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30 June 2006

  • Correction to the headline of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld: the word illegal is not really appropriate in this context. The word unconstitutional is more appropriate as the special tribunals violated the constitutional separation of powers - not any law. The Geneva convention problems here are areally secondary to the decision.
Correct me if I am wrong, but did the ruling not state that the tribunals are illegal under both US law and international law (the Geneva Convention)? This was not a case about constitutionality; it was simply the Supreme Court looking at whether the sitation conformed to existing US and international law. As such, I think the current wording is fine. Batmanand | Talk 23:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I had originally used the word unconstiutional, before I pressed save, since my non-American understanding is that the Supreme Court rules only the constitutionality of a given law/thing/action. (I could be wrong.) But in any case, the judgement says, on p. 62, that "...the rules specified for Hamdan’s trial are illegal" (and almost the same quote appears in the Syllabus on p. 5). -Splash - tk 00:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

29 June 2006

28 June 2006

It's pretty much all over the news in Europe. Intangible 18:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

27 June 2006

The Israeli Army conducts a limited operation in an effort to rescue the abducted Cpl. Gilad Shalit in Gaza. Nrbelex (talk) 00:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

26 June 2006

Can I suggest that we wait for the verdict? Batmanand | Talk 19:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Italians refuse modification in constitution with referendum."no" beats "yes" aprox. 61% to 38%, thus keeping the text unchanged.The Northern league had announced retirement from the centre-right opposition coalition if reform was defeated. MEP Francesco Speroni(northern league)says "italians suck". Votes of italians living abroad still to be counted. [1] this could have been a big change in italian's constitution, i guess it could be worth of the main page.
  • The death penalty is abolished in the Philippines. There is no article on Capital punishment in the Philippines yet, but there probably should be.
 
Marí Alkatiri

25 June 2006

24 June 2006

23 June 2006

 
I really question whether this is a story of international importance or interest, in the spirit of the ITN guidelines. It doesn't seem to be listed on the BBC (International template) at all, not only on the headlines page but also on the specific Americas and Asia-Pacific sub-sections. I can't find it on CNN or Reuters either. It seems like this 'international importance' criterion really is very inconsistently invoked, to be frank. Badgerpatrol 03:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just being a mirror of the international press is not a part of the ITN guidelines. I can't see how these huge wargames in the Pacific are objectively not of international importance; not only is this something of a landmark in Sino-American relations, it also occurs in the context of heightened North Korean tension with the US and Japan. Perhaps the press is just not as interested in military affairs not involving actual conflict, but this has been on CNN at least.--Pharos 15:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a cynic might question exactly why the Chinese observers were invited and thus to what extent this really represents a landmark in Sino-American relations. It isn't Nixon in China. The only objective metric of a story's international importance is the amount of attention paid to it by international news organisations (emphatically NOT the same as Wikipedia being a mirror of international press)- this particular item aroused virtually no interest at all, so far as I can tell. Too many of these items are slipping into ITN; we either need to change the rules for inclusion, or start sticking to them consistently. Currently the criteria are much too nebulous and are applied much too arbitrarily. The more I think about it, the more I think ITN is in need of a serious overhaul. Badgerpatrol 18:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

22 June 2006

I'm not sure that is entirely true... Batmanand | Talk 09:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There, I've updated this story with the appropriate links to the document and the Senator who declassified the intelligence. Now get over your bias that Bush lied to go into Iraq and publish this MAJOR news story! Rapierian | Talk 2:35,22 June 2006 (EST)
Minor edit, including link to Santorum's press release Rapierian | Talk 2:38,22 June 2006 (EST)
I do not have an anti-Bush bias, but I think it would be fair to mention two things. One is that all the weapons found are thought to be pre-1991 production WMD. The second is that none of them would have been capable of being used as battlefield weapons. But if others think this is a "MAJOR" news story, go ahead and post it. Batmanand | Talk 20:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see it as being a major story. --Golbez 21:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is very big news. - Johntex\talk 02:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It will be big news if/when the verifiable sources include more than a press release. -Fsotrain09 02:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an official statement from Rumsfeld [4] verifying the document. Is that official enough for you when the original document linked off a U.S. Senator's webpage wasn't, or is the NYT the only official source you'll trust? And yes, I realize that these aren't the primary WMDs we listed as one of our reasons for going to war (although they do qualify as part of the cache that was supposed to have been destroyed and we claimed wasn't), and that the mustard gas filled canisters are likely not useable anymore (although the Sarin canisters still probably are). This is still a major major story!Rapierian | Talk 9:20,23 June 2006 (EST)
Thumbs-down here. The Tom 04:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Could be good to put up when announced. --Golbez 15:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Jacques Rogge, President of the IOC, announces that three candidate cities : Sochi, Salzburg and PyeongChang will compete for the honor to organize the 2014 Winter Olympics. Hektor 11:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. Thanks. --Golbez 21:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

21 June 2006

American Airlines flight 1740 Was an MD-80 operated by American Airlines when it was forced to make an emergency landing in Chicago, when the front landing gear failed to extend. It landed with the nose scraping the tarmac, sending a shower of sparks behind it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jam01 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 2006 June 20

The article is paltry and probably would not survive an AfD; no international significance. --Golbez 07:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

20 June 2006

 
Please review the submission guidelines. The Tom 00:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is on the current event page, he corresponding article has been updated, it is of international importance and it is seen as a big set back to the war in Iraq since the death of Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi (of which al-Qaida swore revenge. Articles have been created to take in to consideration the deaths. It has a short headline, and has a useable image.
It is ALL over the news and on the top of the news on Yahoo and MSN. It's not the average story of a roadside bomb death but rather two soldiers that were tortured personally by the new head of al-Qaida since Al-Zarqawi was killed. Plus it would be a nice change of pace from all the sports stories.Dark jedi requiem 06:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
 
This is still essentially a human interest story, not something of broader military significance. Yes, it is big in the news cycle, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news source.--Pharos 20:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is the topic article updated? -Fsotrain09 21:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - it is a brand new article. Also, see the PD photo of the aircraft carrier available to illustrate the item. Johntex\talk 22:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even look, Fsotrain? --Golbez 23:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This entry is good to use, if I am reading the guidelines correctly. I am hesitant to add it myself since it is a partial self-nom. Please note that this exercise continues through 23 June 2006. Johntex\talk 02:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
...and additional PD images are available here and on commons. Johntex\talk 02:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 19, 2006

 
Stanley Cup

June 18, 2006

Posted. --Aude (talk | contribs) 00:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 17, 2006

"The Islamic Courts Union of Somalia captures the town of Jowhar from the secular militias who had taken it after their loss of Mogadishu to the Islamic Courts Union."

The warlords held Jowhar [5] long before they lost Mogadishu. Suggeste reword to:

"The Islamic Courts Union of Somalia captures the town of Jowhar from the secular militias who had retreated there after their loss of Mogadishu to the Islamic Courts Union." AndrewRT 155.202.254.82 11:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 15, 2006

June 14, 2006

Golbez 06:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

      • I think that a simple statement of facts should suffice. They raided the farm; there's no hint to good or bad there. FBI goes on "drug raids" all the time, with little connotation either way. We had a bit about Canadians and a counter-terrorism raid awhile ago, too. We could change that word maybe? We could try to work "eviction" into there, but that doesn't really cover it, or the actions taken.   Canæn   06:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Actually, "drug raid" does give context. "raid" does not. Perhaps if it said "LAPD evict squatters" or perhaps "trespassers". And the Toronto terrorism thing was a bit more major than Darryl Hannah in a tree. --Golbez 07:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, I find both "Tresspassers" and "squatters" to be extremely bias. It takes a stand on the situation. The law is not always a neutral body. We must not take a stance, simply give information. I wasn't trying to say anything about the torronto terrorism thing; simply trying to give context for the word. Would "LAPD evicts occupants" be better? Personally, I think it's fine to say they raided the place. Farmers are still there, afterall.   Canæn   05:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 12, 2006

 
Flag of Albania
  • Albania officially signed a Stabilisation and Association Agreement with the EU today, thus completing the first major step towards joining the bloc.

The agreement was signed at 12:40pm CET during an EC summit in Luxembourg between the Albanian Prime Minister Sali Berisha, Austrian Foreign Minister Ursula Plassnik, and the rest of the EU member states' Foreign Ministers. VOA

June 11, 2006

  • Asafa Powell of Jamaica equals his own world record for the 100m sprint at Gateshead. Powell ran it in 9.77 seconds at a legal windpeed of +1.5. This increases the fastest ever result in Britain by 0.12s.
    • Tying his own record is not news. Breaking his record is news. --Golbez 20:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK. How about: Asafa Powell of Jamaica equals his own world record for the 100m sprint at Gateshead Stadium, a supposedly impossible feat, as the stadium is thought to be too far north and too cold. Powell ran it in 9.77 seconds at a legal windpeed of +1.5. This record is shared by American sprinter Justin Gatlin. This increases the fastest ever result in Britain by 0.12s. -- Macphisto12 (original submitter). 22:30, 11 June 2006.
  • Scientists in Greece announce to have revealed more than 1000 previously hidden ancient Greek letters on the Antikythera mechanism, thought to be one of the world's first known analog computers.
    • ITN already contains an item on the Antikythera mechanism. Are you asking that the statement be rephrased? AmiDaniel (talk) 07:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I dont think they announced they now think it is a computer.Possibly when asked about the significance of the revealed characters, they hinted at ascertaining the function of the Antikythera mechanism. The theory of the device being a computer is definitely not a new one, something which the main page statement somehow implies.So yes, the title is misleading at the main page, and i think it should be rephrased.
        • Okay, well how about merging the two together? I'm thinking something along the lines of: "Scientists in Greece discover 1,000 previously hidden letters on the 2,000-year-old Antikythera mechanism (pictured), confirming that it is indeed an astronomical calculator." AmiDaniel (talk) 07:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • I like your idea of merging, but the problem is the newly-revealed letters haven't learned us yet anything. Nevertheless, your title is much better compared to the original one or what i wrote at the top. Maybe something like "Scientists in Greece discover previously hidden letters on the 2,000-year-old Antikythera mechanism (pictured), possibly the world's first analog computer."
            • Alright, let's try this: "Scientists in Greece discover many previously hidden letters on the 2,000-year-old Antikythera mechanism (pictured), possibly the world's first analog computer, which may shed new light concerning the purpose of the machine." AmiDaniel (talk) 08:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
              • I erased the "1000" only to make the title sound more mysterious (it's a virtual newspaper after all and we want to "sell")..:) But i'm nitpicking. "Scientists in Greece discover previously hidden letters on the 2,000-year-old Antikythera mechanism (pictured), possibly the world's first analog computer, hoping to shed new light concerning the purpose of the machine.". But I trust your judgment, pick whatever you prefer. By the way, that ITN article you mentioned, any links?Couldn't find it.
                • Okay, I had to draw the line somewhere: "Scientists in Greece discover previously hidden letters on the 2,000-year-old Antikythera mechanism (pictured), possibly the world's first analog computer, which may shed new light concerning the purpose of the machine." I actually wouldn't be shocked if after this lengthy conversation it gets rephrased yet again, but I think this will work for now. WP:ITN is the In the News section of the main page, which I just updated to reflect this discussion here. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 10, 2006

 
Justine Henin-Hardenne
  • Three prisoners commit suicide at Guantanamo Bay detainment camp. (New Zealand Herald), (CNN) & (Reuters) Nil Einne 04:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The update is quite minor. --Golbez 05:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm not proposing it be updated. I'm proposing it be included in the main page, in accordance to the intentions of this page. It is currently not featured on the main page... Nil Einne 05:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • ITN is not used as a news ticker, it's to bring contributors to articles which are being updated to reflect breaking news. This may be appropriate for WikiNews' main page, but I'm not sure it's appropriate for Wikipedia's. AmiDaniel (talk) 05:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes and the Guantanamo Bay article is being updated accordingling. The fact that this update is being included in the introduction for the Guantanamo Bay article indicates that this is quite significant news for the Guantanamo Bay article. The fact that there are various controversial aspects surrounding this such as the suggestion that these suicides were an act of warfare further suggests that this is a significant bit of news which will likely result in significant changes to the Guantanamo Bay article. Note that these are the first suicides in Guantanamo Bay. I think this is already enough to establish that this is going to result in significant changes to the Guantanamo Bay article. The only remaining issue is whether this fulfills the other ITN guidelines. IMHO, it does because it is quite a significant issue viz a viz the controversy surrounding Guantanamo Bay. The deaths seem to fulfill the criteria surrounding deaths. Also, just to clarify, my earlier comments about not proposing may have been confusing to you. My meaning was that I was NOT proposing the listing in the current events be updated. Since my proposal was different from the listing in the current events (at that time) I assumed the person had misunderstood and assumed I was proposing the listing in current events be modified. I have since modified it by myself. Nil Einne 05:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 9, 2006

June 8, 2006

I second the nom. -Fsotrain09 02:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 6, 2006

Halldór Ásgrímsson
Halldór Ásgrímsson
This happened yesterday, but it's still relevant. It's also big enough to be in this section, I believe. —Michiel Sikma, 19:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 5, 2006

June 4, 2006

  • Alan García Pérez is elected in the second round of 2006 Presidential Election.
    • Counting is still underway (this is in Peru, BTW), and we're still in Gore-has-Florida territory, per media coverage. I'd prefer to wait until a final result and until the Czech story has slid a bit, as two elections at once is a bit dicey and it'd be better to see the overlap time minimized. The Tom 04:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Electoral authorities estimated the final results to take a week or so, probably for resolving disputed ballots and getting votes from isolated rural areas. The official count is 91% complete and the difference has been reduced slightly, but García's opponent, Ollanta Humala, already conceded defeat, so maybe the headline should just say that if we don't want to wait for final results. I personally think that a presidential election is always more important than a legislative one, if we have to include just one. --Gabbec 14:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Humala has already conceded the election and congratulated Garcia on his victory. [11]--Jersey Devil 20:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 3, 2006

  • In a special session of parliament, Montenegro will declare its independence from Serbia.
Will declare ? Please wait till it's done, then update the relevant pages, then come back here. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -- 64.229.7.166 15:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's done, updated. --Tone 18:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted until some major websites have the news. It's going to need some time to update all the templates... --Tone 18:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 2, 2006


I'm sorry if I haven't formatted this suggestion very well. I'm still finding my feet here. Procrastinator supreme 11:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you're still finding your feet, well, scroll up and read the guidelines. -- 64.229.204.28 13:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, is the above better? Procrastinator supreme 13:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank you. I like this suggestion (will like it more if it's shorter and wikified), but it's up to the admins. Some admins won't post anything to the ITN unless it's earth-shattering news. Good luck. -- 64.229.207.249 15:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've added this to Current events (see guideline #1) as Female circumcision is found to increase infant mortality and childbirth complications. . I'd embolden the first link for ITN. -- 64.229.207.249 16:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 1, 2006

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