attribute the original source, with notes referencing where it was quoted in other sources.

Thank you for answering my question: there is no need to add any additional identifiers for the link hosted on a site that isn't the original publisher. 19h00s (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Banned user just continued editing without being signed-in as an IP

Hello, a recently banned Wikipedia user has started editing again as an IP without signing-in. How can I prevent them from doing-so? MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You can ask an admin to block the IP. Readingpro256 _{talk to me contribs} 20:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

If it's simple vandalism, you can report at WP:AIV. If it's ban evasion but not simple vandalism, then WP:SPI is a more appropriate venue. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a location map like this?

How do I create location maps like this? Do I just cite the source in the photo description when uploaded? or is there anything more I need to know? Ras al Ghoul (talk) 19:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikipedia:Maps for Wikipedia for information on how to do so. Generally speaking, they are locator maps. 2601AC47 (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Ras al Ghoul (talk) 13:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Uploading a picture

I have been attempting to upload a photo I took and it's been over an our and every attempt has been met with failure, I have been using unique names even those recommended and no luck, what can I do? Krys Cee (talk) 20:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Are you receiving a specific error message when this happens? Otherwise it might be hard to say what the exact problem is. See also WP:UPIMAGE.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Krys Cee. It appears from [1] that you tried to use an upload option while editing a page. That method has restrictions. If you will release the photo with a free license and it isn't a photo of a copyrighted work then try uploading at commons:Special:UploadWizard, and insert it in the page later. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Find real full names

Hi, I discovered on Wikipedia that some Indian characters have only initials in their names (for example K. S. Puttaswamy and G. Puttaswamy Gowda)! I can't find their full names anywhere! Where can I find them?! Do you know?! Thank you! 78.211.32.145 (talk) 23:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean these two: K. S. Puttaswamy and G. Puttaswamy Gowda? 2601AC47 (talk) 23:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

These are usually people from the south, especially Tamil Nadu and Karnataka, and often they go exclusively by the initials to the point where there is no way to find their full names. If you can find them, feel free to add them to the articles! Readingpro256 _{talk to me contribs} 00:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Only add the names if you have a published reliable source, and if they are living then see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of personal information and using primary sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC).

I received a time limited email requesting a donation. I was not able to respond during the timed email. Is it possible for you to send it to me again when I have time to respond?

I tried to create am account but was not able to satisfy the info. 2600:8807:40C7:5E00:4599:6A8D:18B6:8089 (talk) 23:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email oversight-llists.wikimedia.org. 2601AC47 (talk) 23:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

This sounds like a scam to me. 331dot (talk) 23:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

If you want to donate, please use https://donate.wikimedia.org, which you can also access through the "Donate" link on the side of the page. That is the only legitimate link for donating to the Wikimedia Foundation. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)